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Official 2007 MLB Season Thread

MacNut said:
Fixed that for you.
I didn't see it I don't care to see it, as far as I am concerned the record is tarnished forever. The fact that espn is making this a huge event is kinda sad in itself.

Mr Bonds has broken the record now he can fade away into the sunset and never be heard from again.

I hope Mr Selig is happy for his part in ruining the game as well. This is just as much his fault as it is Bonds.
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As i agree with you that Bond's doesn't deserve it, i have to say the energy in that stadium was probably one of the greatest experiences in baseball i've ever been a part of.

While i am a giants fan i'm not a bonds fan. hopefully now we won't have to hear much about him. (and maybe we'll win some games? :eek:)

but nonetheless congrats on the achievement, even if it is a bit.... eh.
 
MacNut said:
And now for the big rant.

As a long time baseball fan this day was one that I as well as many were not waiting for, the saying that cheaters never win I guess can't be used tonight as Barry Bonds cheated and is laughing his way into the history books. So does that mean that cheating is ok if you can beat the greatest record in all of sport. I hope Mr Bonds is proud of his achievement tonight as I for one am very disgusted at the moment. The great things that Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron have done for the game really are meaningless when a person like Bonds in one swing can destroy all of that history.
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In your followup post, I assume you will be providing the proof that he cheated, or is conjecture enough for conviction in the court of public opinion?

Silly question, of course it is. Ask Michael Vick.

And why is it that we're ok with Lance Armstrong but not Barry Bonds?

Are we really that shallow or is it just racism and because he's a jerk?
 
The last couple of years I really didn't want to see him break the record. I thought he was a jerk and didn't deserve it. But now that he has broken it, I'm kinda happy for him. Regardless of how he got there it is still quite a feat. And at the same time, I still have a little comfort knowing that he still has over 100 to hit to become the true 'Homerun King'.

Congratulations Barry on being Number 3!
 
I've made my opinion clear in the past, I think he cheated and doesn't deserve the record.

BTW, what happened to Chien Ming Wang? Out after 2 2/3 innings? Very uncharacteristic. It was a blowout, 15-4
Cano is really the only guy who did his part. We gotta play consistent and strong, especially since we have a lot of tough series coming up.
 
asxtb said:
The last couple of years I really didn't want to see him break the record. I thought he was a jerk and didn't deserve it. But now that he has broken it, I'm kinda happy for him. Regardless of how he got there it is still quite a feat. And at the same time, I still have a little comfort knowing that he still has over 100 to hit to become the true 'Homerun King'.

Congratulations Barry on being Number 3!
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From wiki:

On three occasions, foreign players have challenged his single-season home run record of 55 (Americans Randy Bass in 1985, 54 HRs, and Karl "Tuffy" Rhodes in 2001, 55 HRs; and Venezuelan Alex Cabrera in 2002, 55 HRs).

That's all you really need to know about Japanese home run records.
 
rick ankiel coming back

yes, that rick ankiel. the one that kept throwing wild pitches during the playoffs. well, he's coming back as an outfielder tonight. i saw him take some swings during spring training, and he's not half bad.
 
furcalchick said:
yes, that rick ankiel. the one that kept throwing wild pitches during the playoffs. well, he's coming back as an outfielder tonight. i saw him take some swings during spring training, and he's not half bad.
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He had like 32 HR's in the minors this year.

He was a pitcher in high school, that usually means he was the best player on his team by far.

My biggest wonder is if Larussa is managing an extra inning game where he burned through 4 or 5 arms from innings 7-9 and he gets to inning 15 and the choice is ankiel or tomorrow's starter ... who does he choose?
 
Kwyjibo said:
He had like 32 HR's in the minors this year.

He was a pitcher in high school, that usually means he was the best player on his team by far.

My biggest wonder is if Larussa is managing an extra inning game where he burned through 4 or 5 arms from innings 7-9 and he gets to inning 15 and the choice is ankiel or tomorrow's starter ... who does he choose?
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I don't see him going to ankiel even if that situation. The guy really suffered with his pitching problems, I don't think LaRussa would go there even in an emergency.
 
