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I don't really think this is how the NSA works. They're monitoring and capturing data as it travels in-between locations. Breaking into individual iPad's isn't going to get them much unless you're a baddie.
 
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If the NSA could not get into everyones iPad they would simply go to Apple who would have little choice but to help. Still betting this would be child's play compared to what they are doing on a daily basis.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the NSA breaking into my house to secretly install a back door to spy on my iPad.

However, the information I post daily to Facebook, or enter into Google's search box, or the traffic information generated from Google Maps, or my web surfing habits from cookie tracking... I would not be surprised at all if all that information is being collected and mined.
 
The NSA will no doubt have a backdoor to everything, whether it be an iPad, a PC, an android tablet or AIX server.
 
I'm not worried about trying to get away with anything illegal as I consider myself a good citizen and a good neighbor. I AM concerned about privacy and the remote "interpretation" of personal information. We all want to be safe, I'm not questioning the government as many have, I'd just like to take reasonable precautions to protect my right to privacy.
 
AK-47. Anthrax. RPG. WMD. suicide vest. Semtex. Allah.

There. That should do it. Now they're monitoring everyone on this forum. :eek:
 
We all want to be safe, I'm not questioning the government as many have, I'd just like to take reasonable precautions to protect my right to privacy.

If you're not questioning the government, then why are you trying to get people to freak out over an alleged NSA backdoor?
 
If you're not questioning the government, then why are you trying to get people to freak out over an alleged NSA backdoor?

What's wrong with questioning your government? Every citizen should question their government, have a natural distrust towards it and things will always work out better. Questioning every law and order and action your government takes leads to not only an educated individual in matters of government but also a government who knows it won't get away with too much.
 
What's wrong with questioning your government? Every citizen should question their government, have a natural distrust towards it and things will always work out better. Questioning every law and order and action your government takes leads to not only an educated individual in matters of government but also a government who knows it won't get away with too much.

Agreed 100%. The problem is we waited to long to question our government and became complacent and while we were not looking, our government elevated themselves way above us. They get better pay, benefits and powers over the public that make them feel superior. In fact they have become superior. Their unions have made it near impossible to fire them and do not require they even perform their job well. Why would we not trust them?

Enjoy!:p
 
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They get better pay, benefits and powers over the public that make them feel superior. In fact they have become superior. Their unions have made it near impossible to fire them and do not require they even perform their job well. Why would we not trust them?

Enjoy!:p

I couldn't disagree more here, I used to work for a govt institution and the pay was way worse than industry jobs of the same type. Once, many years ago, I interviewed for a corporate job and was offered an 80% bump over my university salary for roughly the same job. Granted the job was in a big city vs my small university town, but the cost of living surveys showed similar prices for nearly everything. I turned down that offer because of a family situation and the fact that my inlaws who lived in that same big city had their car stolen and vandalized that same day.

Anyway, not all govt workers are bad employees. I regularly worked 60+ hour weeks and worked with many who were just as dedicated. I also saw in my last position 3 people in a dept of about 20 were fired for poor performance on the job. It took a little longer than in the corporate world, but was not impossible. We don't have a union in my field, and even if we did, the govt institutions in my state aren't obligated to negotiate with them.

Typically, health and retirement benefits are better in govt, that helps offset generally lower pay. But we didn't get annual bonuses or profit sharing or other similar perks. The best perk we got was that we didn't get payed off at the drop of a hat when budgets were cut (usually jobs just wouldn't get refilled if someone left). We found ways to economize that didn't include giving the employees the sack.

Maybe you should be fighting for better benefits for yourself rather than slamming those who you think have better. My opinion is that we are in a race to the bottom regarding the work and pay of the middle class. The govt employees are doing better in that race, because govt generally runs 5years or so behind the pay/benefits of industry. If this trend ever turns around, you can bet govt jobs will be slow to catch up to industry.
 
I couldn't disagree more here, I used to work for a govt institution and the pay was way worse than industry jobs of the same type. Once, many years ago, I interviewed for a corporate job and was offered an 80% bump over my university salary for roughly the same job. Granted the job was in a big city vs my small university town, but the cost of living surveys showed similar prices for nearly everything. I turned down that offer because of a family situation and the fact that my inlaws who lived in that same big city had their car stolen and vandalized that same day.

