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Originally posted by MacSlut
Hey...I've been trying to figure this out for a long time now. What exactly is "registry haystacking"?
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-MacSlut

I know Huked answered it here, but I though I'd post my reply...

When you buy a new PC, it's as fast as it can be, and as you add programs, delete apps and utilities, and make performance adjustments to the system, entries and changes are made to your registry. What should happen is that the registry adjusts perfectly to what you are doing, and be representative of your machine's program state at any given time. Unfortunately, developers can write sloppy <installshield> code to manage this, unfortunately, it's very common to be sloppy, MS is even guilty of this.

So what happens is your registry eventually gets filled with processes - things for the computer to pay attention to that may no longer exist on the computer. It's analogous with we humans holding open the fridge door and forgetting what we're there to get.

Now multiply that by several hundred fridges, and you see that'll slow you machine down. These are called "defunct processes".

<Another would be like a single street with thousands of side streets ending in cul-de-sacs - awful waste of pavement.>

I think the word "haystacking" comes from what such a polluted registry looks like. A bunch of straw lying in every which way - chaos.

Now, PC's are subject to spyware that happily installs itself in your registry and you are soon dealing with an explosion of hay- and it's not even the cause of the user!
 
Macs faster than the fastest PCs? Tear PCs apart? To this, I have to say Bull Dookie. 3.06 P4 is not the fastest PC processor, beyond the fact that they have dual processor Xeons as well. Furthermore, according to what I read about processor design, the 970 is still not as good at hard number crunching (it has no clear advantages like it does with floating point, so raw speed matters more here), and as long as the mhz is so much lower than Wintels, this will probably remain true. Faster than most consumer PCs? Possibly. The fastest personal computer period? Nah.

That power mac image that everybody saw on Apple's store page...don't trust it for a second. Certain hardware updates in that image simply aren't feasible at all, insofar as they would hold no real benefit (not that it was much different when Apple announced DDR in their computers, but in that case it wasn't such new technology that there were no products to take advantage of it). Apple doesn't do that stuff; they still like to lag behind in hardware advancement. Serial ATA, PCI-X, Dual 2ghz G5s? Unless it's not the 970, I doubt it.
 
Originally posted by form
they still like to lag behind in hardware advancement.
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-form

I'm not sure how to react to this, but I think the closest is disbelief.

You are correct in that a company will lag behind in certain areas of personal computing. There is no manufacturer of hardware or software that has the latest - state-of-the art stuff. Apple tried this with ADB, the 25-pin monitor cable and all of the old legacy ports.

To have the most bleeding edge in anything, is a risk - is it going to become an accepted standard? If this bleeding edge stuff winds up being left behind, it can be called proprietary.

Well Apple has backed off of this philosophy a little bit. They however have lead the Personal Computing industry in hardware and software designs since the beginning - with them introducing the first personal computer.

Other items of note that Apple gave us (by introduction or invention)
The GUI
The mouse
CD ROM Drives
FireWire
First Built-In Video In-Out
First Mainstream Voice Recognition (Standard in OS)
First Personal Digital Assistant (PDA)
First Mainstream/Consumer RISC chipset
First Mainstream Use of Wireless Networking using 802.11 ("b" specifically)
Video Editing Becomes Basic Available Feature
First Built-In Consumer DVD Burning Capability
USB
First Mainstream Use of Wireless Networking using 802.11g

Oh, and the Apple Key (soory, couldn't resist :D )


The last bleeding edge thing they did was the AirPort Extreme - the first Wireless G access point available. Thank goodnees they left it flexible for formal ratification.

Sure Apple has lagged in raw processor speed, but that's not by choice - and that's relatively recent. They were the speed kinds for years leading up to 2000.

With IBMs rapid fabrication plants that rival Intel's. This shortcoming of processor speed will end in a hurry. Perhapse we'll only be pulling even tomorrow, but due to the fact that that would erase three years of lagging - that alone, says a great deal.

Next year, I doubt there will be a doubt that Apple's personal computers are the fastest on the planet.
 
How long a PC lasts you all depends on how well you manage it, I've got a old CTX with a Pentium 150 MHz. a slightly newer HP PC with a Celeron 733 as well as the original Cube and all of these systems are still running nearly as fast as when I first bought them. My HP PC is usually running with only audio, and internet connection processes turned on so it's probably actually running faster than when it first shipped in the stock configuration. Still, it takes a lot more to maintain a pc than a mac, you have to frequently defragment it and make sure nearly all unnecessary threads and processes are turned off which can be time consuming.
 
