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Apple kind of did this to themselves. If they had supported at least some form of RCS so that messages played nice they wouldn't have companies middle manning their iMessage solution - creating risk for their customers.
 
Take that Google.

iMessage doesn't need to go anywhere. Will I buy a "Nothing" phone? No. But this shows that we don't need to listen to Google with their constant pathetic embarrassing crying about Apple not adopting RCS.
Hmm, I mean I feel like if Apple made iMessage open for other platforms to use they'd probably just integrate their chat app with iMessage? I guess we'll probably never know as that will likely never happened though.
 
Take that Google.

iMessage doesn't need to go anywhere. Will I buy a "Nothing" phone? No. But this shows that we don't need to listen to Google with their constant pathetic embarrassing crying about Apple not adopting RCS.
Not sure why you hate RCS so much, it's more secure than regular sms and includes more features when communicating with non iphone users.

There are millions using sms not knowing this on iphones and if Apple's main mantra is security and privacy, forcing it's users to use SMS in Apples messaging app seems a bit counter to that mantra no?
 
The main issue with this, when you login, you're giving a third-party company your Apple ID credentials. And in addition to that, they can see every message you're sending and receiving through their hosted infrastructure which is acting as a man in the middle (MITM) between you and Apple's iMessage service.

It's a massive privacy issue and I don't think the convenience of having iMessage available is worth this security and privacy trade-off.
Microsoft is doing the same for years with your mail account, if you add any non-Microsoft mail account in Outlook for iOS and lately in their new Outlook for Windows:

Microsoft lays hands on login data - Beware of the new Outlook

Same for popular Readdle Spark Mail:

"For services like AOL, Exchange and custom IMAP accounts, this access token is your email login and password."

Everything like this a complete no-go and just a workaround for Apples limitations in Push and not supporting IMAP IDLE in iOS/iPadOS...
 
I really don't understand this whole iMessage thing. Why are americans so obsessed about iMessage? Its not even that good compared to other platforms.
Is it just because US got their texting later than europe so they are still in the 'phase' of enjoying it? I remember the time (20 years ago) when europe was huge on texting and my american friends didn't have it as they were on the 'analog' network whilst europe was on GSM. Maybe that plays a role :)
It has a lot to do with smartphone users in the United States, more often than not (actually I think I read it's between 87% and 93%), will use whatever app originally came with the phone. In the case of iPhone that would be iMessage. This is true of Android users too (in the U.S.).

I'm an "old" and it eludes me as to why anyone cares at all what color the bubble is. I used to have an iPhone. Switched to an Android phone two years ago. I text with the app that came with my OnePlus phone. Everyone I know has an iPhone and uses iMessage. I'm the only green bubble. Don't care in the least. I am able to text anyone, and anyone is able to text me. I can see and reply to any group texts I receive. There are no issues of compatibility. I don't send media in texts so I don't care about that. If someone is going to judge me because of the color of a text bubble then let them have their fun. Clearly they don't have a lot going on in their lives and they need something to focus on.

In their announcement, the CEO of Nothing (Carl) spoke with a tech journalist about why they like the iPhone. One of the things was being able to see people typing. That's kind of stalker-ish behaviour if you ask me, but given how narcissistic everyone seems to be these days I guess seeing that someone is typing back to you is some form of self-validation and that means you judge your worth on getting texts back, especially if you can see the progress of those texts.

If that's what it takes, for those people who place such a high value on these things, to get their jollies, so be it.

That said, I am likely getting a Nothing Phone 2 in the next month or so. I will not be using my apple id with it. I'll use the messaging app that came with the phone or Google's messaging app.

So it goes.
 
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Better question, what android user is going to bother to create an AppleID or they already have an AppleID, surely they have an iPhone?
I use an Android phone and already have an Apple ID. That's because every computer I've ever owned has been a Mac. My current desktops are Macs, my laptop is a MacBook Air, I used to have an iPad, and I have Apple TV (having just ditched Roku). So it's not having an iPhone that necessitates having an Apple ID.
 
Thats crazy, even my grandma which is almost 90 got whatsapp installed and is communicating with us. if 93% of people in US only use what they got then the problem is truly somewhere else.

