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Apple may release a new 17-inch MacBook Pro in the future when mobile video cards catch up and are able to reproduce 3840x2160 resolutions seamlessly. But a 19-inch MBP is not going to happen!

Yah. 19" is just wishful thinking on my part, but I agree that Apple will probably release a 17" again when a retina display for that size is more feasible. I hope.
 
while i don't actually believe this prediction, if the MBP with optical bay were released with the retina display, i'd be happy. (because i'd remove the useless optical drive and install a mechanical 1tb drive)

on the other hand, if the rMBP is released with a fusion drive option. I will be happy.

if the current status quo remains, i am stuck in the middle with the option of an external drive for the rMBP or lack of retina for cMBP and I will be annoyed.

of course, apple could reduce their cost of RAM and SSD storage prices to retail industry parity. :p yeah, right!

here's hoping for good news... i use my work provided DELL instead of my 2008 MBP these days because using iTunes 11 and Aperture 3 is a frustrating experience even with an SSD.

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if refreshed notebooks remaining exactly the same are to be the highlight of WWDC, should we go ahead and mark down 2013 WWDC as the most uneventful WWDC yet? :p
 
No worries there. There exist so few Macs that even if they all had that tech, it wouldn't really register with any large peripheral manufacturer.

You need not fear that Apple's inclusion or exclusion of any particular tech will move any peripheral markets.

Just look at Firewire, and now Thunderbolt. Apple doesn't really count much.

While this is true, Apple seems to have great influence over the design of the laptops by other manufacturers. So it may count.
 
A lot of what these analysts do reminds me very much of the "cold reading" technique dodgy psychics use. Throw out a prediction, modify it a few weeks or months later, then change it again - basically cover all your bases. When one of your predictions is approximately correct, you can claim you got it right.

Exactly right. I think Nostradamus was their mentor. Just predict enough stuff broadly and you are bound to be right as often as a broken clock.
 
Yes, it would be welcomed... but we don't know if or when. This is complete speculation. I've got photo editing to do today, this week, next month. How long can I wait for a machine that may never materialize? The Apple waiting game is such a waste of time. If computers are a hobby for someone, great, it won't matter when or if the next "revolutionary" or "magical" item comes to fruition. But working pros can't make their buying decisions based on their own personal wish lists. That's a great way to end up with no computer. Ever.

Yes, and that's why most people who use computers to do real work use PCs instead of Macs. The Apple approach is very much towards consumers.

Sure there is! Buy the upgradeable one today. :) I get it. It's all about tradeoffs. If the Retina display is more valuable to you than user-upgradeability, so be it. Decision made. I went the other way: the glare involved with the Retina is a bigger cost than the extra pixels afforded. This was a con, not a pro. Not to mention the screen ghosting. So the new glorious screen was actually strike one. The lack of expandability was strike two. I didn't need a strike three. But if I did, it was the price of the Retinas.

Well, actually, for me, the retina display is a must-have and much more important than any user-upgradeability, as the rMBP already has everything I want in a laptop. So, my decision was already made even before the rMBP was just a mere speculation here at the forums of MacRumors.

But, for those who need user-upgradeability, it's a matter of trade-offs as of today. Everybody knows that Apple will discontinue the cMBP sooner or later. You may not like it, and lots of people seem to hate Apple for that, but Apple will probably do it anyway. So, choosing the cMPB over the rMBP because of its upgradeability is just a temporary solution. You buy a cMBP now, but when you're on the market for your next laptop within a few years from now, when the cMBP is already discontinued, what will it be?

That's why I said there's nothing I can do about it.

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Let me explain then? Beside having Retina and SSD, rMBP IS a lesser machine in some ways. It's an disposable iPad in disguise of a Mac.

  • Pairing retina resolution with midrange GPU like 650M or Intel HD Graphics is not a good decision. You have a good screen but you can't do anything intensive with it either. Sad.
  • You only get expensive or low capacity SSD options instead of cheaper HDD or hybrid solution. Even if you insist pure SSD, it's not really that expensive nowadays. Meanwhile Apple still charges us much more than it should.
  • Onboard, soldered RAM while it's the cheapest and (used to be) easiest way to make your laptop performs a bit better. Not only it shorten the Macbook lifespan, also it requires you to pay (unnecessary) top dollars for RAM sticks from Apple, should you want more.
  • Replace something out of warranty on rMBP is super expensive and uneconomical. You can't even replace the battery or built-in trackpad without buying the whole bottom case, which is unnecessary?

See? .. it's a lesser machine in many ways than cMBP.

Your biggest point is about user-upgradeability. Being user-upgradeability, the cMBP may be updated to feature an HDD, an SSD, a hybrid drive, or even both, if you have a 15-inch cMBP. You may also replace the battery or increase the memory.