You Mac owners are hilarious hypocrits.

The whole time that PCs have been faster than Macs, you all say "I don't really care about the speed anyway." and as soon as there's any hint that new Macs might be faster than PCs and you throw a fiesta! :) It's a bit rediculous.
 
Originally posted by Source
You Mac owners are hilarious hypocrits.

The whole time that PCs have been faster than Macs, you all say "I don't really care about the speed anyway." and as soon as there's any hint that new Macs might be faster than PCs and you throw a fiesta! :) It's a bit rediculous.
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I think the fiesta comes from relief. Relief from, hopefully, not having to the same, tired, inaccurate chant "Macs are slow therefore they suck" from Mac haters. Most PC zealots seem overly obsessed w/speed (screw functionality they just want it to be fast :p) and if Macs are as fast, or almost as fast, as PC's then that make most of them ****. ;)

I think we all care about speed, but it's not highest item on our list of what we want in computers. If it was we'd all probably own an x86 machines.


Lethal
 
i agree. it's just their sense of loyalty and pride towards macs and the idea of finally being able to shut up mac haters is what's driving the joy.
 
I have to chime in here too. I've never heard anyone say they "don't care about speed."

But I have heard a lot of Mac users say they'd rather have a computer with a smooth, stable, virtually virus free (Mac user for 15+ years and one single lamo virus that didn't even do anything...12 years ago or so) hardware that doesn't constantly fail (one time having to format my HD in as much time)....basically being able to actually get something done with your computer...is more important than how many games you can play with it.

Speed IS important, and when it belongs to the superior platform, instead of having a win-lose (I have speed but it's Windows/I have a Mac but it's 15% slower) you have a win-win (I have a Mac and it's faster than your WeenieMobile).

Why are you termites flooding the forums right now anyway, don't you have some celebrating of the upcoming Prescotts to do in your own forums instead of wasting our time trying to tell us things we know are not true?

Geez, get a freaking life.
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
ok, we can never have "equivalent" comparisons like we can have amd vs intel. first off, an amd 2400+ is not a 2.4 ghz system.
its actually less (google search for more info on nomenclature). Dont take my words for it- do a simple "mac vs pc search." The results are ugly! secondly, i have quite a bit of experience with macs and have a lot of communication with mac users. Ive worked in agencies and almost all its designers are on macs. I have a lot of friends who use macs. I have 2 macs of my own for christ sakes! Point is, i choose to use a PC because its a better overall machine. PC platform simply has better hardware and better overall software. Im talking "overall" so dont start spewing out "what about itunes?!" etc. etc. This is the reality.
Can you even get a dual optical mouse for the mac? what about a pair of speakers that are a step up from those bland Harmon Kardons? My gf has the subwoofer set and she comes over to my computer when she wants to play music. Btw- you fools dont realize what the analysts are saying/recommending: "apple will benefit by eventually going to an amd/intel chip" -- enough said.
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Jejeje, I'm sorry I haven't posted before Pro, but I went out on vacations. Well, no wonder you have had bad experiences with Macs, you don't even know how plug ----->*A*N*Y*!!!!!<----- USB mouse into the Mac LOL. I won't even comment about the speakers. In contrast to many PC users, who have no clue about Macs, most Mac users have a big understanding on what is going on the PC world. Of course I know about AMD's nomenclature. The upcoming Athlon 64 will only be at 1.8GHz, I believe. They started to use a nomenclature because they could not compete against Intel's high clocks and people's ignorance, so instead of using the clock, they used an equivalent of performance compared to the PIV. The PIV is such a bad performer, in a clock per clock basis, that even tough AMD was producing similar or better performing chips at lower frequencies, people was buying Intel because of the wrong illusion of Speed that raw GHz give.
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
for the record, i was doing some research for my gf because she was fed up having to go on my pc rig applying PS filters/feathering to save time. shes got a dual g4 700 w/ith a gig of ram. i came across article re: NEW POWER MACS.... and she got excited. Shes not much of a hardware/specs person. Thats how i came across this board. Immediately catching my eye was "Macs faster than Pcs" - Macs are MUCH SLOWER than Pcs people. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. of course regulars here responded with everything from better software to apples being equivalent to rolls royces etc etc. Before all you surrealists bring up the "wait till monday" crap- please remember, paper releases are for you suckers to get excited and to start saving your money.
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I don't recall a Dual 700 G4, LOL. Please don't tell me you are making it up! LOL!
Perhaps your GF has a 733 G4, or a dual 800 G4.
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
macs are good looking machines. i prefer alienware rigs but im not even going to get into that.
in any case, is it really worth it to sit there for 2 hours in after effects when you can do it in 1? they better look good because you got all that time just sitting there looking at that status bar!
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Yes, specially their 20 pound red portable, LOL.

