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iPhone 17 Pro Number of hardware issues on the Pros this year is unacceptable
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Because this is an echo chamber and not a good indication of the quality of the iPhone. It might be worse, it might be nothing. 🤷🏻
I agree it may be worse or it may be nothing, but then just scrap the forum altogether? I mean, since none of us have actually handled every unit of a device, should we abandon discussion because it might mean nothing?
I consider the forums to be an invaluable source of info because other people will have experiences with a device that I can't have until I buy one. Before giving my money, I'd like to see what others have to say. I don't know about you, but if someone says this is the first time their iPhone dropped from waist height while in a case and still chipped, that doesn't fill me with confidence. If you have a 17 Pro, hopefully yours is pristine after 10 drops, but this is the kind of stuff I want to know, even if it is an echo chamber. I wanna know if someone got scuffs and dents very quickly and I want to hear if someone's phone is fine. It helps me make a decision should I consider purchasing one.
And "it's an echo chamber" can be said about every thread of this forum because we as Apple enthusiasts are a very small minority.
Pro Max here and have none of the issues that you are reporting are widespread.
That doesn’t let Apple off the hook.
Quality control of the outsourced manufacturing of components, and final assembly, is the responsibility of Apple.
I don’t see any other logo on the phone other than an Apple.
I didn’t say it should let them off any hook, I was pointing out for those who keep saying Apple made this that or the other mistake that Apple don’t make the mistakes…..their outsourced manufacturers do.
These seem more than minor when you look across the internet. This years phones do seem to be suffering from new build problems in India's production lines compared with Chinas highly polished production lines, probably due to China making iPhones for so many years and having better expertise.
Cutbacks in using cheaper internal components and less precise assembly is bound to occur as India takes over for the US market and QC issues seem more prevalent this year, as I think yields are down but they have sell the products.
I do not remember this many issues last year at all. Also what happened to the "yes I always go naked" phone crowd this year?
I guess QC will get better as India learns precision building techniques, China will be the better build for years to come but not for the US Market as all phones for the US will be built in India for 2026 by Tata.
Forums are good to flag issues, and we should discuss them. I just don't like these individual issues being presented as general facts, when in fact they're not (as far as we can know). If someone has an issue he might post here, and get some 'me too' reactions but the thousands of others that are happy would not.
That's all.
I can't see where we are in disagreement. If people are posting their particular issues as general facts and assuming it affects millions of phones, I missed that part.
I went through a few 16 Pro’s and the only one that had accurate assembly and no cosmetic damage was made in India, the others were made in China, not that this is proof of anything as there were only 4 phones involved in the “study” but the Indian unit was “perfect” and also had a decent screen.
All of the phones (Air and Pro) I’ve received this year (4 & 1) have been made in China and they have all had good assembly quality and no damage but only 1 Air and the first Pro and only Pro had an acceptable screen, the screens however are a lottery, build quality should not be.
Our other 13 pro max does the same. Seems like this been going on and nobody notice.
While I have none of these issues, my 17 Pro Max has some weird battery issues and on a more annoying note, my cellular modem does not work properly. I'm on T-Mobile in the U.S. and they confirmed no account or network issues. I can make normal calls but when I use data for iMessage, FaceTime, Instagram, Uber etc, the internet gets disconnected every 4-5 minutes and reconnects after a minute or I have to toggle Airplane mode on and off.
This is super frustrating when I go for long walks and call my family who live abroad on FaceTime Audio as we can't hear each other every 5 minutes and I have to do this dance again and again. Apple Support ran a bunch of diagnostics and found nothing wrong but resetting network settings did not help, neither did adding the eSIM again.
The battery also drains without much use. It has been 12 days so I'm not sure any other indexing is happening and these issues might be related.
I'm scheduled for a Genius Bar appointment on Saturday and they're giving me a replacement device.
This is super frustrating when I go for long walks and call my family who live abroad on FaceTime Audio as we can't hear each other every 5 minutes and I have to do this dance again and again. Apple Support ran a bunch of diagnostics and found nothing wrong but resetting network settings did not help, neither did adding the eSIM again.