You can't do any of these things with the rMBP. It doesn't make it a lesser machine in my view, but this is certainly the biggest point of concern of Apple's users, and they're just right. It's the biggest trade-off when you choose a rMBP.

That only reminds me that we're all at Apple's walled garden, and that we must swallow the closed ecosystem and the impenetrable hardware if we want to benefit from the wonders of it. Kind of selling our souls.

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Have you opened a rMBP up? It's batteries all the way down.

I know that. I also know that Haswell will consume far less battery than Ivy Bridge, so a Haswell-powered rMBP won't need so much battery as the current rMBP.

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Yah. 19" is just wishful thinking on my part, but I agree that Apple will probably release a 17" again when a retina display for that size is more feasible. I hope.

While it's a possibility, I wouldn't count on that.
 
cMBP with retina display, rMBP as MBA Pro. Problem solved.

Yes, and that's why most people who use computers to do real work use PCs instead of Macs. The Apple approach is very much towards consumers.



Well, actually, for me, the retina display is a must-have and much more important than any user-upgradeability, as the rMBP already has everything I want in a laptop. So, my decision was already made even before the rMBP was just a mere speculation here at the forums of MacRumors.

But, for those who need user-upgradeability, it's a matter of trade-offs as of today. Everybody knows that Apple will discontinue the cMBP sooner or later. You may not like it, and lots of people seem to hate Apple for that, but Apple will probably do it anyway. So, choosing the cMPB over the rMBP because of its upgradeability is just a temporary solution. You buy a cMBP now, but when you're on the market for your next laptop within a few years from now, when the cMBP is already discontinued, what will it be?

That's why I said there's nothing I can do about it.

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Your biggest point is about user-upgradeability. Being user-upgradeability, the cMBP may be updated to feature an HDD, an SSD, a hybrid drive, or even both, if you have a 15-inch cMBP. You may also replace the battery or increase the memory.

You can't do any of these things with the rMBP. It doesn't make it a lesser machine in my view, but this is certainly the biggest point of concern of Apple's users, and they're just right. It's the biggest trade-off when you choose a rMBP.

That only reminds me that we're all at Apple's walled garden, and that we must swallow the closed ecosystem and the impenetrable hardware if we want to benefit from the wonders of it. Kind of selling our souls.

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I know that. I also know that Haswell will consume far less battery than Ivy Bridge, so a Haswell-powered rMBP won't need so much battery as the current rMBP.

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While it's a possibility, I wouldn't count on that.
 
Yah. 19" is just wishful thinking on my part, but I agree that Apple will probably release a 17" again when a retina display for that size is more feasible. I hope.

Video cards are not an issue. They can easily drive a 17" retina display. So if Apple decided against it, the tech is not the problem.
 
That doesn't hurt me. But we should look at the big picture, and then it's perhaps not excellent news.

First, if the cMBP is kept in production, that may also mean that Apple will not drop the prices of the rMBP this time. This is bad news for lots of people who wished to have one of these amazing laptops and can't afford them. They'll have to do with a cMPB which is a lesser machine.

Second, it means that less developers will have incentives to design retina-ready applications and webpages.

Third, it's an incentive to keep old technology (such as CDs, DVDs and Ethernet ports) alive.

There's still people who need DVD drivers and Ethernet ports. Well, for those people there are external CD/DVD drivers, and a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter. They're not left out in the rain. It may be inconvenient to carry the Thunderbolt adapter and the external driver together with the rMBP, but the pack is still lighter than a cMBP. And, if prices go down, they may cost about the same too.

The only thing that you could complain is that the rMBP is not user-upgradeable as it has soldered parts. And, indeed, this is a very legitimate complain.

Those of us that use DVD's and Ethernet ports DO NOT WANT ADAPTORS!!!! Is it really that difficult to believe that I want these things built into my laptop? This is where Apple's product line is too narrow. Some users want light and thin, the rest of us work for a living and need a proper work tool. We aren't so bothered about the thickness of our laptops, but not having the right ports (when every other manufacturer has them) is just not on.

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Agree. If these people decided, computers would still use floppy drives. We need to move forward, and obsolete technologies should go.

But anyways, in a few years the cMBP WILL be gone.

Nope, not everyone has the same needs as you. I need onboard ethernet as I use it a lot and adaptors aren't practical, an internal optical disk because I use it and I don't want a glossy screen. Retina might have a higher resolution, etc, but it's effectively a mirror. I want a matt option for retina.
 
I know that. I also know that Haswell will consume far less battery than Ivy Bridge, so a Haswell-powered rMBP won't need so much battery as the current rMBP.