Also, I don't care about colour of the bubbles. I would care though that I couldn't send media etc. That is the main issue I think.




It has a lot to do with smartphone users in the United States, more often than not (actually I think I read it's between 87% and 93%), will use whatever app originally came with the phone. In the case of iPhone that would be iMessage. This is true of Android users too (in the U.S.).

I'm an "old" and it eludes me as to why anyone cares at all what color the bubble is. I used to have an iPhone. Switched to an Android phone two years ago. I text with the app that came with my OnePlus phone. Everyone I know has an iPhone and uses iMessage. I'm the only green bubble. Don't care in the least. I am able to text anyone, and anyone is able to text me. I can see and reply to any group texts I receive. There are no issues of compatibility. I don't send media in texts so I don't care about that. If someone is going to judge me because of the color of a text bubble then let them have their fun. Clearly they don't have a lot going on in their lives and they need something to focus on.

In their announcement, the CEO of Nothing (Carl) spoke with a tech journalist about why they like the iPhone. One of the things was being able to see people typing. That's kind of stalker-ish behaviour if you ask me, but given how narcissistic everyone seems to be these days I guess seeing that someone is typing back to you is some form of self-validation and that means you judge your worth on getting texts back, especially if you can see the progress of those texts.

If that's what it takes, for those people who place such a high value on these things, to get their jollies, so be it.

That said, I am likely getting a Nothing Phone 2 in the next month or so. I will not be using my apple id with it. I'll use the messaging app that came with the phone or Google's messaging app.

So it goes.
 
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What’s the point of anything if there’s Nothing to chat on about something but a Nothing app ! 🤷‍♀️
 
Unfortunately, I think Apple does need to do something, at least adopt RCS even if it isn't "perfect." They've had their fun, but unless they want iMessage turn into an anchor around iOS like what BBM did to BlackBerry, they need to move on and quit pissing everyone off.

This situation is no longer tenable. Both sides are annoyed.
 
I really don't understand this whole iMessage thing. Why are americans so obsessed about iMessage? Its not even that good compared to other platforms.
Is it just because US got their texting later than europe so they are still in the 'phase' of enjoying it? I remember the time (20 years ago) when europe was huge on texting and my american friends didn't have it as they were on the 'analog' network whilst europe was on GSM. Maybe that plays a role :)
I don't understand why Europeans insist that I sign up for whatsapp and it's hideous UI either but here we are. Imessage is just there. It works automatically. Zero effort.
 
I don't understand why Europeans insist that I sign up for whatsapp and it's hideous UI either but here we are. Imessage is just there. It works automatically. Zero effort.
The effort is you have to buy an iPhone to use it 😆 and once you leave iPhone, your chats go away. At least on WhatsApp, you don't lose your entire chat history when you upgrade a phone...
 
I talked about other message platforms that are open to anyone. Unlike iMessage which is iPhone only.

I do have iPhone but I don't really use iMessage as the experience is not very good compared to the other platforms.


p.s.: are you telling me that you use your phone as is? No installed apps whatsoever? Or are you just pick and choosing your argument?



I don't understand why Europeans insist that I sign up for whatsapp and it's hideous UI either but here we are. Imessage is just there. It works automatically. Zero effort.
 
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Take that Google.

iMessage doesn't need to go anywhere. Will I buy a "Nothing" phone? No. But this shows that we don't need to listen to Google with their constant pathetic embarrassing crying about Apple not adopting RCS.
Yeah Google should do this with their server infrastructure…
 
I doubt Nothing really think this is a long term solution. It's surely a way of adding pressure to the RCS argument. About time the EU stepped in and knocked Apple down a peg - Apple becomes more hypocritical by the day.
 
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Why though? The first thing I do when setup new iPhone is disable iMessage. I dislike being tied to single platform.
 
I talked about other message platforms that are open to anyone. Unlike iMessage which is iPhone only.

I do have iPhone but I don't really use iMessage as the experience is not very good compared to the other platforms.


p.s.: are you telling me that you use your phone as is? No installed apps whatsoever? Or are you just pick and choosing your argument?
The whatsapp experience is fine as long as you don't have to look at it with your eyes 🤮
 
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