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Now that Apple has screwed up the MBP 2016-2018 lines, what do those who have been waiting do?

What would you do?

  • Just buy the maxed MBP2018 even knowing that it has issues

    Votes: 28 19.7%

  • Buy the MBP2018 with just enough specs for 1-2 years use

    Votes: 44 31.0%

  • Leave Apple and choose another manufacturer

    Votes: 42 29.6%

  • Others (details please)

    Votes: 28 19.7%
  • Total voters
    142
kodos said:
Yes, the machine gets really hot on my lap and the fans take forever to kick in and when they do they are louder than my Surface Book 2s.
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I am evaluating the purchase of a base 15" (2018). I am imagining myself coding on the go in a lot of different situations, also with the laptop on my... Lap. Do you think it is not feasible? I have never had a MacBook and I always was under the impression that it is one of the best laptops to use while keeping it on the lap (no overheating, sturdy and screen that doesn't wobble much).

Additionally, I can't stand loud fans that spin very often. I have an Acer that does this and it is very annoying: while the performance aren't that bad (Haswell i7), the fans almost make it sound like it is struggling at every small action I do (open the browser, open a text editor, browsing, etc). It's irritating for me and for the people that are around me.

What can you suggest in my situation? 2018 base 15" costs almost 3000€ where I live and it would be a big expense for me.
 
Wait a little more. The problem now seems eminently solvable in software and/or firmware.
 
tsukeyomi said:
Additionally, I can't stand loud fans that spin very often. I have an Acer that does this and it is very annoying: while the performance aren't that bad (Haswell i7), the fans almost make it sound like it is struggling at every small action I do (open the browser,
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I have had only Mac laptops so I don't know about Acer. However, teh fans on my son's MBP are not very loud. I bought a utility today that allows me to run them at their highest rate and that did not seem loud either.
 
They didn't mess them up, most users do not need a maxed out system. Even those buying the maxed out systems aren't likely to put enough stress on the system doing actual work and not just running benchmark tests, everyone watches some random person on youtube running a benchmark and all of a sudden we're in a doomsday scenario.
 
hajime said:
Wasted so much time on waiting and waiting for over 2.5 years but nothing good comes out from Apple. The MBP2018 has thermal issues and it is not 100% certain that Rev 3 keyboard has no issue after few months of use. What suggestion do you have if I need to buy a laptop this month?
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I thought only the i9 had thermal issues. There's also a fix to the keyboard. Link to this youtube video and fast forward to 4.12.
 
ET iPhone Home said:
I thought only the i9 had thermal issues. There's also a fix to the keyboard. Link to this youtube video and fast forward to 4.12.
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Other users/testers have found throttling on the 2.6ghz models as well. I think the 2.2ghz model is fine, but still can't be in turbo for extended periods. Though, I wouldn't expect most laptops to handle turbo for extended periods.
 
Consider the very real possibility that the next iteration of the Macbook Pro is WORSE.

I'm talking NO physical key keyboard, maybe just a keyscreen with "haptic feedback". Even fewer ports. 4K display, which won't look any better whatsoever, but will drain the battery more. Even thinner, with more throttling. Maybe no discrete GPU at all...

This dawned on me in 2015, that the next iteration would probably be awful. So I bought an absolutely maxed-out 15", and sure enough, Apple did Apple. Great news is, my computer's value is still sky high.

Seriously, just buy now, this may be as good as it's gonna get.
 
If I go for Windows machine, I need to pay about $250 each year to access Illustrator and a Photoshop. If I go for mbp2018 even I don’t like the keyboard, I don’t need to buy software.
 
OTHER: I would not purchase those rMBA2018 even if they were perfects!
Mainly I am contant what I have and don’t trust Apple anymore.
They are making products disposable.
 
I read all these comments THEN went to Apple very own website, and the new MacBook Pro is promoted the be a laptop ahead of time, can perform video editing with a quite keyboard all with eye opting graphic performance.
They also state desktop performance without the desktop.

The conclusion is Apple MacBook Pro is not living up tp the promises on their site, and listed here.
Most of you defended the new MBP by claiming it is not designed for such projects listed, but according to Apple, desktop performance without the desktop!

Obviously if anything negative happens to these annual disposable iPhones, Apple will bend over backwards to solve the issue.

The Apple I know and trusted made computers, very reliable ones.
 
ET iPhone Home said:
Okay thanks, so the 2.3ghz quad core on the new 13" and 2.2ghz on the new 15" six core are both fine?
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That's what seems to be the case. Unless you're doing really heavy processing though, you probably won't need more power on the 15" with 6 cores. I've been looking at similar PC laptops (thin, high performance) and all of them have the same 2.2GHz 6-core chips. The only ones that have more powerful chips have much larger enclosures.