J/k Seriously..….I do like their towers, I really think they are serious gaming monsters.
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
I think the fiesta comes from relief. Relief from, hopefully, not having to the same, tired, inaccurate chant "Macs are slow therefore they suck" from Mac haters. Most PC zealots seem overly obsessed w/speed (screw functionality they just want it to be fast :p) and if Macs are as fast, or almost as fast, as PC's then that make most of them ****. ;)

I think we all care about speed, but it's not highest item on our list of what we want in computers. If it was we'd all probably own an x86 machines.


Lethal
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Not me, I already am convinced simplicity of operation, Altivec and RISC make my iMac faster than any PC out there. If you don't believe me, visit

http://forgetcomputers.com/~jdroz/09.html

There is something to be said about having a machine that is easier to use and easier to learn. You get things done faster. That kind of speed can't be measured by the processor speed at all!
 
I'll try to put this as nicely as I can.......that site sucks. It has no real world benchmarks...mearly "MTOPS (Millions of Theoretical Operations Per Second)" which means absolutly nothing, its theoretical. Every benchmark in the world shows that PCs right now are way ahead in Macs in speed for the majority of apps, if you say otherwise....I'm sorry you're wrong. Sure there are some, if I write a program that utilizes Altivec and compile it nice nice and then use some crappy compiler without SSE2 for the P4, then the Mac is gonna be faster. Also about the "Megahertz Myth" on that page, things people always seem to "forget" about in the whole 7 stages vs 21 stages thing is that 1. The P4 is doing its stages a whole lot faster than the G4 is. A 3ghz p4 is doing 3 times the "ticking" of a 1ghz G4 it can clear its pipeline 3 times faster. 21/3 = 7....whoops we forgot to mention that. 2. HyperThreading utilizes the stages of the pipeline in a way to reduce the effect of flushes on the processor. Everybody always leaves out the little things...on both sides.

I have a 3.06 P4 that I have built myself, it never crashes...why? I don't use crap components. I'll also put it up against any G4 out there with confidence that it will spank it. I also own a 600Mhz iBook, which I really really like. The only thing I'd trade it in for is a 15" AlBook. And if the rumors are true, maybe I'll starve myself for a while and buy a G5 desktop, you can never have too many desktops.

I think people need to realize the benefits of both platforms rather than just say "PCs Crash...WinBlowz Sucks"....."Macs are a $3000 lolipop frozen in molasses" When the truth is, the people saying those things have most likely never touched the other platform.
 
Originally posted by ColdZero
I'll try to put this as nicely as I can.......that site sucks. It has no real world benchmarks...mearly "MTOPS (Millions of Theoretical Operations Per Second)" which means absolutly nothing, its theoretical. Every benchmark in the world shows that PCs right now are way ahead in Macs in speed for the majority of apps, if you say otherwise....I'm sorry you're wrong. Sure there are some, if I write a program that utilizes Altivec and compile it nice nice and then use some crappy compiler without SSE2 for the P4, then the Mac is gonna be faster. Also about the "Megahertz Myth" on that page, things people always seem to "forget" about in the whole 7 stages vs 21 stages thing is that 1. The P4 is doing its stages a whole lot faster than the G4 is. A 3ghz p4 is doing 3 times the "ticking" of a 1ghz G4 it can clear its pipeline 3 times faster. 21/3 = 7....whoops we forgot to mention that. 2. HyperThreading utilizes the stages of the pipeline in a way to reduce the effect of flushes on the processor. Everybody always leaves out the little things...on both sides.

I have a 3.06 P4 that I have built myself, it never crashes...why? I don't use crap components. I'll also put it up against any G4 out there with confidence that it will spank it. I also own a 600Mhz iBook, which I really really like. The only thing I'd trade it in for is a 15" AlBook. And if the rumors are true, maybe I'll starve myself for a while and buy a G5 desktop, you can never have too many desktops.

