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I really like the way the new version looks. I have office 365 through my university and I only used it for MS PowerPoint on a Windows VM. I typically use Keynote for presentations but for compatibility of effects and to make sure absolutely no file incompatibilities happened (it was for a final project), I had to use PowerPoint.
Now, since it actually looks good, I installed it in OSX. I'll keep using iWork because I like it better, but now I won't have to start a VM to use a version of MS Office that doesn't look terrible and rely on too many toolboxes.
 
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As much as I’ll buy it at some stage, I can’t believe how bad the pricing is in the UK.
I'll compare against country of origin.

Uk price £229, ($351.18).
Us price $229, (£150.43).

Is there actually a product that exists where the Uk version is cheaper than the US one? The difference can’t be down to just tax?
 
I'm so glad to see that subscription services to software isn't really working to the point where companies are having to revert back to sales.

It's working brilliantly well for Microsoft. Microsoft always said that a standalone version will be available for purchase by the end of the year, so this is not unexpected.

Office 365 has been a huge success.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/21/microsoft_windows_azure_uptake_claim/

Even in early 2014, Office 365 was the "fastest growing business in Microsoft’s history".

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/23/m...1-7b-eps-of-0-61-and-surface-revenue-of-713m/

Over 12.4 million new subscribers by April 2015.

"Rumors of phenomenal Office 365 growth have abounded in recent months, and the numbers are now here to prove it. It’s certainly an impressive achievement: The company is slowly but surely converting its traditionally most lucrative software business into a subscription revenue stream."

I'd say it's doing well, wouldn't you?
 
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I don't mind getting subscription if I'm getting a better value over buying a hard copy.

If I get 1TB of storage vs the 15GB that alone is a big cost savings to me over 3 years or whenever MS updates Office.

I also like editing online and doing collaboration between users.

What worries me is that I have RECENTLY heard horror stories about Microsoft's One Drive completely screwing up people's files, including sharing photos and other PERSONAL documents with STRANGERS! Was just about to add One Drive to my iphone last night, and reading the user reviews saw entry after entry of users saying how it had A) destroyed their libraries, deleting files, B) overwritten backups with the wrong files!, C) Shared personal documents with people entirely unknown to them AND vice versa!, and D) inability to even delete these bizarre new shares!

Wow....that really gave me pause.

I had just downloaded the OneNote app because I had heard such good things about it. But the One Drive reviews really worry me about using anything related on my iDevices and OSX; does anyone have first hand info to offer here?
 
Google Docs does what 95% of the people need for free. If you need to convert it to a Word file for whatever reason you can.
Do you have any data to support the claim that "Google Docs does what 95% of the people need"? Or is that simply part of the 85% of statistics that are made up? ;)

Converting a doc TO Word is almost never the issue, it is receiving files FROM Word users that can be an issue. Google Docs can handle that pretty well. But the moment you have to update and return a Word Doc (after using Google Docs to edit it) the show is over.


Given how MS has treated Mac in the past, I'm not willing to give them a dime. There's no telling when they'll release another Mac version. Sure, they look good now, saving face and all. But talk to me in a few years when it looks like MS, once again, has abandoned the product.
I suggest that the subscription model will make Microsoft MORE considerate of Mac users, not LESS. Should Microsoft stop supporting Office for Mac (or support it only as an afterthought), individuals and companies will look to alternatives and stop their subscription. That cuts the flow of cash off that outright purchases can't do.

I don't have to worry about such things with Google. Sure, it live in the browser, but it's ALWAYS up to date, no matter what platform you're on.
I don't know how you can be assured that Google won't abandon or dramatically change Google Docs... especially considering the lengthy list of projects and services that they've discontinued.

Also, there are some situations when you don't always want to be up to date. When Google makes a change you have NO CHOICE in the matter... good, bad, or ugly, you get it. Not all changes to Google Docs have been welcomed by users. The list is even longer for those using gmail.
 
...Who are you too? Ha clearly that was a autocorrect gone bad.. 'previous posts'

Well you said 'Free...Stop there'. That could be taken in a lot of ways. I took it to mean "Stop there. It's Free, that's all I care about!"
No... you took that wrong. It was in the context of the post that I actually quoted/replied to, not one of yours. The guy said it's free, and does everything that Office does. I'm saying "Well, it's free... that's about it right there."
 
What worries me is that I have RECENTLY heard horror stories about Microsoft's One Drive completely screwing up people's files, including sharing photos and other PERSONAL documents with STRANGERS! Was just about to add One Drive to my iphone last night, and reading the user reviews saw entry after entry of users saying how it had A) destroyed their libraries, deleting files, B) overwritten backups with the wrong files!, C) Shared personal documents with people entirely unknown to them AND vice versa!, and D) inability to even delete these bizarre new shares!

