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NVIDIA 8800GT Option for Older Mac Pros Soon?

pesos said:
Sorry, but maybe you should actually read what I wrote and take a moment to process it before responding to what you incorrectly think I am arguing. My whole point was that yes, Apple writes these drivers. Why? To avoid the scenario I'm talking about that you run into in the Windoze world. Internalizing this process, however, while continuing to provide a benefit WRT stability, significantly holds them back from having the latest and greatest in hardware (and the accompanying software drivers to push that hardware's performance).
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AFAIK most GPU families have similar internal specifications. So if a 8800GT works there is no real reason why a GTS GTX GS and Ultra wouldn't work. Especially if Apple is using OGL, the hardware is abstracted they aren't writing to the metal (seems to defeat the purpose of using OGL). What is sounds like to me is a firmware (EFI version vs BIOS) problem. Now the interesting thing is blame Nvidia for not making an EFI card. But what people may not realize is only AMD/ATI sells video cards directly. Nvidia only sells the chips. And since Apple is pretty closed in respect to video hardware, 3rd party folks (EVA, XFX, etc) probably don't see a huge source of profit for supporting Macs. It isn't like they could charge more when all it takes is a firmware flash to get the "PC" card working in the Mac. Really the only thing I could think of is disabling stream processors as a means to prevent "PC" cards from being used in the Mac. And all that would do is irritate people even more.

Lets just all sit back and see what happens. I wonder who is actually making the cards for Apple...
 
Well, I think it's fantastic news. I don't mind a few weeks wait now that I know it's on the way. Whatever caused the original confusion, it's reassuring that Apple and Nvidia have proposed a solution.
 
So now that the 8800GT is coming out for my older Mac Pro, who wants to buy my x1900xt? :D

I have a feeling that a bunch of them will be popping up in the sales forums....
 
What pisses me off is that it will undoubtedly cost 25-50% more than a standard, off the shelf 8800GT card. I'll probably end up buying one of those, swapping the EEPROM on it and flashing the Mac ROM on to it.
 
I honestly can't believe that anyone would defend the response that Jobs gave. For an adult, never mind the CEO of a major corporation, to respond to a well-written missive from a customer with the phrase "calm down" is mind-boggling.

I think the man is a genius, but there's no way I can defend his lack of tact and etiquette.
 
Chimpy said:
I honestly can't believe that anyone would defend the response that Jobs gave. For an adult, never mind the CEO of a major corporation, to respond to a well-written missive from a customer with the phrase "calm down" is mind-boggling.

I think the man is a genius, but there's no way I can defend his lack of tact and etiquette.
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You need to calm down. :D

I've never understood the idea, pervasive in America, that the person on the product or service side of a business transaction has to act like an obsequious slave to the person paying money. Any business transaction is a two-way street. Both sides, not just one, need to be happy for the transaction to make sense.

Yes, some product or service providers may find their business improves when they act that way. No, it's not morally required. And, honestly, whether I'm a customer or a provider, I prefer to deal with someone who's blunt but honest and competent than someone whose "tact and etiquette" are terrific but who gets everything wrong or won't ever give a straight answer.
 
The real kicker is if they come out with a compatible upgrade kit in 3 weeks the folks who order the upgrade kit will probably get it before I get my new mac pro with the only BTO as the card. (damn those shipping times!)
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
I'm not sure which category he is in but on this same thread a couple of posts down we have a classic example of the Apple-hater who (bewilderingly) also owns and loves Apple computers.

Here's his post title:

some unsupported hate statements here:

some justification for his own bitching here (and more unsupported hate statements):

now he's mad enough to swear a bit:

the standard "advice":

Notice how he "knows" everything about Apple and what their "true" motivations are? :rolleyes:
Notice how he doesn't ever support any of those statements?

But then he takes the trouble to show off his love for Apple computers in his signature, which contains the usual "I love Apple and here is how big my penis/computer is" stuff at the same time as a direct "f*ck you Apple" kind of statement. So he is proud of his Apple computers, loves them etc. but everything that Apple does (apparently) also sucks? :confused:


three frowny faces no less! :)
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Come on lighten up a little bit. After all, this is a forum open for discussion and opinion.

Of course people love-hate Apple products. Do you love everything that Apple does regardless of it's design, usefulness, and cost?

Everyone has a right to their opinion and that is what makes the discussion interesting. It would be kind of dull to read 1500 posts of ooooh, aaaah, I love my Apple. My Apple is perfect. I would sell my soul for an Apple. SJ is my hero. I dream of Apple. oooh.

