Now the 2.0 jailbreak is out will you?????

[AnonymousOne]

Im considering Jailbreaking, but at the moment its fine. Its just the little things like SMS Tones and Stocks icons etc. that make the JB appealing.
Edit: Anyone know where I can read up about the Pros and Cons of Jailbreaking, the dangers, and if I can restore etc.

 

[SMacDuff]

Already jailbroke my new iPhone 3G! Now the wait for Summerboard and Taskbar Notifier. Dying to get some great themes onto my phone to give it more of a personal feel.

 

[BackFocus]

If the right app comes along in "jailbreak" only form, I'll prolly bite. Qik? YEEEEAH!

 

[Niiro13]

Those who voted that The App Store is the best are out of their mind or have never Jailbroken their phones.

I don't need anything in Installer that I can't already get in App Store (I didn't really like themes, Terminal, etc.).

Have the developers actually updated their applications and Installer to work with 2.0? Otherwise what's the point of the jailbreak?

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Does anyone know if video wallpaper will be available in 2.0? The 3g is my first iphone and i would be willing to JB if I could get this video as my wallpaper.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P3EdtToirCw

 

[.Chris]

Those who voted that The App Store is the best are out of their mind or have never Jailbroken their phones.

I dont get why everyone is so worked up over jail break. it just ruins your phone by removing the goods and adding crap you dont need.

I hope apple will contune making it impossable for compneys to do this sort of thing.

If you wont use half the features then dont get the phone. save money instead of tring to be cool

 

[DaPhatty]

Not until the 3G unlocker is out. I don't care about running non-approved apps on my phone. I just want to be able to use it outside of the US WITHOUT having to pay ridiculous roaming charges. Local SIM card FTW.

 

[Bernie-Mac]

I dont get why everyone is so worked up over jail break. it just ruins your phone by removing the goods and adding crap you dont need.

I hope apple will contune making it impossable for compneys to do this sort of thing.

If you wont use half the features then dont get the phone. save money instead of tring to be cool

Ignorance is bliss i guess

It does not ruin your phone it makes it way better, i hate people who have never even tried jailbreaking but have nothing but bad things to say about it. If anything it makes your iPhone more unique and if in the off chance you have a problem, just restore and its like it just came out of the box

 

[ryanmanu]

Ignorance is bliss i guess

It does not ruin your phone it makes it way better, i hate people who have never even tried jailbreaking but have nothing but bad things to say about it. If anything it makes your iPhone more unique and if in the off chance you have a problem, just restore and its like it just came out of the box

+1, i agree completley, people are afraid of nothing

 

[wonderbread57]

Under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), jailbreaking is illegal. You are making unintended alterations to the binary and the hack required reverse engineering which is also illegal under DMCA. Of course, watching a DVD in Linux was illegal under the DMCA for about the first 10 years of DVD existing, until a legit decoder was released.

Got to love the DMCA!

Here is the part of the law that pertains to software hacks: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html

Suffice it to say "trying out jailbreaking" is not necessarily a carefree decision.

 

[Loonytik]

Jb Ftw

 

[yode]

Under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), jailbreaking is illegal. You are making unintended alterations to the binary and the hack required reverse engineering which is also illegal under DMCA. Of course, watching a DVD in Linux was illegal under the DMCA for about the first 10 years of DVD existing, until a legit decoder was released.

Got to love the DMCA!

Here is the part of the law that pertains to software hacks: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html

Suffice it to say "trying out jailbreaking" is not necessarily a carefree decision.

It is not illegal to jailbreak your own phone. It is YOUR property.
It is like saying it is illegal for someone to customize windows XP to look like mac os, or illegal to customize a PSP's XMB through software hacks.

Also how are people expecting to do MMS, Record video, or customize their wallpaper, icons, and dock without jailbreaking (Don't forget the super duper cool NES emulator)?

 

[littlewaywelt]

Not until the 3G unlocker is out. I don't care about running non-approved apps on my phone. I just want to be able to use it outside of the US WITHOUT having to pay ridiculous roaming charges. Local SIM card FTW.

+1

I miss having custom features like in windows mobile where editing the registry was easy, but what I really want is a gsm phone where I can switch the sim cards out when traveling.