Wow....that really gave me pause.

I had just downloaded the OneNote app because I had heard such good things about it. But the One Drive reviews really worry me about using anything related on my iDevices and OSX; does anyone have first hand info to offer here?
I don't know about the whole sharing photos and docs with strangers, but I have found OneDrive to be very unreliable and slow to sync.... especially when comparing it to DropBox. The OneDrive space that I get as part of the Office365 subscription is little more than temp scratch space... not the place that I store files that I need.

Microsoft has a long way to go with OneDrive before I start relying on it again... especially since their decision to change how OneDrive behaves in Windows 10. I have numerous iOS, Android, Windows, Windows RT, and OSX devices that need to be able to quickly and reliably access a common set of data. OneDrive falls short for me.
 
I don't know about the whole sharing photos and docs with strangers, but I have found OneDrive to be very unreliable and slow to sync.... especially when comparing it to DropBox. The OneDrive space that I get as part of the Office365 subscription is little more than temp scratch space... not the place that I store files that I need.

Microsoft has a long way to go with OneDrive before I start relying on it again... especially since their decision to change how OneDrive behaves in Windows 10. I have numerous iOS, Android, Windows, Windows RT, and OSX devices that need to be able to quickly and reliably access a common set of data. OneDrive falls short for me.
Yes, if it isn't reliable, then it's of no use to me. I am using Dropbox (still only using the free plan, since I have 8GB...and that is adequate, though not great). Every other month I think about subscribing to a paid plan so that I won't have to manage my space usage so much (on my freebie plan). $10/month is more than I want to spend. And while iCloud is now much cheaper (for less space), I don't trust that either. Too many known issues in recent years. I wish dropbox had a more moderate paid plan. Because it has not failed me yet - in several years of use.
 
what do you think of Box.com?
I do have it, but I don't use it. I don't like the file size limitation for free accounts. 250MB. I don't want to have to think about the file sizes. If they were more generous with the file sizes, I would use it in order to compare quality with Dropbox. Definitely would not venture a paid account without knowing whether the quality is there for all file sizes & types.
 
In-app compatibility might be an issue. I have seen DropBox being supported in-app at many places, not Box.
Yes, I like the fact that I can even stream video, audio, and run other files types, etc from within Dropbox - on all platforms! It is really great. I've been kind of waiting to see if they come up with a new intermediate plan since iCloud dropped their prices. Even though, obviously iCloud is not in the same category in terms of dependability (yet - if ever). Have read too many past horror stories about iCloud to trust it without seeing what people say.
 
One time cost is the best thing! Yahoo! Nice to see it has finally arrived. Little costly (price you pay for all the work they do and far better than subscription) and overdue, but I will have to update to it sooner or later. Will be nice to see what they have done to it.
I agree completely! It's a lot better to pay once for a suite you can use for several years than to continually pay $100 a year. You really only need to upgrade when Microsoft creates a new set of file formats like they did in 2007. Until 2007, you probably could have gotten away with Microsoft Office 1997.
 
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Oh, all this talk about 2007 and 1997 reminded me of Windows 2000. I loved it.. more than XP. The closest that has come is Windows 10 for me. :rolleyes:
 
Wait...so if I want Office on my desktop and laptop, I either have to buy it twice for $150 or subscribe to Office 365? That seems like a huge step backwards versus previous versions of Office. And that doesn't include Outlook?
Fortunately, you don't really need Outlook on a Mac because OS X comes with Mail, Contacts (formerly Address Book) and Calendar (formerly iCal). But it would be nice if Publisher was included. It's not very often that you need Publisher, but it's still a good program to have.

I'm glad they're still doing this. Not everybody wants to pay a subscription. Even though Office 365 is technically excellent value for money.
Yeah, I can't stand the idea of spending $100 on Office when I can just spend $150 once and use that version for several years. The only reason to get Office 365 is to always have the latest version, which is simply unnecessary and trivial from the point of view of pure functionality. Office might get some some new features with each revision, but a new version doesn't necessarily make an older one less useful. You could get by with Office 2007/2008 just fine because there hasn't been a new document format since then.

Some people have no choice. If you joint author documents with people on windows Pages and Numbers are simply not an option. Sure you can save as docx or something but causes problems that take time to fix. Better to just use Word
Exactly! If you're working with someone who is on a Windows PC or if you have to electronically send your work to someone who is using a Windows PC, iWork isn't an option.

Sure, you could change formats repeatedly, from Office to iWork and vice versa many times, but it's just not worth it. Besides, a lot of formatting can be lost the in the iWork to Office conversion. Unfortunately, Microsoft Office is still necessary. You can get by with iWork, but it's not easy, and you risk accidentally sending an iWork document to a Windows user.

