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Not sure why, product revise all the time, go and take a look at the 3Gs FCC files, you will see 3 revisions to the tests. and don't remember any PR mess or any large lawsuits for those...

Exactly. A "lawsuit" because a company keeps improving its products.

Good luck with that.
 
Exact words of Steve

"After september 30th we'll reevaluate our plans. We may have better ideas then"

Guess what? Improved manufacturing process that insulates the steel band. This ain't rocket science!
 
Not sure why, product revise all the time, go and take a look at the 3Gs FCC files, you will see 3 revisions to the tests. and don't remember any PR mess or any large lawsuits for those...

Um, totally different. Those alterations didn't make a significant change in hardware.
 
Why would a September deadline for the cases be significant in this issue then? I'm assuming if there is a fix, they would have to replace all of the already sold iphones correct?
 
Exactly. A "lawsuit" because a company keeps improving its products.

Good luck with that.

Yes fixing a big flaw with the iphone (reception issue is a big flaw for a phone) and not fixing all the other phones will be an easy lawsuit. Didn't apple lose a class action lawsuit on the iPod Nano because it supposedly scratched to easily? If they lost that then they wouldn't have a chance on a real problem like this.
 
Why would a September deadline for the cases be significant in this issue then? I'm assuming if there is a fix, they would have to replace all of the already sold iphones correct?

Exactly.

The September deadline is simply end of the fiscal quarter. These people just don't get it. And never will, apparently, from the number of threads on the subject.
 
If Apple continues to deny there's an issue - there "no" issue. I'm not saying there isn't an issue. Don't misunderstand me.

I konw what you mean but I disagree.

Making a mistake is one thing, everybody makes mistakes.

But lying about and denying an obvious mistake and refusing to correct it is a complete desaster.

Nobody would trust such a company ever again.
 
And tarnish the brand image? :rolleyes:

You are the most annoying troll who ever trolled. What is with the giant fonts?

Reported. Again.


I konw what you mean but I disagree.

Making a mistake is one thing, everybody makes mistakes.

But lying about and denying an obvious mistake and refusing to correct it is a complete desaster.

Nobody would trust such a company ever again.

And releasing a new phone with some miraculous new hardware while three million other people have the original phone would make a company really trustworthy in the eyes of the public? Think about it. It isn't going to happen.
 
So basically if we accept the free case were accepting the phone has a fault and we have to keep them that way and cant demand a replacement in September

I would say probably yes.

Like in the press conference antennagate song:

"If you bought one and you don't like it - bring it back!
Bring it back, bring it back to the Apple store!"
 
Not sure why, product revise all the time, go and take a look at the 3Gs FCC files, you will see 3 revisions to the tests. and don't remember any PR mess or any large lawsuits for those...

the 3G didn't have any bad press around any issue and there wasn't a press conference stating that there were no design issues. And unless you know what and why those changes were made to the 3G - you don't have a leg to stand on. The changes could have had NO effect on how the phone operated or functioned.

But again - it's about the first issue. The 3G wasn't in the media for a defect that Apple denied it having. BIG difference

So basically if we accept the free case were accepting the phone has a fault and we have to keep them that way and cant demand a replacement in September

No. Accepting the case does not excuse Apple legally from anything. I checked the App and the related TOS - they didn't state that the accepting of the free case excuses them from anything legally.

So in other words - they gave out free cases without any strings attached. So they are still liable for anything moving forward.
 
So basically if we accept the free case were accepting the phone has a fault and we have to keep them that way and cant demand a replacement in September

No. There were no terms to accepting the free case. They can't decide that without letting the consumer knowing. Come on, guys.
 
If Apple continues to deny there's an issue - there "no" issue. I'm not saying there isn't an issue. Don't misunderstand me.

What I'm saying is - If Apple says there's no issue. And they do not change the phone. The phone is the phone is the phone. Defect or not. They've endured the worst of the press they can get for now.

*IF* they change the iPhone 4 design - they will enter themselves into an even bigger crapstorm with PR than even before. They will also be admitting to the public that they lied and that there's been an issue all along. "Political Suicide"
The cost of keeping things status quo at this point would be cheaper than the alternative. Better to have the iPhone 4 sell like crazy and be considered flawed than go through the legal and public opinion battle by changing it.

The time to change the design has passed. If they had any intention it would have been before the press conference and/or announced at the press conference before they presented "facts" that disputed any design flaw.

But again - if it helps you sleep at night - feel free to think the iPhone 4 design will change.

come again? :D
 
I would say probably yes.

Like in the press conference antennagate song:

"If you bought one and you don't like it - bring it back!
Bring it back, bring it back to the Apple store!"

Sorry "newbie" - what you think and what the law dictates are two different things. Apple didn't require anyone to sign anything excusing them from legal recourse.

Apple is still on the hook. Which is why a fix now would be several steps backwards and a HUGE PR nightmare.

FYI - I've worked in PR and Marketing for over 20 years. I'm not "guessing"
 
I have a feeling that early adopters are gonna be enraged in october.. :D

Um, troll? We'll still be under warranty. We can go in and exchange the phone in this pretend world where they release a new iPhone in October. Hahaha. Unbelievable.

Do you have a job? You appear to have nothing else to do besides troll.

And I have a feeling that new owners in October are going to be disappointed.

I know. And we'll laugh and laugh and laugh.
 
the 3G didn't have any bad press around any issue and there wasn't a press conference stating that there were no design issues. And unless you know what and why those changes were made to the 3G - you don't have a leg to stand on. The changes could have had NO effect on how the phone operated or functioned.

But again - it's about the first issue. The 3G wasn't in the media for a defect that Apple denied it having. BIG difference
.

you said it yourself, those documents are public, I (and anyone who can read) know what and why those changes where made, if you check them out, you will see that the second revision was made to "improve RSSI (signal strength issue). The fact that the there was not bad press it is not Apples faults since it've been proven that the 3gs is also suffering from similar issue (on different location).
 
lol some of them already are, seems a few people in here are about to blow a fuse :eek:

Because we choose not to live in an imaginary world where they are going to release a new iPhone in October? Darling, that doesn't mean anyone is blowing a fuse. :rolleyes:
 
Sorry "newbie" - what you think and what the law dictates are two different things. Apple didn't require anyone to sign anything excusing them from legal recourse.

Apple is still on the hook. Which is why a fix now would be several steps backwards and a HUGE PR nightmare.

FYI - I've worked in PR and Marketing for over 20 years. I'm not "guessing"

Sorry "oldie", do you really think you are entitled to an improved version of a product in any way? Products are being constantly improved without former coustomers being entitled to get the improved version for free.

If you don't return your device this means you're happy with it.

So live with it.
 
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