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Nope, when I see a PC box opened and see the ugly tangle of wires going everywhere , the cheap and nasty metalwork holding the drives in place as well as the ugly outsides, I feel put off too, and so do the people I support , they appreciate the aesthetics because thats how they try and work too, create stuff that is snot only functional, but is "Nice".
You don't have much experience with custom built PCs then.

Its like there are left and right handed people, the other side simply can not understand how they others can do anything, because when they try it feels "wrong"
Your lack of experience in the matter is what I'm questioning.


Who opened the school gates so early?

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Charming.
 
I still think you're narrow in view. And right now - there are billions of dollars in play that illustrate the commitment that the industry is spending on VR (and AR).

Google glasses is a POC that will grow into its own - whether it's commercially or in the business sector. You say 3D printing will be something we couldn't imagine living without. Pretty sure VR and AR are up there too. What's the timeframe? I can't tell you. But it's not a "fad."

Oh I can see uses in Industry where safety is an issue, medicine, remote sensing and other areas, but for home use, not so much. Success is never been based on how much money people spend on R&D, its all about does it fill/create a NEED (not just a want), hence the failure of 3d TV, and even movies, most of those I watch I go to the 2D version, because the 3D can detract from the story.
 
Abso-abso-LUTELY! :)

Who wants to wander around pretend "wurldz" shooting things? I've got a creative, inquisitive mind, not a destructive, passive one. PAYING to have some game corporation suck your life away from you as you fester in your chair? Erm, no thanks.

The trouble with the internet, and written/typed messages in general is that it can be difficult to detect sarcasm. I'm assuming this post was sarcastic? Because such an assumptious, self congratulatory post must be in jest, surely?
 
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Oh I can see uses in Industry where safety is an issue, medicine, remote sensing and other areas, but for home use, not so much. Success is never been based on how much money people spend on R&D, its all about does it fill/create a NEED (not just a want), hence the failure of 3d TV, and even movies, most of those I watch I go to the 2D version, because the 3D can detract from the story.

Sadly they don't push it hard enough there where it could be beneficial. it's about playing freaking games and more idiocracy lunacy where gaming has become a lifestyle. The misuse of tech is mind-blowing, as well as the hyperbole with every tech release as well. Nvidia's upcoming presser where they are coming after that 970 and 980ti to get that yearly upgrade (Apple isn't alone in this stuff) will nearly sound as if they found the pascal tech on mars. Until next year, then the year after. I suppose Neptune tech is out there.
 
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The trouble with the internet, and written/typed messages in general is that it can be difficult to detect sarcasm. I'm assuming this post was sarcastic? Because such an assumptious, self congratulatory post must be in jest, surely?

I was being serious. I don't post sarcasm if I can withold it.
 
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one day mac users, this can be you.

again, another pudgy white guy with bad taste in clothes......
 
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That myth has been perpetuated for decades. Yes, you "can" "upgrade" a PC. Problem is, once you choose the high-end graphics card you need, you find that it is only compatible with motherboard X, which only works with RAM at the latest speeds, etc. etc. I used PCs and Macs simultaneously for years, and NEVER upgraded a PC. By the time you need to upgrade the CPU or motherboard or hard drive or RAM, etc, it's time for a whole new machine.

Pretty sure high end graphic cars stipl use PCI Express 16x slot and it work with pretty much any board that has PCIE 16x... I can literally upgrade my acient Nvidia 590 with newer graphic card and not change my entire setup. I still have Intel Core i5 2300 and 16GB DDR 3... Any newer card will work with my motherboard just fine.
 
You are really nice to people that happen to have different interests than yourself.

Just wow. o_O
The way the past couple of pages in this thread have gone, it will probably be closed soon. I'm about to stop coming to this site. You can never really have a good conversation on the topic without people going crazy.
 
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I love how people that don't want to purchase the device are condescending to those that do.

You're right, I was condescending. I can see how people are excited about something new, we all have been at more time or another. I think this particular thing is still in it's infancy, and I'm not sure why people want to spend $1500 on a toy that has yet to prove itself. I'm fine gaming on a 250 dollar ps4.
 
Point is you can upgrade your pc.
Some can be upgraded, yes. Not all. This is still a niche problem. But Oculus is correct to point out that most if not all Macs aren't spec'd to run their gear. Unless Oculus becomes especially successful, this won't be an impetus for Apple to bump up its Graphics support.
 