 

[.Chris]

Ignorance is bliss i guess

It does not ruin your phone it makes it way better, i hate people who have never even tried jailbreaking but have nothing but bad things to say about it. If anything it makes your iPhone more unique and if in the off chance you have a problem, just restore and its like it just came out of the box

I Jailed break mt ipod touch and i didnt like what I see. Its stupid people people want to do this rather then asking apple to include a add/remove feature in the iphone. Like if you dont use the cal. notes and stocks, just remove them and free up space.... that would be much better then people "jail breaking it"

+1, i agree completley, people are afraid of nothing

no one is afraid of anything. Some rather have a simpler way instead of downloading spyware

Under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), jailbreaking is illegal. You are making unintended alterations to the binary and the hack required reverse engineering which is also illegal under DMCA. Of course, watching a DVD in Linux was illegal under the DMCA for about the first 10 years of DVD existing, until a legit decoder was released.

Got to love the DMCA!

Here is the part of the law that pertains to software hacks: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html

Suffice it to say "trying out jailbreaking" is not necessarily a carefree decision.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not illegal to jailbreak your own phone. It is YOUR property.
It is like saying it is illegal for someone to customize windows XP to look like mac os, or illegal to customize a PSP's XMB through software hacks.

Also how are people expecting to do MMS, Record video, or customize their wallpaper, icons, and dock without jailbreaking (Don't forget the super duper cool NES emulator)?

calm down kid., thats why you push apple in to adding these features

 

[Bernie-Mac]

Under the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), jailbreaking is illegal. You are making unintended alterations to the binary and the hack required reverse engineering which is also illegal under DMCA. Of course, watching a DVD in Linux was illegal under the DMCA for about the first 10 years of DVD existing, until a legit decoder was released.

Got to love the DMCA!

Here is the part of the law that pertains to software hacks: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html

Suffice it to say "trying out jailbreaking" is not necessarily a carefree decision.

1) It is not illegal, you bought it, its yours. You can do what you like with it. How many people have jailbroken iPhones and how many are fined or sitting in jail? Thought so
2) It is a carefree decision because like I said if you do manage to not follow the easy to read GUI and screw up your phone, plug it into your computer, hit restore in itunes and its good as new. there are only benefits to be had from jailbrekaing but if you guys want to have a boring iPhone be my guest. Ill stick to my unique and custom iPhone thank you very much

 

[Bernie-Mac]

I Jailed break mt ipod touch and i didnt like what I see. Its stupid people people want to do this rather then asking apple to include a add/remove feature in the iphone. Like if you dont use the cal. notes and stocks, just remove them and free up space.... that would be much better then people "jail breaking it"

That isnt the only reason to jailbreak. It isnt even a main reason. And even if it was do you really think Apple is going to allow that? They havent given us MMS, copy/paste, video recording, or a plethora of other things we have asked for, but of course just ask them nicely to delete apps they worked hard on to put on the iPhone just because YOU dont want them. Why wouldnt they say yes?

no one is afraid of anything. Some rather have a simpler way instead of downloading spyware

Have you heard of any spyware being released in the past year that jailbreaking has been going on? Also, the iPhone is running OSX, which doesnt get virus'. Paranoia much?

calm down kid., thats why you push apple in to adding these features

Lol, ok you wait for Apple (if your lucky they'll get implemented in the next gen iPhone). Excuse me while i play NES, record a video, and send an MMS all on my wonderful iPhone. Hold on, whats your number? Ill send you an MMS.....wait, oh nvm.

 

[yode]

I Jailed break mt ipod touch and i didnt like what I see. Its stupid people people want to do this rather then asking apple to include a add/remove feature in the iphone. Like if you dont use the cal. notes and stocks, just remove them and free up space.... that would be much better then people "jail breaking it"



no one is afraid of anything. Some rather have a simpler way instead of downloading spyware



EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!



calm down kid., thats why you push apple in to adding these features

First off, why are you calling me 'kid'. Secondly, MMS will NEVER be added by Apple. Steve Jobs said himself it is an outdated technology, why then would he insist on adding it? Also video game emulators will never be on the App Store, so have fun buying games at 10 dollars a pop.

