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Official 2007 MLB Season Thread
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So, Mr. Juicer just tied the record. Damn. I was hoping his slump would continue to the end of the season 
heh gotta love the moderation standards on this thread.
Trashing bonds about steroids = acceptable
Supporting him = posts get moved.
Priceless.
Trashing bonds about steroids = acceptable
Supporting him = posts get moved.
Priceless.
Honestly, do you think the mods are going to pick and choose which posts to keep and which ones they weren't? They picked up everything from that day and moved it. Deal with it.
I don't really care what they do, but I will certainly point out when the standards are so obviously subjective.
Im not even worried about Bonds anymore because in a few years A-Rod will be the true home run king.
Interesting but where's your evidence that he is clean?
No, just a basic understanding of baseball. Barry will hold the record for career homeruns with his next homerun, but understanding what that means takes an understanding of baseball through many eras. Bonds' feat is great, but does it mean he is a better homerun hitter than Ruth, Mays, or Williams? He maybe, but hitting 756 doesn't prove it. It is really impossible to compare these guys with anyone other than their contemporaries. Bonds is the best of his era, and he maintained it over a long enough career to beat out Aaron for the career homerun record. Who is the best homerun hitter of all time is a much, much more complicated subject and "*s" of any size aren't helpful in understanding that fact.
Don't count your records before they are broken, MacNut. Most people would have said the same thing about Griffey not too long ago. It's a long way to 755 and much more to where the record may be when Bonds retires. Having said all that, congratulations and good luck to A-Rod. I just hope he isn't playing for the Yankees if he breaks it.Im not even worried about Bonds anymore because in a few years A-Rod will be the true home run king.
The amazing thing to me about Bonds is not his ability to hit home runs, it's his ability to take a walk.
Just consider:
in 13766 career plate appearances (AB + BB) Hank Aaron walked 1402 times. That's a rate of 9.81 plate appearances per walk.
In 12303 career plate appearances, Barry Bonds has walked 2536 times. That's a rate of 4.81 plate appearances per walk.
If you take out Bonds's intentional walks (679) he still has more total walks (1857) than Hank Aaron did (1402) even including Aaron's intentional walks (293).
Noone in major league history has more walks.
We often are left portrayals of Barry Bonds as some sort of Faustian figure hell bent on destroying the home run records of Ruth, Maris, McGwire, and Aaron, but surely if that were his prime motivator, he would swing at more pitches and take fewer walks, thus giving him a better chance to hit one out.
For those who have not done so, you should really watch him.
Last night when he tied Aaron at 755 was text book Bonds.
He hit a homerun and walked 3 times.
He swung at two pitches. One was a foul ball, the other was his 755th home run.
I don't care if the guy comes up to the plate with banana bag hooked up to an IV in his arm and a pharmacy on his back, that is just amazing to me.
This year, Bonds already has 110 walks. The next closest is Todd Helton with 83.
Just amazing.
Just consider:
in 13766 career plate appearances (AB + BB) Hank Aaron walked 1402 times. That's a rate of 9.81 plate appearances per walk.
In 12303 career plate appearances, Barry Bonds has walked 2536 times. That's a rate of 4.81 plate appearances per walk.
If you take out Bonds's intentional walks (679) he still has more total walks (1857) than Hank Aaron did (1402) even including Aaron's intentional walks (293).
Noone in major league history has more walks.
We often are left portrayals of Barry Bonds as some sort of Faustian figure hell bent on destroying the home run records of Ruth, Maris, McGwire, and Aaron, but surely if that were his prime motivator, he would swing at more pitches and take fewer walks, thus giving him a better chance to hit one out.
For those who have not done so, you should really watch him.
Last night when he tied Aaron at 755 was text book Bonds.
He hit a homerun and walked 3 times.
He swung at two pitches. One was a foul ball, the other was his 755th home run.
I don't care if the guy comes up to the plate with banana bag hooked up to an IV in his arm and a pharmacy on his back, that is just amazing to me.
This year, Bonds already has 110 walks. The next closest is Todd Helton with 83.
Just amazing.
I hope he does do it in NY, its about time the record comes back home. SF has had it long enough. Only 3 yankees have hit 500 in the pinstripes, Ruth Mantle and A-Rod. Only 2 have done it at Yankee Stadium, Ruth and A-Rod. It is about time the record comes back where it was born.
Manny's got 12 to go until 500. That'll make 3 new 500 HR hitters just this season, plus a new 600-er, and the *.
I hope he does do it in NY, its about time the record comes back home. SF has had it long enough. Only 3 yankees have hit 500 in the pinstripes, Ruth Mantle and A-Rod. Only 2 have done it at Yankee Stadium, Ruth and A-Rod. It is about time the record comes back where it was born.
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The career homerun record hasn't been held - still jointly held with Aaron - by a San Francisco player for 48 hours yet, so "long enough" just doesn't make much sense. And, MacNut, the career homerun record wasn't born in New York. Ruth held it a very long time, but baseball existed before Ruth put on pinstripes.
btw, Aaron is going to still have the record for most homeruns with one club. No one comes close. Just for fun here are the team leaders:
Braves - Aaron, 733
Yankees - Ruth, 659
Giants - Mays, 646
Twins/Senators - Killebrew, 559
Phillies - Schimdt, 548
Cubs - Sosa, 545
Red Sox - Williams, 521
Cardinals - Musial, 475
Pirates - Stargell, 475
Astros - Bagwell, 449
White Sox - Thomas, 448
Orioles - Ripkin, Jr., 431
Tigers - Kaline, 399
Mariners - Griffey, 398
Reds - Bench, 389
Dodgers - Snider, 389
Rangers - Gonzalez, 372
A's - McGwire, 363
Blue Jays - Delgado, 336
Indians - Thome, 334
Royals - Brett, 317
Angels - Salmon, 299
Rockies - Helton, 295
Mets - Strawberry, 252
Brewers - Yount, 251
Nationals/Expos - Guerrero, 234
Diamondbacks - Gonzalez, 224
Padres - Colbert, 163
Marlins - Lowell, 143
Devil Rays - Huff, 128
Notice only Helton is currently building on his team record. It's also instructive to notice how many team records are held by players who played in the last twenty years.
A few observations for the Bonds haters on this board. I find it interesting that the Giants, who are unfortunately a last place team, are playing to soldout crowds every night. Not just in San Francisco, but wherever they go. I also notice that whenever Barry Bonds comes to the plate that cameras are going off all around the ballparks by people who seem interested in catching the event of his breaking Aaron's record for their own personal historical moment in time. As a Giant fan I also find it amusing when opposing team's fans boo when Bonds is walked intentionally - it is almost as if they are hoping he will hit a homerun against their team! Lastly, I found it particular fun to watch San Diego fans stand and cheer when Bonds hit #755. Now, when Bonds comes home and hits 756 he can know that there are many, many baseball fans throughout the country cheering him on. I know I will.
Saw this on ESPN.com
That's lame. There's not a Bonds hater in the world who wouldn't sell the ball if he caught it.
Well look at the creampuffs the yankees have been playing. Wait till they hit the speed bump coming up.
Pleased with the Sox over the weekend.Seattle's been a house of horror for us lately.Was nice taking two of three.Lots of two out runs yesterday..We'll see how Schilling does tonite in Anaheim...
Don't know what's with Detroit.They're coming up lame lately.
Don't know what's with Detroit.They're coming up lame lately.
We will see, its good to see schill back. Although in the 9-2 win last nite, the Sox still left 13 on base. So they are starting to hit the ball a little bit more. Just got to keep it up.