The way the past couple of pages in this thread have gone, it will probably be closed soon. I'm about to stop coming to this site. You can never really have a good conversation on the topic without people going crazy.

not yourself Ohio, but people start the poop flinging and hyperbole so early that why not have a go and talk back at them. The whole thread was trash from page 1. I'm just adding to the trash. I would love meaningful convos on the net, but that ship sailed as far back as 2005 I hate to say.

Yes you can't upgrade a mac, we GET it. No whining will change it, move on to a custom PC and be happy with t.

The iMac melts and doesnt have console power... it's false but hyperbole away people. It plays games just fine (27 inch) not like a 970 obviously but pretty good.

It seems as if people know what they want so go and do it already. They won't do that, they want to troll and I will troll, others will troll, I will call them geeks and nerds and tell them that girl on twitch that they jerk it to won't touch them, which is true, but they probably send her money which is her main goal as playing the idiots for suckers. This era wants to be all sensitive and hug a tree, I say bring the hate from the 90's back and the attitude. We need a large dose of it.

Yes MKBHD and techies on youtube has such an amazing witty personalities. Move over Howard Stern

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You're right, I was condescending. I can see how people are excited about something new, we all have been at more time or another. I think this particular thing is still in it's infancy, and I'm not sure why people want to spend $1500 on a toy that has yet to prove itself. I'm fine gaming on a 250 dollar ps4.

Fair enough. It's the reason I didn't buy a Gen 1 Apple Watch. And likely won't for awhile. I'm fine with my LG G watch that is synced with my Note 5 (instead of my iPhone obviously). It was $80 on groupon and does all I need and more. On the flip side - I love my Gear VR and now my Ricoh Theta S 360 camera which I can use to shoot immersive photos and videos. Although the videos aren't remotely close to the quality they need to be yet in terms of resolution.
 
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You're right, I was condescending. I can see how people are excited about something new, we all have been at more time or another. I think this particular thing is still in it's infancy, and I'm not sure why people want to spend $1500 on a toy that has yet to prove itself. I'm fine gaming on a 250 dollar ps4.
Right now it's not for everybody, but I've been wanting VR since before the virtual boy. My current system met the specs so I figured why not. I've always been one to jump on 1st gen items. iPhone, iPad, AW, always pre order the newest game console even though in 6 months the thin version come out for less.
 
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You're right, I was condescending. I can see how people are excited about something new, we all have been at more time or another. I think this particular thing is still in it's infancy, and I'm not sure why people want to spend $1500 on a toy that has yet to prove itself. I'm fine gaming on a 250 dollar ps4.
Well ... 600 bucks for the Oculus. It's pretty expensive for those that don't already have the hardware for it. For those that do the purchase would make more sense. The price will come down in future iterations I'm sure (I hope).
 
You don't have much experience with custom built PCs then.


Your lack of experience in the matter is what I'm questioning.



Charming.

Been using computers since the TRS-80 model 1 and have been upgrading them in one form or another since then.
I am a service engineer for Scientific Equipment, so I see a LOT of ugly.
Its why I design my own PCBs for small jobs rather than use Veroboard.

Computers are a tool, like a screwdriver , it needs to do the job and feel "right" at the same time. That is why I buy expensive but good tools because they work they way I want, they last and the feel "right" when using them.

I have 2 Mac Mini's at home acting a servers, they are compact, but do their job well
I have a 27" iMac that I do CAD work on, Video editing, the screen size is brilliant and there is no ugly box sitting anywhere taking up space making Fan noise.
and I have my 15" MBP that goes to work with me daily, has done so for 3+ years, its been around the world with me 3 times and it just keeps on going on and still looks almost new (quality backpack !).
And I have another mac mini that acts as the front end to my USB logic analyser, programmer for the Arduinos and EPROM programmer.

All of them work in relatively tight spaces, but dont look out of place , there is aesthetics in their design that makes them look like the should be there.

I work with PCs at work, install cards in them for instrument controllers, and compared to the Mac Pro on my desk, they are just ugly.
 
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I imagine, with realism, that many upon this thread somewhat resemble this.