Yeah, thanks but no. My Mac is MS free and I'll keep it that way.
Writing with Pages
Spreadsheets with Numbers
Anything they can't handle I go to OpenOffice.
I'll pass.
That was my attitude two years ago back when i bought my MacBook Pro. Now I'm discovering that iWork isn't enough because most of the world uses Microsoft Office. While it's true that iWork documents can be converted to Office formats, there are some downsides to consider:
1. It can be a pain to convert a number of iWork documents to Office format, especially if you're in a rush
2. Most of Keynote's effects don't transfer over to Powerpoint
3. Formatting is often lost in the iWork -> Office transfer
4. It's easy to accidentally send an iWork document to a Windows user.​

Also, while OpenOffice is an option, I'm always afraid that it'll quit on me, partially because it's written in Java, but also because it has quit on me once or twice.

I hate to say it, but Microsoft Office is the best option for work and school. For home/personal stuff, iWork is fine, but if you have to work with Windows users, you really should use Microsoft Office.

BUT
Numbers and OpenOffice Calc does everything I need.
Until you have to send your work to a Windows user. Or until you have to work with a Windows user.

...who are you? What are "precious posts"?

I meant that Google Docs is free... and that's about it, in comparison to Office. Google Docs is more in line with the iWork suite, as far as features and functionality.
If I had to choose between Google Docs and iWork, I'd go with iWork because it works offline. I really don't want to have to rely on a server for something important. The stability of an offline-suite is very important when you’re working on something important and I don’t want to risk losing my work or losing productivity due to network issues or server issues.

I like how Microsoft is changing its ways and their products now are better than they were, but we seriously need an Office competitor in this world. If Office and all the alternatives were free, I bet more than 90% will choose Office as their preferred suite.

Those who pick other options are for lower prices, hate for Microsoft, fanboyism of another company, or just a hipster.
I agree, but any competitor will need to be able to produce documents in Microsoft Office formats without losing formatting, which is probably something that Microsoft won't allow.
 
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What worries me is that I have RECENTLY heard horror stories about Microsoft's One Drive completely screwing up people's files, including sharing photos and other PERSONAL documents with STRANGERS! Was just about to add One Drive to my iphone last night, and reading the user reviews saw entry after entry of users saying how it had A) destroyed their libraries, deleting files, B) overwritten backups with the wrong files!, C) Shared personal documents with people entirely unknown to them AND vice versa!, and D) inability to even delete these bizarre new shares!

Wow....that really gave me pause.

I had just downloaded the OneNote app because I had heard such good things about it. But the One Drive reviews really worry me about using anything related on my iDevices and OSX; does anyone have first hand info to offer here?

Well OneDrive would be just another data source for my MS files. I would never use it as a backup.
 
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Call it whatever you like. MS has no interest in supporting people like you.
That doesn't mean you have to buy the newest version of Office every year. From the perspective of functionality, Office 2007 really isn't that different than, say Office 2013. A particular version of Office doesn't become drastically less useful just because a newer one is available. That only happens when a new version includes a newer set of formats just as Office 2007 did.
 
Exactly! If you're working with someone who is on a Windows PC or if you have to electronically send your work to someone who is using a Windows PC, iWork isn't an option.

Sure, you could change formats repeatedly, from Office to iWork and vice versa many times, but it's just not worth it. Besides, a lot of formatting can be lost the in the iWork to Office conversion. Unfortunately, Microsoft Office is still necessary. You can get by with iWork, but it's not easy, and you risk accidentally sending an iWork document to a Windows user.

Of the course the underlying real issue here is the lack of a standard format for office documents - or at least the lack of a format that the various companies actually stick to
 
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Of the course the underlying real issue here is the lack of a standard format for office documents - or at least the lack of a format that the various companies actually stick to
Exactly! There's RTF, but it only supports text, not images. There's also ODT, but I've read that there are sometimes formatting issues. If there was a standard format that any developer could use in the creation of an Office-like suite and could be used in Microsoft Office without any formatting issues, that would solve the problem. In effect, we need Microsoft Office because it has been the de-facto standard for decades. It's a bit of a vicious cycle; the more it's used, the more it's needed.
 
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I did not read through the 10+ pages of messages, who really has that time? But based on pricing this is a good deal.

It took them 5 years to release the last version at $100 per year that is a total of $500 you are paying vs a 1 time fee of $150. The only item missing is Outlook for $79 which to me personally is not a big deal.

Ultimately I will purchase this version and save $350 over what everyone else pays. I do not utilize any of the other "benefits" that come from the Office 365.
 
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I've been kind of waiting to see if they come up with a new intermediate plan since iCloud dropped their prices.
Dropbox's problem is they're based on S3, so they don't have the same pricing flexibility that they would have if they owned their own data centers.
 
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