I think people need to realize the benefits of both platforms rather than just say "PCs Crash...WinBlowz Sucks"....."Macs are a $3000 lolipop frozen in molasses" When the truth is, the people saying those things have most likely never touched the other platform.
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you sound just like ipodonly. and that cant be good. we will see how fast that 3.06 is tomorrow if those dual 2ghz come out.

iJon
 
-iJon

Actually ColdZero seems to have some perspective. Blind loyalty never serves evolution - of either platform.

Let's give him some space and see what he can contribute.

Though, I agree with you, with a 2x2ghz G5 would clearly be in the lead...
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-iJon

Actually ColdZero seems to have some perspective. Blind loyalty never serves evolution - of either platform.

Let's give him some space and see what he can contribute.

Though, I agree with you, with a 2x2ghz G5 would clearly be in the lead...
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yeah i do take back what i say, its late and ive been doing stuff all day, so i just skimmed through it and wrote it. then i read it some more and realized what he was saying, and i do agree, but my statement still stands, tomorrow hopefully it will be truth.

iJon
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-iJon

Actually ColdZero seems to have some perspective. Blind loyalty never serves evolution - of either platform.

Let's give him some space and see what he can contribute.

Though, I agree with you, with a 2x2ghz G5 would clearly be in the lead...
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I agree as well. The G4s are good, but for the last 3 years (give or take) we have been behind. I blame it on Moto, but nobody really knows. Oh well, All this will change today. It's just hours away, can't wait.:cool:
 
I know double posts are frowned upon...

... but I feel the need to re-iterate. And no, blind faith isn't a good thing.

Some people like Apples, some people like Wintels. Some people are happy with the computer they have because it does everything they need it to do. Some people are willing to pay more for what they want. Whether you get more, or less, it doesn't matter. I have complained about the speed and cost of Apples in the past. I merely wanted parity.

Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll get my wish.

There will always be people who like Apples, and people who like PCs. Personnaly I use both. I prefer Apple because I do. I don't like Windows, and Linux frustrated me and wasn't worth the trouble. I don't play games. I do web development, audio/video/image editing, etc. Apples are a lot better for this - IN MY OPINION. I want to work on my Apple.

Before you ask, I am proficient in both. I still prefer Apples. You can choose whatever you want, we don't care. It's one thing to b*tch about wanting Apples to be faster, or cheaper, or have more features. But if you come here just to stir up trouble and tell us what you like, you can go away. We come here because we like the Mac OS, and want to know more about it, and what's coming next.

If you don't like it, you don't have to come here.

I for one can't wait for tomorrow. :D
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
for the record, i was doing some research for my gf because she was fed up having to go on my pc rig applying PS filters/feathering to save time. shes got a dual g4 700 w/ith a gig of ram.
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BS, i work on very large files in photoshop with a freaken 400mhz G4, under 512 of ram...with a fast fire wire scratch disk. i can even push the system to manipulate gig files. can you imagine if i had a dual gig system with loaded ram? and i nice fast raid system for a scratch disk? you shouldnt use photoshop in your argument....current macs are fine for gig files and under.
 
Originally posted by beatle888
BS, i work on very large files in photoshop with a freaken 400mhz G4, under 512 of ram...with a fast fire wire scratch disk. i can even push the system to manipulate gig files. can you imagine if i had a dual gig system with loaded ram? and i nice fast raid system for a scratch disk? you shouldnt use photoshop in your argument....current macs are fine for gig files and under.
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haha, he has been banned my friend, but hell, tell it to him anyways, haha.

iJon
 
Originally posted by ipodonly
ok this post is in response to all the idiots claiming "performance" leadership. First off, to the idiot above, anybody who knows anything knows that a well built "home-pc" is better than anything that the big vendors can serve up.
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And you of all should know that a well built operating system made by the greatest vendor of them all is far superior to an operating system that appears home made.

You´re envious. I can tell. Shame you can only afford the iPod.

Sorry - off topic!
 
Originally posted by hvfsl
Although all the programs I need are on the Mac. I prefer Maya to studio max.
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I do, too, personally. It's too bad high-end graphics performance is terrible on the (current) Mac -- let's hope this changes come 10:00 PST. :)
 
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