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Office for Mac 2011 - It's Amazing!
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We have to draw a line. We can't always maintain backwards compatibility. In this case, just as we did with the preceding Entourage for Web Services, we drew the line at supporting WebDAV (which is to say, we don't support Exchange 2003). Exchange 2003 is losing market share every day, and market share for Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010 are growing every day. Supporting Exchange 2003 would have meant drastically cutting down in the resources that we could spend in otherwise making Outlook to be an awesome application.
shootermac said:
If you open up your address book in Outlook Web Access, how many contacts does it show? I'm curious if you have a few contacts that are only in your Outlook for Windows address list, or if Outlook:Mac is the only client that's missing these contacts.
One easy way to figure out what the discrepancy is would to be add a category to your all of your contacts on Outlook for Mac. Let that change propagate to the server, then go into Outlook for Windows and look to see which of your contacts don't have that category. Maybe that will reveal something that those four contacts have in common.
jaoki said:
Excel 2008 supported 1 million rows and 16k columns, a feature that we imaginatively named "Big Grid". This is the same amount as supported in Excel 2007 for Windows. Excel 2010 for Windows kept the grid at the same size, and Excel:Mac 2011 does too.
stepandy said:
Since I assume you got your copy of Outlook from your university or company via a Volume Licensing agreement, and haven't taken advantage of some of the (ahem) questionable and rather unsavoury ways to procure Office 2011 that I've seen mentioned in this thread, I'll point you towards IT at your company/university. Their first question will be to check whether the other applications launch correctly, and their second question will likely be to ask whether you've uninstalled and reinstalled to see if that makes a difference.
bryanck said:
This is a difference in how Windows computers and Macs display stuff. Windows displays at 96dpi, whereas Macs display at 72dpi, which results in fonts looking like they're a different size.
gopherhockey said:
Could you call your Microsoft account rep and see if they can troubleshoot this issue? We aren't aware of any issues like this with Exchange, and you're right that this is something that we want to get right, so I'd love to get to the bottom of this.
metalblaze said:
Yes, you can import from Entourage 2008 (as well as Entourage 2004, and Entourage for Web Services) into the new Outlook. We haven't left our existing users out of the fun.
Regards,
Nadyne.
Things to test with Outlook in Mac Office 2011
I don't know what to test so please ask if you have anything on your mind that I could try. I've included a screenshot of every app, feel free to take a look![/QUOTE]
I'm a power Corporate Outlook User and have to constantly use it on a mac via Paralells and Remote Desktop Connection to a server PC so here's my test wishlist.
1. Test inviting "resources" via an outlook invite. Typically at my company if I invite bob, susan and tom I can also invite "Big Dog Conference Room" as a "Resource" and it automatically books the conference room.
2. Global Address access with Exchange account
3. Similar "Folder List" view to be able to toggle easily from Inbox to Contacts to Calendar
4. Ability to add "other user folders" that you are delegated to to your "Folder List" (important for easy copying of meetings from your calendar to your bosses calendar) via "Copy To" or "Move To" functions.
5. Ability to create inbox rules in particluar "New Item Alerts" (pop ups related to certain rules. i.e. emails from your boss get special pop up windows).
6. Proper Syncing on Exchange accounts. Currently Entourage is the bain of our existance becuase it "Grabs" information off the server rather than simply "view" it as Outlook does. This causes horrible sync issues. In particular Entourage was horrible about "holding on" to old versions of meetings that had been updated thus creating a duplicate meeting of the updated meeting. It's similar to the havoc caused when executives accept meetings on their iPhones rather than via their desktops (or just letting their delegates do this)
7. Proper delegate handling with delegates to calendars/contacts able to open/manage and send meetings on behalf of their delegates. In Entourage I believe there were serious issues with adding a delegate if your delegate was in Outlook on a PC. Basically you had to run Outlook on a PC to add the delegate (or have IT department do this).
Some of this I realize is moot if you're unable to test it on an exchange account but I figured it was worth a try and maybe some users out there will have done this and can post their results.
Thanks! Happy to try to better explain anything above that was confusing or otherwise.