I intend to use virtual machines for my work, so I just need cores and RAM. Unfortunately, that's all expensive in a laptop :)
 
Mac hardware is just a means of accessing MacOS for me. The new MBP's seem fine to me, and I'll happily upgrade from my current MB Air when the time comes without any hesitation. It's not like there are better alternatives in Windows world, because Windows is not something I'm interested in going back to.
 
hajime said:
That is still the best for the 15”. As for the 17”, the 2011 one is the best.
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Funny you guys say this as the 2014 model was the last MBP I used as a primary machine for work. It was terrible, overheated, and ground to a halt.

From what I can see the 2018 is a vast improvement. Each to their own though, which is why we have choices.
 
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My current one is a maxed out 2013 15inch which has worked flawlessly. I love it for its ports/magsafe/physical fn keys/keyboard, etc. But it is five years old now and time to change, though I will also be using my current mbp as long as it works. All my MBP are work laptops, and I dont have to give up my older laptops if I get a new one. I cannot afford to buy them with my own money, too expensive for my pockets.

Even without the throttling issues, I did not like the post 2015 models. I like linux a lot but it is still not good enough for me on a laptop. I cannot make a sudden change now since it will affect my work, so I am sticking to mbp for now and will be getting 15inch/2.2GHz/32GB/1Tb/555X. I will be also getting a T480/T480s which has an awesome set of ports, and see if I can get a good linux setup. If I am happy with linux and the mbp do not improve in my estimation, I will make a full switch to linux.
 
hajime said:
If I go for Windows machine, I need to pay about $250 each year to access Illustrator and a Photoshop. If I go for mbp2018 even I don’t like the keyboard, I don’t need to buy software.
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This kind of thing is actually a concern. I'm leaning heavily to Dell XPS + ubuntu, but the 15" doens't come with it and seem a bit hacky to get ubuntu working and then also certain paid programs I have, have no linux version (hmmm.. I think....off to google!)
 
The Mercurian said:
Article contains only opinions and no proof. Plenty of proof of throttling to be found on macrumours and beyond.
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You must not have read it. The discussion contains direct commentary from vendors of software that was used, which directly supports otherwise.

"Proof" of throttling here? LOL!!!! I've seen no such proof. I've seen allegations and conjecture, but no proof.

EDIT: Ok, that came across more snarky than it should have. I apologize- it's been one of those mornings I could chew down a sequoia and didn't intend to sound as angry as that.
 
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Just get the 2018. I'm doing that. The problem with predicting laptop models (Apple in particular) is you never know what design changes there will be. I mean the 2018 pretty much fixed the issues with the keyboard (for the most part). I would say just get it. I've waited 4 years to finally get a Macbook and all the changes I thought I would get never happened.
 
I also have been 'on the fence' to replace my 2012 15"MBP. Been a Mac user since '07 with the plastic case and core2 duo. Purchased a '15 27" iMac May of '16 because I was concerned of the life of my MBP (still using but showing it's age). Unfortunately the iMac had a fatal flaw this past Valentines Day and repair was 2k (which I decided against). I'm just a light user as in email, FB, lightroom etc., photographer but just for pleasure mostly; sold a few prints. I would think a base MBP would do the trick but upgrade the SSD to at least 1TB. Thoughts?
 
Beachguy said:
You must not have read it. The discussion contains direct commentary from vendors of software that was used, which directly supports otherwise.

"Proof" of throttling here? LOL!!!! I've seen no such proof. I've seen allegations and conjecture, but no proof.

EDIT: Ok, that came across more snarky than it should have. I apologize- it's been one of those mornings I could chew down a sequoia and didn't intend to sound as angry as that.
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Commentary isn't proof. Its opinion without data to back it up. On the flip side we have multiple members here demonstrating throttling (intel power gadget readouts with unstable frequenies) and taking action to fix it leading to 20-25% improvements in benchmark scores:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cooling-solution-for-the-2018-mbp.2128656/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2018-mbp-i9-testing-w-volta-fan-control.2128797/#post-26273958
 
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Sciomar said:
They didn't mess them up, most users do not need a maxed out system. Even those buying the maxed out systems aren't likely to put enough stress on the system doing actual work and not just running benchmark tests, everyone watches some random person on youtube running a benchmark and all of a sudden we're in a doomsday scenario.
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Yep, absolutely no one has computationally heavy workflow's :rolleyes: That's the very purpose of such a highly specified notebook, not looking good with your capochino...

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karanlyons said:
Here are my benchmarks.
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Sorry that multicore score is atrocious, even my 7700HQ notebook manages a constant 700CB...

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