The battery also drains without much use. It has been 12 days so I'm not sure any other indexing is happening and these issues might be related.
I'm scheduled for a Genius Bar appointment on Saturday and they're giving me a replacement device.
Just going to leave this here…
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The 17P barely registers. Discoloration and scratches? iPhone 3G, 5 and 7.
Speaker buzzing? That seems to be an issue that popped up every 2 to 3 years.
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The 17P barely registers. Discoloration and scratches? iPhone 3G, 5 and 7.
Speaker buzzing? That seems to be an issue that popped up every 2 to 3 years.
I personally think this year has been ok for general qc, the screens are as always a crap shoot.
Yes, you missed that part:
The OP first post was
"So far, all the hardware issues known with the 17 Pro series"
which is
"posting their particular issues as general facts."
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But that's not what the OP said and it's not what I said. The OP listed issues they labeled as "known", and if you want to get hung up on their choice of a particular word and your interpretation of it, that's up to you. I don't see any issue with the general tone of the thread / opening post. I took that to mean "these are the issues people are talking about", as in generally / colloquially.
And I said people aren't posting their issues and categorically claiming that a bunch of units are suffering from a hardware defect. If on an Apple-centric forum we aren't supposed to discuss real or potential issues with the new iPhone, which is the quintessential Apple product, then really may as well shut the website down.
The colors of the Pro aluminum body are literally changing on some people’s phones, and the Apple damage control squad in here is still saying this is all a hoax, no facts, these are just your problems, it’s a normal release, nothing is out of the ordinary, etc etc. 😂
Except as my post earlier demonstrated, it literally *is* the norm with iPhones.
Discoloration has been a topic with iPhones going back to the white 3G and 3GS turning yellow.
Keeping in mind all of the previous problematic launches, this one is really a nothing burger.
No serious signal issues (4), no bending of phones (6+), no malfunctioning touchscreens (6+), no random restarts (6S), no random green lines appearing on the screen (X), no major battery life complaints in comparison to the previous (4S).
Just some easily scuffed colors and a bunch of other tiny things that don’t really affect the performance of the phone itself.
Plastic turning yellow is way different than aluminum changing colors, just saying.
Yes, I go naked! 😜 my iPhones are always pristine. I’m very careful with my expensive tech 👍🏻
Your words:
"And I said people aren't posting their issues and categorically claiming that a bunch of units are suffering from a hardware defect."
The OP's words, first post:
"This is a ridiculous level of hardware issues for a Pro phone."
So IMO yes the OP indeed is
"categorically claiming that a bunch of units are suffering from a hardware defect."
At least that is what the words imply to me. We all can of course nitpick words to imply something different. I agree that we should "discuss real or potential issues with the new iPhone," but I will quickly disagree with folks posting implications about hardware that are statistically unproven and unlikely.
Yeah, a bunch of units are suffering hardware defects. That’s not even up for debate, there are people posting their Pro’s color changing. It’s not an opinion or a claim at this point, it is a simple fact that many people are having a wide range of issues.
Not the majority of people, but there’s no requirement for the issues to be massively widespread or huge in numbers for me to say that there are many issues and have it be a fact. I can’t even understand why you would be so stubborn to outright deny the facts here and just say the same thing over and over about the issues not being real.
Are you now going to argue over semantics about what constitutes as “many” or “a bunch”? It’s not necessary.
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MR1: Mine is perfect! 😛
MR2: Mine is perfect! 😛
MR3: Mine is perfect! 😛
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MR1: Mine is perfect! 😛
MR2: Mine is perfect! 😛
MR3: Mine is perfect! 😛
MR4: Prove it, or you're lying! 🫵
MR5: First world problem!
(BTW, mine is perfect! 😝)MR6: With all that's going on in the world, how dare you! 😡 (FWIW, mine is perfect! 🤫)
MR7: They should lock you up! 🚨
OP: 😢
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