I don't know what to test so please ask if you have anything on your mind that I could try. I've included a screenshot of every app, feel free to take a look![/QUOTE]
I'm a power Corporate Outlook User and have to constantly use it on a mac via Paralells and Remote Desktop Connection to a server PC so here's my test wishlist.
1. Test inviting "resources" via an outlook invite. Typically at my company if I invite bob, susan and tom I can also invite "Big Dog Conference Room" as a "Resource" and it automatically books the conference room.
2. Global Address access with Exchange account
3. Similar "Folder List" view to be able to toggle easily from Inbox to Contacts to Calendar
4. Ability to add "other user folders" that you are delegated to to your "Folder List" (important for easy copying of meetings from your calendar to your bosses calendar) via "Copy To" or "Move To" functions.
5. Ability to create inbox rules in particluar "New Item Alerts" (pop ups related to certain rules. i.e. emails from your boss get special pop up windows).
6. Proper Syncing on Exchange accounts. Currently Entourage is the bain of our existance becuase it "Grabs" information off the server rather than simply "view" it as Outlook does. This causes horrible sync issues. In particular Entourage was horrible about "holding on" to old versions of meetings that had been updated thus creating a duplicate meeting of the updated meeting. It's similar to the havoc caused when executives accept meetings on their iPhones rather than via their desktops (or just letting their delegates do this)
7. Proper delegate handling with delegates to calendars/contacts able to open/manage and send meetings on behalf of their delegates. In Entourage I believe there were serious issues with adding a delegate if your delegate was in Outlook on a PC. Basically you had to run Outlook on a PC to add the delegate (or have IT department do this).
Some of this I realize is moot if you're unable to test it on an exchange account but I figured it was worth a try and maybe some users out there will have done this and can post their results.
Thanks! Happy to try to better explain anything above that was confusing or otherwise.
Thanks to Nadyne for the thoughtful responses!
Yes, this does work -- but in the Windows version when I hit "SEND" -- and there is a misspelled word, it asks me again to correct it so I can be sure that the message goes out without any (unintentional) misspellings. If I don't manually go back and correct the words in Outlook for Mac, the message goes out that way.
Great, good to hear!
Yes, this does work -- but in the Windows version when I hit "SEND" -- and there is a misspelled word, it asks me again to correct it so I can be sure that the message goes out without any (unintentional) misspellings. If I don't manually go back and correct the words in Outlook for Mac, the message goes out that way.
Great, good to hear!
Hi Nadyne,
It appears you've sidestepped this question a couple of times already, so I'll just go ahead and directly ask you. Why is there no iCal syncing via sync services, yet it syncs contacts?
Thanks!
It appears you've sidestepped this question a couple of times already, so I'll just go ahead and directly ask you. Why is there no iCal syncing via sync services, yet it syncs contacts?
Thanks!
well, first impressions are everything. i have gathered this "retail copy" and i will say that so far i am not impressed.
after spending 5 minutes deleting the 7 or so icons from my dock (i didnt even install half the apps!) and setting my settings up, i FINALLY got to open up Word. the icons are... wierd, it will take some getting used to.
spede of launching apps is certialy faster then the 08 Office - but not as fast as iWork.
it does *feel* fairly stable, however i went to resize a window in the bottom right hand corner (i kept the document scale set at 100%, i.e. it didnt move) - when making the Word window bigger or smaller it seemed to lag like CRAZY. i was quite dissapointed that M$ can not even get simple UI features flowing smoothly.
myself and HellHammer attempted to video call. boy did that go wrong. upon answering the call, HellHammer was disconnected and the application quit on him! messages were not getting through, it was taking + 2mins to sign in and overall it was just a bad experience. this beta has been in the works for months (years even) and they still cannot get it right.
i am dissapointed.
after spending 5 minutes deleting the 7 or so icons from my dock (i didnt even install half the apps!) and setting my settings up, i FINALLY got to open up Word. the icons are... wierd, it will take some getting used to.
spede of launching apps is certialy faster then the 08 Office - but not as fast as iWork.
it does *feel* fairly stable, however i went to resize a window in the bottom right hand corner (i kept the document scale set at 100%, i.e. it didnt move) - when making the Word window bigger or smaller it seemed to lag like CRAZY. i was quite dissapointed that M$ can not even get simple UI features flowing smoothly.
myself and HellHammer attempted to video call. boy did that go wrong. upon answering the call, HellHammer was disconnected and the application quit on him! messages were not getting through, it was taking + 2mins to sign in and overall it was just a bad experience. this beta has been in the works for months (years even) and they still cannot get it right.
i am dissapointed.