Anyway, not all govt workers are bad employees. I regularly worked 60+ hour weeks and worked with many who were just as dedicated. I also saw in my last position 3 people in a dept of about 20 were fired for poor performance on the job. It took a little longer than in the corporate world, but was not impossible. We don't have a union in my field, and even if we did, the govt institutions in my state aren't obligated to negotiate with them.

Typically, health and retirement benefits are better in govt, that helps offset generally lower pay. But we didn't get annual bonuses or profit sharing or other similar perks. The best perk we got was that we didn't get payed off at the drop of a hat when budgets were cut (usually jobs just wouldn't get refilled if someone left). We found ways to economize that didn't include giving the employees the sack.

Maybe you should be fighting for better benefits for yourself rather than slamming those who you think have better. My opinion is that we are in a race to the bottom regarding the work and pay of the middle class. The govt employees are doing better in that race, because govt generally runs 5years or so behind the pay/benefits of industry. If this trend ever turns around, you can bet govt jobs will be slow to catch up to industry.

How long ago did you work in the government as it is a well know fact that government jobs pay more for the same position in the private sector.

I guess there are some government employees who do work hard but most are not. Just as an example my office ordered stamps via fax from the postoffice and they would not deliver them after 6 faxes. We called to find out what was wrong and they said that person was on vacation. I asked if maybe someone else could maybe help and take that person jobs and he laughed at me and hung up! This is government mindset!
 
How long ago did you work in the government as it is a well know fact that government jobs pay more for the same position in the private sector.

This is not a well know fact. I've been doing contract work for the government for 10+ years and in almost every case the contractors made more money than their government counterparts. Of course the government employee's enjoy much better job security and quality of life bonuses like really good PTO and sick leave policy.
 
This is not a well know fact. I've been doing contract work for the government for 10+ years and in almost every case the contractors made more money than their government counterparts. Of course the government employee's enjoy much better job security and quality of life bonuses like really good PTO and sick leave policy.

Agreed. In my line of work (engineering industry) for example, contractors and private sector companies definitely pay more than government agencies do.
 
What's wrong with questioning your government?

Nothing. I question them too. But the OP is saying he's NOT doing so and being a good, docile little citizen while at the same time trying to assert that ohnoes! The government sees everything everyone does on their iPads!

So, he's doing two really bad things: Claiming to not question government motives, and grossly over asserting what we know the government is capable of doing on an iPad. What they CAN do is bad enough. Using that already-bad truth to go well into tinfoil hat territory though, opens up the debate to people who will try to do one of two things: use that overreaching paranoia to quash good discussion on what's going on, and/or use the argument to suggest (falsely) that getting a Blackberry/Windows/Android-powered device will put up this magic invisible wall that will better protect them from prying government eyes.

I'm merely asking why he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
 
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Nothing. I question them too. But the OP is saying he's NOT doing so and being a good, docile little citizen while at the same time trying to assert that ohnoes! The government sees everything everyone does on their iPads!

So, he's doing two really bad things: Claiming to not question government motives, and grossly over asserting what we know the government is capable of doing on an iPad. What they CAN do is bad enough. Using that already-bad truth to go well into tinfoil hat territory though, opens up the debate to people who will try to do one of two things: use that overreaching paranoia to quash good discussion on what's going on, and/or use the argument to suggest (falsely) that getting a Blackberry/Windows/Android-powered device will put up this magic invisible wall that will better protect them from prying government eyes.

I'm merely asking why he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth.


I see, my apologies for misunderstanding you.
 
I'm reasonably certain the NSA has no reason to be interested in hacking my iPad
If they do, they will find it quite boring, which would be deterrent enough in itself

Short answer... no, I'm not concerned in the least

Sure, go ahead trust government, people in power never abuse, or covert trusting citizens. They came for the people down the street and I said nothing. They locked up the guy across the street, but he looked and acted strange. My neighbor next door disappeared one day, but he didn't vote the same way I did. One day when they came for me, I tried to tell them I wasn't concerned in the least, as I did nothing wrong.

The founding fathers of this experiment in government recognized that certain fundamental rights must be enforced for all citizens. Any erosions to these constitutional bill of rights, FOR ANY REASON, begins the inexorable path towards repression and totalitarian state control. Privacy, no search and seizure without due process, free speech, free press, all are key elements. History tells me I can not blindly trust anyone in power to keep my interests safe just on their say so.
 
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