 

[wonderbread57]

1) It is not illegal, you bought it, its yours. You can do what you like with it. How many people have jailbroken iPhones and how many are fined or sitting in jail? Thought so
2) It is a carefree decision because like I said if you do manage to not follow the easy to read GUI and screw up your phone, plug it into your computer, hit restore in itunes and its good as new. there are only benefits to be had from jailbrekaing but if you guys want to have a boring iPhone be my guest. Ill stick to my unique and custom iPhone thank you very much

What you and the other poster, yode, are arguing is the common wisdom about this sort of thing. You, however, are not arguing what is the law. That is why I included the harvard link to the actual law so you can read it and understand that DMCA in fact DOES make it illegal to do things with "your own" hardware/sfotware. Reverse engineering is illegal. That includes reverse engineering software that you legitimately purchased, even if you do not disseminate the modifications. So, software, modified for your own purpose and using your own hardware is ILLEGAL. Only very particular circumstances allow for lawful reverse-engineering, such as if you have received written consent from the copyright holder and you needed to reverse engineer the software in order to get your software to work with theirs, NOT to cause their software to behave in an unintended way or to break any kind of protections.

Don't let the absence of a high profile conviction fool you, computer crime is being taken very seriously. Apple has the legal right to control what is on their iPhone product, weather you like that idea or not. This allows for very high stakes exclusive contracts, like with AT&T, that would not be possible if jailberaking/unlocking your iPhone was legal, meaning other carriers (T-mobile for instance) could legally jailbreak, unlock and SELL iPhones in their stores. Companies look to capitalize in whatever fashion they can. If companies aren't unlocking iPhones to make more money that's a good indication that it's ILLEGAL.

Sorry to pop your naive legal cherry on this topic but the internet and your computer is not the legal free for all you want it to be.

 

[Bernie-Mac]

What you and the other poster, yode, are arguing is the common wisdom about this sort of thing. You, however, are not arguing what is the law. That is why I included the harvard link to the actual law so you can read it and understand that DMCA in fact DOES make it illegal to do things with "your own" hardware/sfotware. Reverse engineering is illegal. That includes reverse engineering software that you legitimately purchased, even if you do not disseminate the modifications. So, software, modified for your own purpose and using your own hardware is ILLEGAL. Only very particular circumstances allow for lawful reverse-engineering, such as if you have received written consent from the copyright holder and you needed to reverse engineer the software in order to get your software to work with theirs, NOT to cause their software to behave in an unintended way or to break any kind of protections.

Don't let the absence of a high profile conviction fool you, computer crime is being taken very seriously. Apple has the legal right to control what is on their iPhone product, weather you like that idea or not. This allows for very high stakes exclusive contracts, like with AT&T, that would not be possible if jailberaking/unlocking your iPhone was legal, meaning other carriers (T-mobile for instance) could legally jailbreak, unlock and SELL iPhones in their stores. Companies look to capitalize in whatever fashion they can. If companies aren't unlocking iPhones to make more money that's a good indication that it's ILLEGAL.

Sorry to pop your naive legal cherry on this topic but the internet and your computer is not the legal free for all you want it to be.

The fact that you referenced popping another guy's cherry is weird enough but the fact is, it may be illegal but it is just like front license plates on your cars in Las Vegas. Is it illegal to not have them? Yes. Do the cops enforce or even give a damn about it? No. If this is such a heinous crime then Apple would do something about it. The only thing they have done is release new firmwares that break the jailbreak. Have they posted warnings saying you will be punished by law if you do this? No the only thing they warn is that you break your warranty, and the fact that it is illegal, and they can punish people for doing this and they still do not says something. What about all the people on eBay selling unlocked iPhones? Apple should have them all arrested right? I have walked in Apple with a jailbroken iPhone and the employees were more concerned with how awesome it was and how they could do that themselves then calling security and having me arrested. When you have a documented case of someone being arrested or fined for jailbreaking, unlocking, or selling an unlocked iPhone, come back. Until then your argument is not all that valid. So sorry to pop your naive cherry on reality but no one is going to be legally punished for customizing their own iPhone.

 

[yode]

The fact that you referenced popping another guy's cherry is weird enough but the fact is, it may be illegal but it is just like front license plates on your cars in Las Vegas. Is it illegal to not have them? Yes. Do the cops enforce or even give a damn about it? No. If this is such a heinous crime then Apple would do something about it. The only thing they have done is release new firmwares that break the jailbreak. Have they posted warnings saying you will be punished by law if you do this? No the only thing they warn is that you break your warranty, and the fact that it is illegal, and they can punish people for doing this and they still do not says something. What about all the people on eBay selling unlocked iPhones? Apple should have them all arrested right? I have walked in Apple with a jailbroken iPhone and the employees were more concerned with how awesome it was and how they could do that themselves then calling security and having me arrested. When you have a documented case of someone being arrested or fined for jailbreaking, unlocking, or selling an unlocked iPhone, come back. Until then your argument is not all that valid. So sorry to pop your naive cherry on reality but no one is going to be legally punished for customizing their own iPhone.