We have to draw a line. We can't always maintain backwards compatibility. In this case, just as we did with the preceding Entourage for Web Services, we drew the line at supporting WebDAV (which is to say, we don't support Exchange 2003). Exchange 2003 is losing market share every day, and market share for Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010 are growing every day. Supporting Exchange 2003 would have meant drastically cutting down in the resources that we could spend in otherwise making Outlook to be an awesome application.
If you open up your address book in Outlook Web Access, how many contacts does it show? I'm curious if you have a few contacts that are only in your Outlook for Windows address list, or if Outlook:Mac is the only client that's missing these contacts.
One easy way to figure out what the discrepancy is would to be add a category to your all of your contacts on Outlook for Mac. Let that change propagate to the server, then go into Outlook for Windows and look to see which of your contacts don't have that category. Maybe that will reveal something that those four contacts have in common.
Excel 2008 supported 1 million rows and 16k columns, a feature that we imaginatively named "Big Grid". This is the same amount as supported in Excel 2007 for Windows. Excel 2010 for Windows kept the grid at the same size, and Excel:Mac 2011 does too.
Since I assume you got your copy of Outlook from your university or company via a Volume Licensing agreement, and haven't taken advantage of some of the (ahem) questionable and rather unsavoury ways to procure Office 2011 that I've seen mentioned in this thread, I'll point you towards IT at your company/university. Their first question will be to check whether the other applications launch correctly, and their second question will likely be to ask whether you've uninstalled and reinstalled to see if that makes a difference.
This is a difference in how Windows computers and Macs display stuff. Windows displays at 96dpi, whereas Macs display at 72dpi, which results in fonts looking like they're a different size.
Could you call your Microsoft account rep and see if they can troubleshoot this issue? We aren't aware of any issues like this with Exchange, and you're right that this is something that we want to get right, so I'd love to get to the bottom of this.
Yes, you can import from Entourage 2008 (as well as Entourage 2004, and Entourage for Web Services) into the new Outlook. We haven't left our existing users out of the fun.
Regards,
Nadyne.
Interesting, very weird indeed. I checked OWA and sure enough it had the total 229, which Outlook 2010 is showing, 229. Meanwhile Outlook 2011 is still showing 225. I then changed the categories like you said and let it propogate and I now see the 4 contacts that are not making into Outlook 2011. I cannot see anything different with them, not sure why they wouldnt be syncing from Exchange.
EDIT: It looks like those four contacts have Just a first name, not a last name, apparently this is messing with Outlook 2011.
Quick question: can you run both Office 2008 and Office 2011 side to side? It would be useful, unless 2011 is really bug-free.
EDIT: I mean, install 2011 without uninstalling 2008.
EDIT: I mean, install 2011 without uninstalling 2008.
Hello:
No Outlook connector for Hotmail yet?
I like to Synchronize my Hotmail account with the new Outlook for Mac... the only way is POP3 but that's not good, I'm missing all of this options:
With Outlook Hotmail Connector and Outlook 2010, you gain these additional benefits:
Hope some of the Mactopia read this and do a Connector for Mac version.
No Outlook connector for Hotmail yet?
I like to Synchronize my Hotmail account with the new Outlook for Mac... the only way is POP3 but that's not good, I'm missing all of this options:
With Outlook Hotmail Connector and Outlook 2010, you gain these additional benefits:
- Your Safe Sender List/Blocked sender list/Safe Recipient lists are synchronized between Outlook and Hotmail.
- Send/receive works like your other Outlook accounts.
- Your Hotmail account status appears in the Outlook status bar.
- Rules work with the Hotmail account in Outlook even if its not your primary account.
Hope some of the Mactopia read this and do a Connector for Mac version.
Nadyne, thank you for working hard on office 2011 and being interactive on the forums. I am sure you are going to hear complaints about the new release but for me you made office perfect. Thank you!
