Express card video solutions as well as sony's solution aren't very powerful - nothing like the cards that are currently embedded.
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Express card video solutions as well as sony's solution aren't very powerful - nothing like the cards that are currently embedded.
Here's what I got from reading this thread, people want:
Thinner MBP
Retina Display
Dedicated GPU
Unlikely that we'll get from Apple the first two without the third. But it's also unlikely that they'll be able to put a dedicated GPU capable of running a retina display in a thinner package due to thermal dynamics (I could be wrong). There has to be compromise somewhere. Apple could also release a thinner model with integrated graphics only. As much as I'd like to see all three of these in the next update (thinner matters least to me) if Apple plans on going integrated only, which I doubt they would ever do for the 15" and 17" models, then we are going to have some pretty serious performance drawbacks that would make many people on this forum very unhappy.
Thinner MBP
Retina Display
Dedicated GPU
Unlikely that we'll get from Apple the first two without the third. But it's also unlikely that they'll be able to put a dedicated GPU capable of running a retina display in a thinner package due to thermal dynamics (I could be wrong). There has to be compromise somewhere. Apple could also release a thinner model with integrated graphics only. As much as I'd like to see all three of these in the next update (thinner matters least to me) if Apple plans on going integrated only, which I doubt they would ever do for the 15" and 17" models, then we are going to have some pretty serious performance drawbacks that would make many people on this forum very unhappy.
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Not so sure it is. For 90% of the usage done on a laptop (presumably, on battery), discrete GPUs kinda suck. They don't play games anywhere near as a desktop, and kill battery, badly.
Ok then, open 30 safari windows and do some expose on a 30-inch cinema display and tell me that runs at a perfect smooth 60fps.
So I guess those engineers at apple lied to me when they said its just bunch of opengl textures"?!? OMG, apple gyped me, they should refund my WWDC ticket!!
I dont like sourcing wikipedia but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Compositor
Quartz Compositor runs using the graphics processor (GPU) by encapsulating each rendered backing store in an OpenGL texture map or surface. The GPU then composes the surfaces and maps to provide the final image, which is delivered to its frame buffer.Quartz Extreme only uses OpenGL commands..."
my main hackintosh machine is Atom 330 cpu with Nvidia ION (9400m) GPU
Everything silky smooth and youtube 1080p full-hd plays smoothly with low CPU usage thanks to Nvidia..
Animations are smooth too. Why wouldn't they be? Animations on OSX are smooth on PowerPC machines and their GPU's are really slow.
And why in the hell someone wants to open 30 safari windows at once? somekind of test? that is no test. That is retarded youtube show-stuff.
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Why would anyone play games on a laptop?
Why dont throw it to the fire, it will burn a little faster.
Everything silky smooth and youtube 1080p full-hd plays smoothly with low CPU usage thanks to Nvidia..
Animations are smooth too. Why wouldn't they be? Animations on OSX are smooth on PowerPC machines and their GPU's are really slow.
And why in the hell someone wants to open 30 safari windows at once? somekind of test? that is no test. That is retarded youtube show-stuff.
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Why would anyone play games on a laptop?
Why dont throw it to the fire, it will burn a little faster.
What do you call not powerful? I have only used the Vidock and I used an ATI 5770. I was able to play all desktop games like Crysis, Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and Dirt. My benchmarks came in almost the same as on the installed on my desktop.
This is with no support or native drivers. Granted a desktop ATI 5770 is not going to win any Benchmark wars but it does better then most mobile GPUs.
I am waiting for the thunderbolt edition which will be much faster. I know Sony's is not very fast but thats because they used a mobile gpu. Mobile gpus are mostly weak and have horrible driver support. Desktop brake-out boxes are the future.
Cool... I'll make sure I consult with you next time I buy a computer since you seem to know exactly what everyone needs.
But it doesn't make graphics chips, they are on the CPU die, which is not the same thing.
i wish this were true..
[not saying it isn't as i don't know... but if a little mba could handle what my 2010 mbp can, i'd pick one up real quick like ...here's to hoping
]I am sorry, but that article is just stupid. Apple has ordered CPUs with 16 shader cores because all fast IB mobile CPUs have 16 shader cores. And anyway, I never heard of an IB CPU with 6 shader cores!? Its 8 or 16, with most mobile CPUS having 16 per default. The integrated HD4000 will be enough for 13" notebooks, the 15" and up will be most surely getting a dedicated GPU. Even if Apple redesigns the MBP to make it thinner, this will most certainly lead to losing the optical drive and the reclaimed space can be used to accomodate the GPU.
