Even if it doesn't personally concern you because you don't mind them seeing your data or meta data one should be extremely angry and opposed to the NSA on pure principle alone.
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iPad NSA Backdoor access to iPad?
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Even if it doesn't personally concern you because you don't mind them seeing your data or meta data one should be extremely angry and opposed to the NSA on pure principle alone.
You get it...
To everyone claiming "if you aren't doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about" - I challenge you to say that to any of the 110,000 people of Japanese decent (80% of which were born in the US) who were forcibly rounded up and relocated to "internment" camps in the United States during WWII. Most have died over the years but some, including George Takei (Star Trek's Lt. Sulu), can still speak about it from first hand experience. He wasn't doing anything illegal, he must have made up all the things he said about his family being forced from their home in California and relocated to a tar paper shack without running water.
Or for that matter, ask any of the 11,000 people of German decent who were rounded up and forcibly relocated in the US during WWII. Or the 600,000 Italians in the United States who lost their right to own cameras and firearms and who were required to carry ID cards. None of these people had been convicted of, or even accused of planning a crime against the United States. They were all rounded up (with the assistance of data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau) because of what they MIGHT do.
The United States has come a long way since WWII and I do not expect people to ever be rounded up again based on their ethnicity. But, what if it were possible to identify POTENTIAL "threats" based on their political views or who their known friends are? What if someone could write an algorithm that could calculate a "threat index" based on views a person has expressed in private emails, comments they have made on blogs, and the number of cases of ammunition they have ordered in the past 5 years?
Nope, they haven't broken any laws, they have NOTHING to worry about.
To everyone claiming "if you aren't doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about" - I challenge you to say that to any of the 110,000 people of Japanese decent (80% of which were born in the US) who were forcibly rounded up and relocated to "internment" camps in the United States during WWII. Most have died over the years but some, including George Takei (Star Trek's Lt. Sulu), can still speak about it from first hand experience. He wasn't doing anything illegal, he must have made up all the things he said about his family being forced from their home in California and relocated to a tar paper shack without running water.
Or for that matter, ask any of the 11,000 people of German decent who were rounded up and forcibly relocated in the US during WWII. Or the 600,000 Italians in the United States who lost their right to own cameras and firearms and who were required to carry ID cards. None of these people had been convicted of, or even accused of planning a crime against the United States. They were all rounded up (with the assistance of data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau) because of what they MIGHT do.
The United States has come a long way since WWII and I do not expect people to ever be rounded up again based on their ethnicity. But, what if it were possible to identify POTENTIAL "threats" based on their political views or who their known friends are? What if someone could write an algorithm that could calculate a "threat index" based on views a person has expressed in private emails, comments they have made on blogs, and the number of cases of ammunition they have ordered in the past 5 years?
Nope, they haven't broken any laws, they have NOTHING to worry about.
I seriously hope you're trolling. Who do you think decides who is considered a potential terrorist? Do you honestly think that only wrongdoers will ever be punished or suffer from this?
Oh to be naive. It must be a glorious existence for you.
The Americans of Japanese decent were not terrorists or spys. Yet they lost their jobs, homes, buisinesses and were locked up in camps for years. They were not planning attacks.
I think he might be... If they have access, seems like they can simply -put- something there illegal and then "find" it whenever they wish. Far more efficient than waiting for someone to make an actual mistake.
"Dear Citizen: Nice editorial in Monday's Times, and great rally you led the day after. Odd thing... take a look at your photo stream. Ewww.... You're a dirty boy. BTW, answer your doorbell."
I'm making no assertions, just asking a question in an effort to stimulate conversation on the best way to protect privacy on these new devices.
Is showing respect for your government and still desiring privacy talking out of both sides of my mouth? These notions can be mutually exclusive. Please read more carefully before bashing your fellow forum members and stifling discussion.
Sounds like you meant to say that they don't have to be mutually exclusive (i.e. one can do both).
If you just use your iPad yourself, self contained so to speak. Government doesn't know anything about it. However reach out in any way, internet, text, messaging, skype calls, then you use channels that can and are being watched, recorded, and saved for possible future review. Nothing you can really do on your IPad to secure all this metadata.
