Meet some new people. I know quite a few who have switched recently.
if you're going to quote a guy at least give the whole quote and not a sentenence out of context
Meet some new people. I know quite a few who have switched recently.
I'm sure you hear the screams of a thousand Mac users when Windows is installed on a Mac.
Microsoft just counts the money made from the software license and goes on with another day...
I never claimed that the Mac experience was perfect. I did claim that enough Mac users find their imperfect experience better than the imperfect experience they would get from somewhere. At least enough of them do that would want to keep Apple in business.
Apple does move very fast and moves pieces into place long beforehand. It's amusing to see the userbase left behind.I agree. That's why I think it's so interesting that Apple defined their competitors in the iPad announcement as Sony and other portable device makers.
Just like the message that the War of 1812 ended didn't get to Andrew Jackson before he invaded New Orleans, I don't think EITHER side of the Mac/PC war gotten the message that their war is over. The ship has sailed. By just about any measure, Microsoft won. I would even go so far as to say that Apple makes one of the best Windows machines out there.
So Apple is starting a new war, and doing so profitably.
This is a very misleading stat as most all Windows based computers are under 1000.00 dollars.
I would not be reading to much into this one.
keeping believing that if you want but Apple is a software company, the same as Microsoft. The difference is Microsoft choose to license out its software and Apple choose to sell their software with hardware.
Neither one is a hardware company, although Apple is trying to move in that direction with the aquisition of PA Semi, but that is such a recent development that the company culture is still software.
Intel, Cisco, TI, SIIG, Asus, Micron, Samsung, Seimens, etc. those are hardward companies
Do you even try to understand what people are writing? DELL might be in bad shape but it does not mean that all PC companies are. Do you even know that HP makes twice as much profits as Apple? Ignorance is a bliss.
I forgot about Microsoft's record quarter. I remember thinking that people on this site would never mention that since they only visit mac related sites, so wouldn't know about how others are doing. Totally flew over my head when I read someone say that Microsoft is dead.
Last complete fiscal year:
AAPL
Revenue: $40.34B
Gross Profit: $17.22B
EBITDA: $10.00B
HPQ
Revenue: $114.55B
Gross Profit: $27.03B
EBITDA: $15.80B
HP's PSG (Personal Systems Group)
Net Revenue: $35.3B
Earnings from Operations: $1.66B
HP is making money, but it's not from selling PC hardware. And their operating profit margin from PSG is only 4.7%!
Someone at HP headquarters is running numbers on spinning off this division because that can't be good for Return on Investment.
This being business, no CEO wants to be in charge of the most popular company to ever go bankrupt. HP is number 1 in market share but can't use that position to make money. Meanwhile, their partner Microsoft is making record profits.
Why should Apple want to trade places with them again?
This is why people think macs are too expensive, because apple has killed the high end laptop market.
Oh and by the way, the truth is out about windows 7, that little bump MS had is over. Most of the bump was probably just us geeks who bought the OS just to try it anyway. Being completely honest, i heavily prefer vista over windows 7, at this stage vista is much more mature and stable.
Last complete fiscal year:
HP's PSG (Personal Systems Group)
Net Revenue: $35.3B
Earnings from Operations: $1.66B
HP is making money, but it's not from selling PC hardware. And their operating profit margin from PSG is only 4.7%!
Someone at HP headquarters is running numbers on spinning off this division because that can't be good for Return on Investment.
This being business, no CEO wants to be in charge of the most popular company to ever go bankrupt. HP is number 1 in market share but can't use that position to make money. Meanwhile, their partner Microsoft is making record profits.
Why should Apple want to trade places with them again?
I remember when the Apple rep showed up. They never wanted to back down on the price of the hardware in volume. They were happy to give us a discounts on services though. Not that we needed them.HP isn't going to spin off the PC division. along with Dell they make money on the services. they will give you PC's for free or at cost if you sign a contract with them to have them set up by HP.
last year i spent 2 months bargaining with HP for a $80,000 purchase. the servers never came down in price because they are already sold at cost. we got a great deal on the storage part and even today the same products cost more than we paid almost a year ago.
Please provide some evidence to back up your statement.
I remember when the Apple rep showed up. They never wanted to back down on the price of the hardware in volume. They were happy to give us a discounts on services though. Not that we needed them.
HP isn't going to spin off the PC division. along with Dell they make money on the services. they will give you PC's for free or at cost if you sign a contract with them to have them set up by HP.
last year i spent 2 months bargaining with HP for a $80,000 purchase. the servers never came down in price because they are already sold at cost. we got a great deal on the storage part and even today the same products cost more than we paid almost a year ago.
We sure as hell didn't. I don't remember anyone using iLife beyond iTunes. Even that's debatable as an iLife application.and i don't think fortune 500 companies care that Mac's come with iLife
Lenovo bought IBM's PC line and got the ThinkPad name. If you buy a ThinkPad or other Lenovo hardware today it has no relation to IBM anymore.Couldn't they spin off to another company with lower ROI requirements and still be able to make those deals? HP doesn't have to OWN the company to do that do they? Does IBM do this with Lenovo? I honestly don't know.
At 4.7%, HP would be better off putting that capital somewhere else.
ast year i spent 2 months bargaining with HP for a $80,000 purchase. the servers never came down in price because they are already sold at cost. we got a great deal on the storage part and even today the same products cost more than we paid almost a year ago.
I'm not sure of HP's printer division is part of the PSG division, but I don't think so. HP makes great printers and that market is not crowded with competitors, however they make such bad quality computers that 24% of them die and go to heaven before they are three years old. That should impact any company's profits greatly.
But you say HP is number one in market share...what market share are you referring to? With which products? And are you referring to U.S. markets or worldwide? I'm not even sure HP is making their own computers, or just slapping their lable on some crap. HP makes great stuff otherwise.
and i don't think fortune 500 companies care that Mac's come with iLife
you need a Mac for iphone development. Apple's market share is either up .1% or it dropped depending on which survey you believe. there is no mass migration to Mac's. I tell people that a low end iMac costs the same as a similar Dell. they don't care since they don't care about the better quality LCD. the regular LCD's are good enough for them
HP PSG does not include Services, Enterprise Storage and
Servers (ESS), HP Software, the Imaging and Printing Group
(IPG), HP Financial Services (HPFS), or Corporate Investments.
All I got from the annual statement was:
"Over the course of the
year, PSG not only reaffirmed its position as the
worldwide leader in PC market share, but also
captured the #1 position in the U.S. enterprise
market with double-digit share gains."
you need a Mac for iphone development. Apple's market share is either up .1% or it dropped depending on which survey you believe. there is no mass migration to Mac's. I tell people that a low end iMac costs the same as a similar Dell. they don't care since they don't care about the better quality LCD. the regular LCD's are good enough for them
HP isn't going to spin off the PC division. along with Dell they make money on the services. they will give you PC's for free or at cost if you sign a contract with them to have them set up by HP.
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I would quite simply stop using a computer at all if Windows were the only solution. Never mind the malware problem (and some idiot upthread was rehashing the old "smaller target" argument! Dear God!) Never mind the pain and suffering of trying to get Windows to work at all. Never mind having to reinstall it monthly, and being told you're trying to pirate it. Never mind any of thatI simply refuse to use an OS that crashes every five minutes. Any of you who claim Windows never crashes for you are quite simply lying. Hitting "control-alt-delete" 100 times a day and starting your work over from scratch is unacceptable. Maybe the kind of hobbyists who build their own computers are willing to put up with it, but most people aren't.