Besides you owe the complainers of the world a great deal. If everyone was content with every Apple product there would be no reason to innovate. Apple wouldn't be challenged. The business would get boring, stagnate, and stay the same. Why change if the product suits the needs of every consumer? I for one like to read the differing opinion. Many times it is the opinion of others that helps me to make an unbiased evaluation rather than getting caught up in the RDF which is SJ and Apple.
 
Bababasjd said:
I dont understqand apple charges a premium for old tech. An 8800gt. I have an 8800GTX ULTA OC, that is probably at least 2 times as fast. IS this some sort of joke. The new nvidia are coming out in a couple of weeks and apple users are still stuck with an 8800gt. WOW Apples laptops and imacs are amazing and they are top of the line, same with ipods and iphone (pricey but worth it), but apple always had an issue with their powermac line. I really suggest apple to take some drastic measures. If apple was priced around other ps users with same graphic capabilites then I would buy one but my desktop is as nice and more powerful price per preformance ratio. I mean people wonder why apple only has about 5-6 percent is because of their pricing. Apple has to cut some corners (but not all) so that they can gain more marketshare. If apple stops using xeons and uses core 2 duo that will sahve off about 1000dollars. Then apple will be marketing to the general public and then sales increase. It is really not that hard apple!
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The Geforce 8800 Ultra is at best 20-30 times better than the Geforce 8800GT in most cases. At times they are quite equal in performance.
 
dal20402 said:
You need to calm down. :D

I've never understood the idea, pervasive in America, that the person on the product or service side of a business transaction has to act like an obsequious slave to the person paying money. Any business transaction is a two-way street. Both sides, not just one, need to be happy for the transaction to make sense.

Yes, some product or service providers may find their business improves when they act that way. No, it's not morally required. And, honestly, whether I'm a customer or a provider, I prefer to deal with someone who's blunt but honest and competent than someone whose "tact and etiquette" are terrific but who gets everything wrong or won't ever give a straight answer.
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Very well said.

I suggest you calm down Chimpy.
 
Pressure said:
The Geforce 8800 Ultra is at best 20-30 times better than the Geforce 8800GT in most cases. At times they are quite equal in performance.
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3DMark06 8800 GT 512MB 9648

8800 Ultra 768MB
3DMark score 9648 11611

Mac users know nothing about video cards. What does this mean? This attributes anywhere from 40-110 frampers persecond faster. That is a lot. Please dont make up information just to support macpros ****** preformance. I see why many mac users are "devoted," many of you probably suffer from low selfesteem never had leadership when you were a kid and now for some odd reason are obsessed with Steve Jobs who is just making money off of you. It is kinda of sad, in a way, that many of you do not have lives. I mean these forums are great, but to be obessed with a computer lacking in technology, that is a complete different story. I am not a fan of computers because they are computers. They are not my friends and they are not what I think about everyday. But when I go into these forums I just see people obessed with computers it just feeds their lonliness. People this is a wake up call!
 
hey

What is all this about? I just pruchased the New Mac Pro 2.8 8 core with the nvidia 8800GT, so what your saying is it wont work properly or not at all? WTF? I spent 3500+ on this machine and your saying this now?
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Chimpy said:
I honestly can't believe that anyone would defend the response that Jobs gave. For an adult, never mind the CEO of a major corporation, to respond to a well-written missive from a customer with the phrase "calm down" is mind-boggling.

I think the man is a genius, but there's no way I can defend his lack of tact and etiquette.
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I find it hard to believe that people on here would actually think that Steve Jobs would write that email. First off, the man is an amazing speaker... do you really believe that he would write a sentence like "Everyone knows the issue and it is being worked"? Come on now. That's like short-bus retarded. I'm pretty sure he would throw an "about" and "on" in there... if he would even issue such a short response about a "known issue".

Lord, someone throws up a so-called response from "The Jobs" and everyone just assumes that the poster is telling the truth. :rolleyes:
 
cloudnine said:
I find it hard to believe that people on here would actually think that Steve Jobs would write that email. First off, the man is an amazing speaker... do you really believe that he would write a sentence like "Everyone knows the issue and it is being worked"? Come on now. That's like short-bus retarded. I'm pretty sure he would throw an "about" and "on" in there... if he would even issue such a short response about a "known issue".

Lord, someone throws up a so-called response from "The Jobs" and everyone just assumes that the poster is telling the truth. :rolleyes:
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I'm not surprised at all that any CEO would write that. I work with many chairmen weekly and all of them only use one sentence emails. Direct, to the point, etc... He's not intending to be rude from his email, just clear enough to get across so he can move on to the next email.

