If thats true I would call that a form of cheating and a huge scam to get the Yankees of guard.
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I don't think I'd call it cheating. Baseball deals alot with misleading ones opponent as to ones actions, so I'd more qualify it in that department.
What would they convict him on? A Dress Code violation? I think not.
It's no where near as bad as other post season game tactics, such as the twins feild manager turning on the fans when the twins were at bat to slow the ball down during the world series against the braves.
He didn't necessarily lose the first game on purpose... he could still have been injured without the ankle actually bleeding.
Forget postseason, teams have done that in the regular season since the beginning. The Astros were often accused of manipulating the air conditioning in the old Astrodome. Various teams would cut the grass short or long depending on their hitters. Teams used to water their basepaths until it was mud to slow down base stealers like Ty Cobb and Maury Wills. Bill Veeck once installed an outfield fence that he could raise and lower depending on who was at bat. (That one was banned after one game.) And of course, people have alleged that the Dodger Stadium pitcher's mound is higher than regulation pretty much since it was built.
As for the bloody sock thing, it doesn't sound made-up to me. If it were, why would Mirabelli be dumb enough to tell a broadcaster? And with all the people surrounding the team, wouldn't more people know? On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past an attention whore like Schilling to try something like that.
It sounds more like a fun conspiracy theory to me, but I remember thinking at the time that the media was having way too much fun talking about it.
Anyone saying that it's paint is a goddamn fool. First of all, the sock is now in the HOF, and the stain is brown. Blood turns brown after a while, and paint doesn't. Secondly, why the **** would he go out and paint a sock red? Everyone knew he was injured, he was limping and we all knew about the procedure he had to secure his tendon. Finally, just look at the ****ing video of it. It's obvious that if it was just painted on the outside (like Kevin Millar did for warmups tonight as a joke), it would have a different texture than the rest of the sock. You can clearly see that the blood is saturated through the fabric of the sock. It's just ridiculous for some random sports commentator to come out and say this ****. Mirabelli said he's never even talked to the guy.
Yeah.. it's cheating
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night after the Yankees had the biggest choke in sports history
Also: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/a...t_id=1931740&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
Thorne admitted he was wrong.
Yeah.. it's cheating
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night after the Yankees had the biggest choke in sports historyAlso: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/a...t_id=1931740&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
Thorne admitted he was wrong.
LOL..I've never seen such backpedaling/backstroking as I have seen with Thorne in the past 24 hours. Nice to watch a guy that doesn't check his facts that runs with the story squirm...As well as all the other so called "sports reporters", Red Sox bashers/haters etc..What a bunch of frauds. Good to see all these clowns get called to the mat.I'm surprised one of these reporters hasn't come out and said that the procedure on his ankle never happened Gotta love it.....
Gotta love it.....
LOL..I've never seen such backpedaling/backstroking as I have seen with Thorne in the past 24 hours. Nice to watch a guy that doesn't check his facts that runs with the story squirm...As well as all the other so called "sports reporters", Red Sox bashers/haters etc..What a bunch of frauds. Good to see all these clowns get called to the mat.I'm surprised one of these reporters hasn't come out and said that the procedure on his ankle never happened
It is rather amusing, but I don't think anyone truly thought the blood was fake.
Good to see Curt fire back at these frauds:
Ignorance has its privileges
Apr 27th, 2007 by Curt Schilling
"Take Gary Thorne, John, Jack Joe or whatever his first name is, Heyman, Karen Vescey, Woody Paige, CHB, Jay Marriotti, Bill Plaschke, and a host of other people that litter the media landscape, and put them all on an island somewhere.
Watching Woody Paige or the plastered made up face of Jay Marriotti spew absolutely nothing of merit on sports, day after day, makes it easy to understand how Gary Thorne could say something as stupid, ignorant, and uninformed as he did the other night.
Before last night Id only known who Gary Thorne was due to becoming a hockey fan and enjoying his calls of the NHL playoffs. Ive always thought he was an awesome hockey announcer. Cant say Ive ever met him though so we certainly dont know each other.
So Gary Thorne says that Doug told him the blood was fake. Which even when hes called out he cant admit he lied. Doug never told Gary Thorne anything. Gary Thorne overheard something and then misreported what he overheard. Not only did he misreport it, he misinterpreted what he misreported.
Doug is a good friend of mine and I knew the second I saw him that he felt horrible. He didnt have to. I knew the second I was told what had happened that he didnt say it. I felt horrible for him feeling bad and told him to forget about it. I also knew that being the friends we are, he wouldnt. But even after they spoke Gary Thorne still covered his ass by lying about the conversation and twisting it in a way that absolved him from blame. Tito got phone calls all day, I did as well, and some other guys did too. Its 2007 and this team has got a great thing going. The last thing we need is an idiotic distraction that shouldnt even exist.
Remember this, the surgery was voluntary. If you have the nuts, or the guts, grab an orthopedic surgeon, have them suture your ankle skin down to the tissue covering the bone in your ankle joint, then walk around for 4 hours. After that go find a mound, throw a hundred or so pitches, run over, cover first a few times. When youre done check that ankle and see if it bleeds. It will. There was less visible blood in game two because we recognized the amount of bleeding from the first game and Doctor Morgan put extra covering to stop the blood from running to the bottom of my shoe as it did the first game."
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Just some exerpts...Off to the Bronx...
Ignorance has its privileges
Apr 27th, 2007 by Curt Schilling
"Take Gary Thorne, John, Jack Joe or whatever his first name is, Heyman, Karen Vescey, Woody Paige, CHB, Jay Marriotti, Bill Plaschke, and a host of other people that litter the media landscape, and put them all on an island somewhere.