Even if, you were to encrypt a text lets just say. Your intended addressee would still be recorded. From what I have read about Snowden's revelations it's these pathways that are being mined.
I'm not plotting anything, but i still do not feel comfortable with unknown people, with unknown agendas knowing every web site i have ever visited. Especially since I had zero input about this being done.
Our bill of rights are being eroded away. You realize habious corpus has been suspended under the Patriot Act (an ironic name for it). It is now legal for you to be arrested, without being told the charge. Taken and detained, no calls, no lawyer, no hearing before a judge and held indefinitely. Think about that.
Even if, you were to encrypt a text lets just say. Your intended addressee would still be recorded. From what I have read about Snowden's revelations it's these pathways that are being mined.
I'm not plotting anything, but i still do not feel comfortable with unknown people, with unknown agendas knowing every web site i have ever visited. Especially since I had zero input about this being done.
Our bill of rights are being eroded away. You realize habious corpus has been suspended under the Patriot Act (an ironic name for it). It is now legal for you to be arrested, without being told the charge. Taken and detained, no calls, no lawyer, no hearing before a judge and held indefinitely. Think about that.
As you've been called to the carpet on by many posters in this thread over, you started with a sensationalist title that asserts, without any evidence, credible or otherwise, that the NSA has systematically implanted a backdoor on the iPad line.
That certainly stimulates discussion all right, but a good portion of it is noise: having to refute speculation presented as fact.
Reasonably protecting privacy on an iPad and similar devices is actually not too hard, but it involves dropping a lot of the common services people frequently use. Dropbox, Google Apps, iCloud, are all out, pretty much; if you use them, you should treat them as non-secure, non-private channels. The same for SMS, instant messaging and e-mail as a whole: most e-mail in particular is sent in the clear, and once it leaves any device you control, the content is now completely out of your control.
Part of the answer is in rolling some of your own solutions: an encrypted VPN on a server you control using keys you've generated yourself (OpenVPN is a good option, among others). A solution like owncloud can also be deployed (again, on hardware you trust and control) to provide "cloud" functionality and document/resource sharing.
That, for now, is the best you can do (hence "reasonable," these measures don't work so well under the "unreasonable" measures taken recently by some government agencies to mine personal data). If that's not enough, then the only option beyond that is to lobby lawmakers to reign in the NSA and similar elements. Their control is tight enough that you're not going to guarantee your privacy without pretty much going off the grid.
When elements of that government are found to be attacking individual privacy, among other constitutional rights, systematically in the name of security, then yes, I firmly believe that to be the case.
It is NOT reasonable, nor does it make sense, to "respect" what the government is currently doing, and then wonder aloud about how the data on your iPad might be leaked to that same government, and complain that you're not getting enough privacy without taking additional measures. It's a lot like a retiree who actively depends on medicare and social security, voting for a tea party candidate who seeks to cut off "entitlements:" the logical fallacy in that is pretty monumental.
I can read fine, thank you. And what discussion am I stifling? You seem to be articulating yourself just fine. If anything, discussion has been dramatically stimulated, and it appears you're the one now trying to quash dissent.
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I am no right winger. Nor am I bleeding heart. And the cautionary tales of rounding up Japanese and Italians and Germans are valid.
Still, I found this fairly compelling...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d51b22-7173-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html
Still, I found this fairly compelling...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d51b22-7173-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html
I must have missed an article. Could you post a link to the evidence that they indeed can cause all I have seen are tin foil type rumors. Especially without having access to the devices. I would be very interested in reading more about this.
Well Tim Cook says there's no backdoor..
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/24/apples-tim-cook-there-is-no-backdoor-the-government-doesnt/
Then again, is there anything that's "secure"? If someone wants to break into something, sooner or later they're gonna find a way in.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/24/apples-tim-cook-there-is-no-backdoor-the-government-doesnt/
Then again, is there anything that's "secure"? If someone wants to break into something, sooner or later they're gonna find a way in.