Just to point out that you don't actually know that. You've read Intel's marketing tripe. Intel regularly claims dramatically increased battery life. It is yet to live up to expectations set. To avoid disappointment, expect a modest increase in battery life, akin to processor speed bump. 10%-15%
 
Give me a classic body with retina display. I'm still using those "legacy" ports and the classic is thin enough already. The flexibility of the classic is more valuable to me, and the battery isn't glued in (yuck).

Me too. I want classic ports, an optical drive and an option for matt screen. Is that too much to ask for in a £2k laptop?
 
I work in graphic design and find the opposite is true. My old matte screens used to diffuse reflected light across the whole screen, ruining the entire image. Since I switched to glossy I've noticed a massive improvement. Blacks are actually black instead of the light grey I had before. The subtly and range of tones are considerably better as they aren't hidden behind a mask of defuse light.

That said, I do live in England where our skies are covered in grey clouds for 360 days of the year. :) I imagine if you lived in a hot country, glossy laptop screens wouldn't be very practical.

I'll admit I never worked specifically in graphic design, but I used to do a lot of finishing work (take fpo, put together stuff, match lighting, illustrate shadows where appropriate). Reflections and poor uniformity were the most distracting things, and to me the old imacs were kind of bright. One of the reasons I like Eizo is that they optimize for a lower brightness range, typically 80-120 cd/m2. It's much easier for me to see small changes as small changes that way. It would be different if everything used a higher bit depth rather than relying on dithering. I still need to see the new ones.
 
If apple doesn't announce iOS 7
I will move to android and lose all hope in apple
They have billions and they have no excuses to delay anything. If they disapoint
It's doom for apple

Welcome to the club, you are late to the party my friend. I already am moving to Android right now, for it is the future of mobile.

Apple might get one last boost, when the release there TV, but that's it.

I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the date in my signature marks the beginning of the downfall.
 
Actually I think dedicated graphics is important for a lot of people. If they just kept a similar line-up but added dedicated graphics to their whole range including the 'budget' models, that would boost their popularity massively.

Thousands want separate graphics cards. Millions don't even know what you are talking about and don't care. And many know what you are talking about, and still don't care.
 
If a person in a 'developing country' can afford a MacBook, they can afford an external DVD drive.
 
Thousands want separate graphics cards. Millions don't even know what you are talking about and don't care. And many know what you are talking about, and still don't care.

Thousands are willing to pay for dedicated graphics, while millions just talk crap and usually buy nothing.

No MacBook Pro should be without dedicated graphics; otherwise it shouldn't be called Pro. This was the main feature that marked a difference between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook in the past. MBPs had dedicated graphics and FW800.
 
the retinas just got updated earlier this year so all I'm expecting is maybe another boost in spec, the retina macbooks if you own them you'll know this is the future they're incredible, silent and beasts. My 15" is 16gb 2.6Ghz and the best mac powerbook/macbook I've ever bought.

I think the old macbook pros will be discontinued and the macbook airs bought in as retinas.

SO it will be a Macbook Air retina update and an iPad 5 possibly iPad Mini retina update.

Who is Kuo? seriously anyone can try and predict Apple works.
 
Thousands want separate graphics cards. Millions don't even know what you are talking about and don't care. And many know what you are talking about, and still don't care.

An unfortunate truth.

In all honesty, lack of dedicated graphics probably creates revenue for apple by forcing people to buy a 15" mbp (I know I will next time round)

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Thousands are willing to pay for dedicated graphics, while millions just talk crap and usually buy nothing.

No MacBook Pro should be without dedicated graphics; otherwise it shouldn't be called Pro. This was the main feature that marked a difference between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook in the past. MBPs had dedicated graphics and FW800.

I still can't believe the number of "it shouldn't be called pro" posts I see on here.

1) It's a name, not a qualifiable feature.
2) Whether you like it or not, having pro in the name will make more people want to buy it. I know it's relatively immaterial but given the choice of 2 identical machines, I'd choose the one called pro any day of the week.
 
Well Tim Cook is promising too much, so I will not make any high expectations to myself. I hope the keynote is streamed live or the podcast be available fast on iTunes.

Scott Forstall should make the 3rd coming of Apple, why can he not work with Ive?
 
Why do you need a Retina display?

The "bulky drive" also comes in handy for wedding photographers to burn a video DVD for the newly weds. Perfect.

Nobody is handing you a few grand only to have you palm them their files and digital assets on a cheap USB flashdrive.

Because it's HD. Makes everything look prettier.

I'm sure the "wedding photographers" group will survive. Maybe Apple can send all 8 of them free External superdrives or something?
 
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