So I wouldn't worry. And I certainly wouldn't take anything Charlie writes for truth, he is a known for writing up provocative FUD to boost his website.
So I wouldn't worry. And I certainly wouldn't take anything Charlie writes for truth, he is a known for writing up provocative FUD to boost his website.
When did I claim I was an expert? All I stated was a more than reasonable option I think Apple should provide.
Try editing 4K video and then talk to me about how graphics cards arent important. Editing large image files requires nowhere near the GPU processing power that 4K editing or 3D rendering does.
This story sounds like FUD, think about it - it from Semi-Accurate - it name means that it not accurate information. Semi-Accurate is also know to be pretty much Anti-Intel, Anti-NVidiia and Anti-Apple. Pro-ARM and Pro-AMD.
I believe these are crazy people came up with wild and stupid idea of ARM Based Macbook AIR - That idea alone shows it Anti-Intel and Anti-Apple and Pro-ARM
I believe these are crazy people came up with wild and stupid idea of ARM Based Macbook AIR - That idea alone shows it Anti-Intel and Anti-Apple and Pro-ARM
I know the fanboys are going to rate me down, but this is the Apple of today and tomorrow: now that they hit the mass market of stupid uninformed sheep, they are still going to make you pay a premium prices but without the quality or even the innovation anymore.
I do occasionally game on my MBP (Top end 2011 I7) so the truly awful Intel chipset without discrete graphics would leave me looking elsewhere for a new 17" lappy come update time. I don't think it's likely though..Not worrying about it yet that's for sure...Another year at least before my Pro needs to be replaced.
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That's not a lack of double buffered Window. That's a lack of a Window doing it's redrawing and swapping it's buffer to screen because it is frozen and thus not processing its update message, or any other message in its run loop. You'd know this if you read Petzold and did Win32 programming.
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Yeah, let's also just try to run Crysis on it while we're at it.
Oversimplification of the process for people like visit this forum it seems.
The report is very unclear, I'd assume that Apple will continue with the current set-up. A dedicated graphics chip (from AMD?) on the 15 and 17 inch MBPs along with an integrated Intel graphics to save battery life in less demanding applications and the 13 inch will be left with the integrated graphics only. I just can't see Apple ditching a dedicated graphics card on the MBP. If they did, they call it MacBook Air.
I think what is most interesting about the article is the idea that Apple was planning, or still is planning, or plans to actually put in some of the Macbook Pros, an Ivy Bridge with with half the EUs. (8 vs. 16). The 8 EU GPU would be a custom part, as I believe Intel only offers the full "GT2" on mobile. There is no GT1 for mobile chips.
That's a bit unsettling.
That's a bit unsettling.
Heck I'd like to see the Optimus setup in the Air and in the 13" laptops if anything. But yes, like you, I think this article is a load of crap.
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This.
You have MBA's screen as a tablet and iOS style interface and when you dock it to the keyboard-battery-combo, whoila the OSX Dock appears from the bottom and mouse cursor comes alive, trackpad gestures as usual.
And if they could do all this in purely ARM chips, full blown OSX ARM version such as MS Win8 will be, we could be speaking here about 20+ hours batterylife on a Apple MacBook Transformer ARM
You misunderstand (I goofed though, it's called Optimus, not transformer, so it's my fault), I didn't mean the Asus EEE Pad Transformer, I meant the nVidia GPU technology, where the integrated graphics are used when a task doesn't require access to hardware acceleration and the dedicated card kicks in when an application performs a certain operation.
What the GPU is attached to is immaterial.
Who sells the most GPUs ?
Who generates the most revenue selling GPUs ?
Selling GPUs is a business. Those selling the most ( not the fastest) have leverage.
ATI and NVidia tried to leverage coupling GPUs to memory controllers into dominating the chipset business and selling more GPUs. Intel and AMD absorbed the memory controllers into the CPU die (for additional reasons that have to do with decreasing latency and increasing integration) and took away that leverage ( a happy, for them, side-effect) .
In the distant past, the classic PCI-e slot graphics card was key to the graphics market. That era is over. Embedded, whether integrated into the chipset/CPU packge or inserted directly onto the motherboard , graphics is the dominate market now.
You don't have to be a "fanboy" to rate down such uninformed nonsense. And what a sly trick this is, pre-emptively berating anyone who doesn't agree with you. Doesn't work though. And berating Apple's customers (the "stupid uninformed sheep"). I think there are people who deserve being called "stupid" and "uninformed" a lot more than Apple's customers.