Thanks Bernie, pretty much said what I would have said in defense to his statement

 

[bradl]

Sorry, Wonderbread, but you're flat wrong.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/reverse

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) generally prohibits circumvention of technological protection measures. On its face, since circumvention is generally required for reverse engineering, this prohibition would prevent reverse engineering of those measures that control access to a copyrighted work. The DMCA contains a limited exception to the ban on circumvention, which permits reverse engineering of the technology by specific classes of people for limited purposes [17 USC §1201(f)]. The exception allows reverse engineering of computer programs if the reverse engineer lawfully obtains the program, seeks permission from the copyright owner, only uses the results of their efforts to create an interoperable computer program and does not publish the results. The resulting program must only interoperate with the reverse engineered software, however, and cannot interoperate with the technologically protected content (movie, book, video game, etc.) itself. Under the DMCA, engineers may also develop programs that facilitate reverse engineering for their own use or the use of others if they meet the above test. Reverse engineers must carefully consider their planned work and whether it fits into the exception, because the exception is far too narrow to be useful for many reverse engineering needs.

If whoever wrote the programs to jailbreak lawfully bought the software (bought the iPhone), created the program (done), does not interoperate eith protected content (book/game/movie/music/etc.), reverse engineering is LEGAL.

For an even bigger example, there were a couple of network drivers that were reverse engineered by developers and put into the Linux kernel. Because of them going into the kernel and the kernel being GPL'ed, the reverse engineered drivers had to be GPL'ed. Did the manufacturer of the hardware use the DMCA to take down the drivers? Of course not! they couldn't, because the DMCA couldn't hold up to the GPL in court. So the hardware vendor started to help out and provide the actual specs on the hardware so proper drivers could be made. In 2004, there were approx. 5 - 7 reverse engineered drivers in the kernel source. Now: 1.

So you may want to worry about your own legal cherry getting pwned before going off about someone else's naivety.

BL.

 

[Bernie-Mac]

Thanks Bernie, pretty much said what I would have said in defense to his statement

No problem

 

[wonderbread57]

Sorry, Wonderbread, but you're flat wrong.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/reverse



If whoever wrote the programs to jailbreak lawfully bought the software (bought the iPhone), created the program (done), does not interoperate eith protected content (book/game/movie/music/etc.), reverse engineering is LEGAL.

So you may want to worry about your own legal cherry getting pwned before going off about someone else's naivety.

BL.

Did you even read the stuff you pasted?

"The exception allows reverse engineering of computer programs if the reverse engineer lawfully obtains the program, seeks permission from the copyright owner, only uses the results of their efforts to create an interoperable computer program and does not publish the results."

these are AND statements not OR.

Your reading comprehension is lower than a 3rd graders and you pwnd your self pasting that and then completely disregarding what it says.

Anyways, I'm obviously not an agent for Apple working on their behalf. I'm telling you something you don't know

But it seems Ignorance is bliss so I'll leave you to yours.

 

[bradl]

Did you even read the stuff you pasted?

"The exception allows reverse engineering of computer programs if the reverse engineer lawfully obtains the program, seeks permission from the copyright owner, only uses the results of their efforts to create an interoperable computer program and does not publish the results."

Your reading comprehension is lower than a 3rd graders and you pwnd your self pasting that and then completely disregarding what it says.

Anyways, I'm obviously not an agent for Apple working on their behalf. I'm telling you something you don't know

But it seems Ignorance is bliss so I'll leave you to yours.

And how do you know that they didn't seek permission from Apple? I never said that the Jailbreaking program they put out was legit, but defeated your claim that reverse engineering is illegal. Once again, you show your naivety.

BL.

 

[wonderbread57]

And how do you know that they didn't seek permission from Apple? I never said that the Jailbreaking program they put out was legit, but defeated your claim that reverse engineering is illegal. Once again, you show your naivety.

BL.

So your not saying the jailbreak program is legit (see: legal) but somehow you defeated my claim that reverse engineering (which made the jailbreak program not legit/legal) is illegal? No, you didn't defeat anything.

and asking how I know the hackers didn't ask for Apple's permission?
I think you just earned the naivety certificate of authenticity with that question.