Outlook
It looks like the student and home addition does not contain outlook. Is this correct? If I own the 2008 addition will I get the same three free licenses to update to the 2011? I have googled for this answer but could not find this addressed. Thanks Darlene
It looks like the student and home addition does not contain outlook. Is this correct? If I own the 2008 addition will I get the same three free licenses to update to the 2011? I have googled for this answer but could not find this addressed. Thanks Darlene
Draw it at Exchange 2000. You know, the one NOBODY uses. Or, at least download an optional patch down the road to enable this support to assist companies who are migrating. THAT makes Outlook an awesome app on Mac - when it can do EVERYTHING the PC side can do. Failing in any one area reeks of just plain not caring, I'm sorry.
We haven't left our existing users out of the fun.
Anyway, I've been told there is no plan to go to 2007 Exchange because "...there's no reason to upgrade Exchange, 2003 works just fine". So there it is. Entourage for the foreseeable future.
Wow, that is a truly awful, ancient user interface... but at least its back... (do not look forward to coding in this monstrosity though...)
I agree completely. Without Exchange 2003 support the new Office Mac is worthless to me and many others in the same boat we are in. Sorry MS, you blew it this time, and I have no reason toe ver consider you again. You had your chance.Draw it at Exchange 2000. You know, the one NOBODY uses. Or, at least download an optional patch down the road to enable this support to assist companies who are migrating. THAT makes Outlook an awesome app on Mac - when it can do EVERYTHING the PC side can do. Failing in any one area reeks of just plain not caring, I'm sorry.
Anyway, I've been told there is no plan to go to 2007 Exchange because "...there's no reason to upgrade Exchange, 2003 works just fine". So there it is. Entourage for the foreseeable future.
Hello:
No Outlook connector for Hotmail yet?
I like to Synchronize my Hotmail account with the new Outlook for Mac... the only way is POP3 but that's not good, I'm missing all of this options:
With Outlook Hotmail Connector and Outlook 2010, you gain these additional benefits:
- Your Safe Sender List/Blocked sender list/Safe Recipient lists are synchronized between Outlook and Hotmail.
- Send/receive works like your other Outlook accounts.
- Your Hotmail account status appears in the Outlook status bar.
- Rules work with the Hotmail account in Outlook even if it’s not your primary account.
Hope some of the Mactopia read this and do a Connector for Mac version.
Why am I so sure they won't release Outlook Connector for Mac? XD.. I wouldn't care about this if by POP3 could sync my other folders, not only my Inbox
Have people discovered the 3D style grouping feature yet. It's really impressive when working in publishing layout, and it allows you to move your layers around and see them in a 3D space (Damien Hirst slices style).
Seriously its very impressive both aesthetically and practically.
I would kill for Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign etc.. to have this feature at times.
OFM2011 has brains and beauty. Really good work Microsoft.
Seriously its very impressive both aesthetically and practically.
I would kill for Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign etc.. to have this feature at times.
OFM2011 has brains and beauty. Really good work Microsoft.
Without Access, I have no use for Office for Mac. I know Access uses the actual Windows OS to run, but you would think they would have a way to port it to Mac by now. I will just stick to Open Office (or Libre Office or whatever it is called now) for the time being and use Parallels when I need Microsoft Access.
Can you then place your desired tools in a custom square toolbox and have it on one side along with the formatting palette like in 2004/2008?
If I can do this and it is faster and doesn't crash all the time, I might forget all about the nightmares that are Office 2004 and 2008. I'll still only use it for Excel though and opening the occasional Word file that doesn't look right in Pages.
Outlook unexpectedly quits on me every couple of days.
There's a lot to like but in it's current state and with reduced features, particularly lack of ability to redirect emails and lack of ical/iphone sync, I can't install it on the computers on my network.
There's a lot to like but in it's current state and with reduced features, particularly lack of ability to redirect emails and lack of ical/iphone sync, I can't install it on the computers on my network.
Agreed. All I see here is a giant, jumbled mess.
+1 on that comment...I don't know what the heck I'm doing in Office 2007, and now teh gonna ruin muh interfacez!