I mean, what are you expecting? A nice warm fuzzy keynote in response to every email? Get real. I'm just glad he responded. And if you don't believe he sent the email, read the original thread containing the email for the headers... they are pretty legit.
 
ErikAndre said:
I'm not surprised at all that any CEO would write that. I work with many chairmen weekly and all of them only use one sentence emails. Direct, to the point, etc... He's not intending to be rude from his email, just clear enough to get across so he can move on to the next email.

I mean, what are you expecting? A nice warm fuzzy keynote in response to every email? Get real. I'm just glad he responded. And if you don't believe he sent the email, read the original thread containing the email for the headers... they are pretty legit.
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No, what I expect is that Steve would pass up an email like that in a heartbeat. Oh, another complaining customer... who cares?

And I'm sure we can all fake headers with the best of 'em.

By the way, the original poster's join date is January, 2008. Shocker.
 
cloudnine said:
I find it hard to believe that people on here would actually think that Steve Jobs would write that email. First off, the man is an amazing speaker... do you really believe that he would write a sentence like "Everyone knows the issue and it is being worked"? Come on now. That's like short-bus retarded. I'm pretty sure he would throw an "about" and "on" in there... if he would even issue such a short response about a "known issue".

Lord, someone throws up a so-called response from "The Jobs" and everyone just assumes that the poster is telling the truth. :rolleyes:
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Oh, I agree with you on that - I'd be amazed if that reply really was from Jobs. I was more surprised by those who, thinking that it was real, felt that it was ok for someone to respond in that fashion.

As for the people telling me to calm down, feel free to take your own advice. :) I assure you I'm not worked up, merely surprised that anyone would defend such an abrupt, uncalled-for reply from anyone.
 
cloudnine said:
I find it hard to believe that people on here would actually think that Steve Jobs would write that email. First off, the man is an amazing speaker... do you really believe that he would write a sentence like "Everyone knows the issue and it is being worked"? Come on now. That's like short-bus retarded. I'm pretty sure he would throw an "about" and "on" in there... if he would even issue such a short response about a "known issue".

Lord, someone throws up a so-called response from "The Jobs" and everyone just assumes that the poster is telling the truth. :rolleyes:
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The email response may not have come from Jobs but I wouldn't say that it was out of the question. Jobs and Woz started Apple out of their garage while attending college. Jobs is a business major not an english major.

I am told by some people who have worked close to Jobs that his spelling is horrible as well as his grammar. He is not a writer.

On top of that he has the strangest accent for someone who comes form California.
Haven't you ever noticed how strange he pronounces words like;
jaguar - "jag wire"
automatic - "oat-o-matic"
rag - "reg"
I have no idea where this comes from considering that he grew up in California.
 
I'll go ahead and get my hopes up.. And hold off on buying a new 1900 to replace the out of warranty POS 1900 I have that's been replaced once already and failed yet again.

But I wont hold my breath for too long. ZFS, anyone? Time Machine using (old) airport extremes? Serious product problems which Apple remains silent on for months before addressing.. I don't have much faith in what Apple says and far less faith in what some Nvidia PR person says.

I need a new video card and I'd really like it to be an 8800gt. If the 8800gt doesn't happen and I'm forced to spend $400 on another 1900 it'll be the last apple product I ever buy.

UD.
 
ariza910 said:
What's with all the hostility lately toward Apple? Is it that Apple isn't doing a good enough job explaining these things or are people out for blood?

This 8800 video card -> Apple and Nvidia still working on the software for it - it just came out a few weeks ago!

iPod Touch $20 upgrade -> the $20 probably went to pay for that Skyhook service part of the Google maps

Non-removable Mac Air battery -> replacement is as easy as removing a few screws. Laptop probably had to be designed that way to get it so slim.


I am trying to give Apple the benefit of the doubt here instead of thinking there is this mass conspiracy by Apple to screw all its loyal users. What do you guys think?

Oh and where is the angry letter from the user? I would like to see what ticked Steve off enough to shoot out that response/
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I think that apple is charging $20 for the ipod touch upgrade because they are testing the effectiveness of distributing software through itunes. This may lead to apps running offline on iphones and ipod touches if it's successful.
 
On apple's website it says there are 4 PCI express slots. Does that mean I can hook up 4 graphic cards to that bad boy? Or would that just be kinda crazy.
 
AppleNewton said:
does this mean a universal card? so say i purchase one for my 2.66ghz 2007 MacPro-Quad and i decide later down the road i want to get a new MacPro-Octo. could i swap between them?

thanks! =)


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? any chance these will be compatible with both the older macpros (Quad) and the newer MacPro Octos?


:apple:
 
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