I imagine you're pretty condescending. So everyone who is interested in VR and the future of the technology is overweight and sits around in the parents basement?

If you truly believe that, I find that incredibly sad.
 
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Been using computers since the TRS-80 model 1 and have been upgrading them in one form or another since then.
I am a service engineer for Scientific Equipment, so I see a LOT of ugly.
Its why I design my own PCBs for small jobs rather than use Veroboard.

Computers are a tool, like a screwdriver , it needs to do the job and feel "right" at the same time. That is why I buy expensive but good tools because they work they way I want, they last and the feel "right" when using them.

I have 2 Mac Mini's at home acting a servers, they are compact, but do their job well
I have a 27" iMac that I do CAD work on, Video editing, the screen size is brilliant and there is no ugly box sitting anywhere taking up space making Fan noise.
and I have my 15" MBP that goes to work with me daily, has done so for 3+ years, its been around the world with me 3 times and it just keeps on going on and still looks almost new (quality backpack !).
And I have another mac mini that acts as the front end to my USB logic analyser, programmer for the Arduinos and EPROM programmer.

All of them work in relatively tight spaces, but dont look out of place , there is aesthetics in their design that makes them look like the should be there.

I work with PCs at work, install cards in them for instrument controllers, and compared to the Mac Pro on my desk, they are just ugly.


Yes.

Hackintosh = using a screwdriver as a chisel, or hammering a screw into wood instead of screwing it in. Using something NOT as it was intended. I can't imagine this person is old enough to know what a trash 80 is ;)
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I imagine you're pretty condescending. So everyone who is interested in VR and the future of the technology is overweight and sits around in the parents basement?

If you truly believe that, I find that incredibly sad.

Oh come on, lighten up - this is not aimed at anyone except for those who will out themselves, by reply.
 
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Realise this: YOU enjoy building "custom" PCs and installing Mac OS X on them; great. Building a PC from off-the-shelf "components" (actually, more like LEGO blocks - you didn't design the PCB, lay out the tracks, etch it, tin it, solder paste, populate and solder it yourself - any half competent "engineer" ( :rolleyes: :D ) can plug together some cards, turn off the apt UEFI options and install Mac OS X, then faff around with kernel extensions. You speak as if you've just discovered nano technology and built a working nano mechanism on a substrate... whereas, ALL YOU HAVE DONE is hack together a bunch of known-good plug-together "building blocks" by following online tutorials from "hackintosh" sites, tried different settings and crossed your fingers until it worked - BELIEVE ME - I HAVE BEEN THERE - it's no fun, and I thoroughly hope not to EVER do it again, because, ya know, life's just too short for all that CRAP, and I like GOOD DESIGN, you know?

No one cares what "custom" garbage hardware you've put in your "custom" case (did you MAKE the case, too?)

Please, stop assuming you're the core of all earthly knowledge, learn some humilty, and go play with your DUPLO.

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What on earth are you talking about? That entire rant was literally for nothing. Did you build the Mac you're using? No, you didn't. What's the point you are trying to make? The custom "garbage" hardware? You mean the same exact garbage that goes into a Mac? Macs don't use magical fairy unicorn hardware. They're PCs too. They are not magically different they just have Apple's design aesthetic. All that stuff on the inside is the same. I really have no idea where you got this idea that I claimed to be all-knowing, but people bashing an entire community of people based on sheer ignorance, I felt I had to chime in. Really though, I haven't had this good of a laugh in some time. Thank you.
 
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Computers are a tool, like a screwdriver , it needs to do the job and feel "right" at the same time. That is why I buy expensive but good tools because they work they way I want, they last and the feel "right" when using them.
This

It's why I went with a PC for gaming, but for my home server I went with the Mac Mini.
 
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What on earth are you talking about? That entire rant was literally for nothing. Did you build the Mac you're using? No, you didn't. What's the point you are trying to make? The custom "garbage" hardware? You mean the same exact garbage that goes into a Mac? Macs don't use magical fairy unicorn hardware. They're PCs too. They are not magically different they just have Apple's design aesthetic. All that stuff on the inside is the same. I really have no idea where you got this idea that I claimed to be all-knowing, but people bashing an entire community of people based on sheer ignorance, I felt I had to chime in. Really though, I haven't had this good of a laugh in some time. Thank you.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."

Benjamin Franklin
 
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