Watching Woody Paige or the plastered made up face of Jay Marriotti spew absolutely nothing of merit on sports, day after day, makes it easy to understand how Gary Thorne could say something as stupid, ignorant, and uninformed as he did the other night.
Before last night Id only known who Gary Thorne was due to becoming a hockey fan and enjoying his calls of the NHL playoffs. Ive always thought he was an awesome hockey announcer. Cant say Ive ever met him though so we certainly dont know each other.
So Gary Thorne says that Doug told him the blood was fake. Which even when hes called out he cant admit he lied. Doug never told Gary Thorne anything. Gary Thorne overheard something and then misreported what he overheard. Not only did he misreport it, he misinterpreted what he misreported.
Doug is a good friend of mine and I knew the second I saw him that he felt horrible. He didnt have to. I knew the second I was told what had happened that he didnt say it. I felt horrible for him feeling bad and told him to forget about it. I also knew that being the friends we are, he wouldnt. But even after they spoke Gary Thorne still covered his ass by lying about the conversation and twisting it in a way that absolved him from blame. Tito got phone calls all day, I did as well, and some other guys did too. Its 2007 and this team has got a great thing going. The last thing we need is an idiotic distraction that shouldnt even exist.
Remember this, the surgery was voluntary. If you have the nuts, or the guts, grab an orthopedic surgeon, have them suture your ankle skin down to the tissue covering the bone in your ankle joint, then walk around for 4 hours. After that go find a mound, throw a hundred or so pitches, run over, cover first a few times. When youre done check that ankle and see if it bleeds. It will. There was less visible blood in game two because we recognized the amount of bleeding from the first game and Doctor Morgan put extra covering to stop the blood from running to the bottom of my shoe as it did the first game."
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Just some exerpts...Off to the Bronx...
Curt Schilling said:
i wish i can do that too. it's too bad i can't, the media is annoying at times.
Wow,what a shock.That coming from the mouth of Yankee's fan?
Worry about your own rotation.It's got a few problems of its own right now...Man provided steroids, HGH to dozens of players
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2851544
A former employee of the New York Mets has pleaded guilty to distributing steroids and human growth hormone to dozens of major league players between 1995 and 2005, several media outlets are reporting.
According to court documents obtained by The Washington Post and other newspapers, Kirk J. Radomski admitted to supplying drugs to players throughout the league and laundering the proceeds of those sales.
The Post and San Jose Mercury News are reporting that Radomski has agreed to cooperate with Major League Baseball's investigation into steroids led by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell.
Radomski, 37, surrendered Friday in U.S. District Court, scene of the BALCO steroid proceedings and prosecutions, and pleaded guilty to one count of distribution of a controlled substance -- anabolic steroids -- and one count of money laundering.
"This individual was a major dealer of anabolic steroids and performance-enhancing drugs whose clientele was focused almost exclusively on Major League Baseball players," assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Parrella said, according to The Post. "He operated for approximately a decade."
Radomski, a former Mets batboy who said he also worked as an equipment manager and clubhouse assistant while with the team from 1985-95, faces up to 25 years in prison and $500,000 in fines.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2851544
A former employee of the New York Mets has pleaded guilty to distributing steroids and human growth hormone to dozens of major league players between 1995 and 2005, several media outlets are reporting.
According to court documents obtained by The Washington Post and other newspapers, Kirk J. Radomski admitted to supplying drugs to players throughout the league and laundering the proceeds of those sales.
The Post and San Jose Mercury News are reporting that Radomski has agreed to cooperate with Major League Baseball's investigation into steroids led by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell.
Radomski, 37, surrendered Friday in U.S. District Court, scene of the BALCO steroid proceedings and prosecutions, and pleaded guilty to one count of distribution of a controlled substance -- anabolic steroids -- and one count of money laundering.
"This individual was a major dealer of anabolic steroids and performance-enhancing drugs whose clientele was focused almost exclusively on Major League Baseball players," assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Parrella said, according to The Post. "He operated for approximately a decade."
Radomski, a former Mets batboy who said he also worked as an equipment manager and clubhouse assistant while with the team from 1985-95, faces up to 25 years in prison and $500,000 in fines.
I hope Selig doesn't try to brush this off like he did with Bonds, Sosa, and Marky.
True- we don't need to brush it under the carpet, but baseball does need to get past the 'roids issue.
As soon as Bonds breaks the record and goes into the HOF we will never get past it.
Hopefully then this era will be nothing more then a black mark on the history of the sport, baseball will get past it.
It depends on how big the players are and how long this has been going on. If we find out that 25 Hall of Famers were using that would be a big blow.
Umm... Schilling wasn't the one who brought this up.. it was the ****ing media. So blame them, not him.
Also, Schilling's Response
asypr released iquiz making software and i suggest that we make up a quiz for our ipods for all the baseball people to have fun with at their ipods...who's willing to do this? offer up some questions.
We've had this discussion before, MacNut, but the problem isn't that Selig is brushing off any player's sins, it is rather that Selig and the owners as a whole actively promoted players and results they knew to be the product of wide spread use of steroids. They made money, hand over fist, promoting players they had every reason to believe were using the drug and never said "boo." So, the problem isn't whether or not Selig will get "tough" after this new round of scandal, but whether the owners will ever accept any responsibility for their own actions. Their only real defense is that this has been going on forever, in every major sport, and they were just continuing the wanton disregard for players health that they inherited.
On a more baseball friendly theme, I'm quite happy with the Giants starting rotation which leads the majors (or is it just the NL) with a 3.08 ERA. The bullpen is even looking good. Jason Schmidt? Who's he?