MacNut said:
Baseball Tonight has become unwatchable, they never stop talking.
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do they show any highlights on that show anymore? i forget since i never watch anymore. they drove me away with their annoying habit of focusing solely on the northeast teams about 4 years ago.

btw, most of espn sucks now, ath is still good, but not like in it's heyday, pti is great, but has gone down a bit in the last few years. sportscenter, please, hardly watch that.
 
Usually its about Barry Bonds, the problem is the crew they have now, Kruk is ok Gammons is smart so he's good to listen too, Phillips sucks. All they do is kiss up and say how great Bonds is. I don't like the new people they have on either. They don't say anything worth while just talk to hear themselves.
 
MacNut said:
All they do is kiss up and say how great Bonds is. I don't like the new people they have on either.
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??? What channel are you watching? Gammons is the only one who has even bothered to air any of Bonds' side of his story. The rest have consistently led a parade of nonsense of anti-Barry drivel.

Back to current events, the Giants just traded Mark Sweeney to the Dodgers for a player to be named later. I like Sweeney, but I'm amazed the Giants could get anyone for him, especially from the hated Dodgers. Great trade on Sabean's part, and I hope Mark does well in LA - as long as the Dodgers continue to lose.
 
Sayhey said:
I like Sweeney, but I'm amazed the Giants could get anyone for him, especially from the hated Dodgers. Great trade on Sabean's part, and I hope Mark does well in LA - as long as the Dodgers continue to lose.
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I guess it depends on whether "future considerations" turns out to be "anyone." I'm a little surprised that they would trade with each other, but it's not like a lot of talent was moved. Seems like trading peanuts for peanuts.
 
aloofman said:
I guess it depends on whether "future considerations" turns out to be "anyone." I'm a little surprised that they would trade with each other, but it's not like a lot of talent was moved. Seems like trading peanuts for peanuts.
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More like Cracker Jacks, for a peanut to be named later.

The Dodgers needed a left-handed bat on the bench after trading Betemit. Of course that's not all they need right now. A few breaks might help. Can a team trade for that? Favorable umpiring for a fate to be named later.
 
IJ Reilly said:
More like Cracker Jacks, for a peanut to be named later.

The Dodgers needed a left-handed bat on the bench after trading Betemit. Of course that's not all they need right now. A few breaks might help. Can a team trade for that? Favorable umpiring for a fate to be named later.
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How is Proctor doing in LA?
 
IJ Reilly said:
More like Cracker Jacks, for a peanut to be named later.

The Dodgers needed a left-handed bat on the bench after trading Betemit. Of course that's not all they need right now. A few breaks might help. Can a team trade for that? Favorable umpiring for a fate to be named later.
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Yeah, three starters out indefinitely and they forgot how to hit. Hard to win that way.

The funniest trade ever is still the guy (don't recall his name) who was traded for himself. He was traded for a player to be named later. A couple months later, after not impressing anyone, he was named as the player and they sent him back to his former team.

MacNut said:
How is Proctor doing in LA?
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The good news is that he's pitching well so far. The bad news is that they've needed him a lot because other pitchers are struggling.
 
aloofman said:
Yeah, three starters out indefinitely and they forgot how to hit. Hard to win that way.
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At least they broke the scoreless drought yesterday and managed a win. I haven't been watching many games lately (I have a strong aversion to train wrecks) but I'll bet Grady has been drumming his fingers on the dugout rail a lot lately.
 
aloofman said:
I guess it depends on whether "future considerations" turns out to be "anyone." I'm a little surprised that they would trade with each other, but it's not like a lot of talent was moved. Seems like trading peanuts for peanuts.
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Yeah, it was 1985 when they last traded with each other - or at least that what I just read - don't know who was in that trade. You guys will like Sweeney. He's in heaven with Mota to coach him. A great 37 year old pinch hitter is a luxury we don't need in our disaster of a season. Hope whoever is coming back north isn't totally worthless.
 
Sayhey said:
Yeah, it was 1985 when they last traded with each other - or at least that what I just read - don't know who was in that trade. You guys will like Sweeney. He's in heaven with Mota to coach him. A great 37 year old pinch hitter is a luxury we don't need in our disaster of a season. Hope whoever is coming back north isn't totally worthless.
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Apparently it was Alex Trevino for Candy Maldonado in 1985. Clearly this move was a turning point for both teams. :p
 
File this under stupid baseball rules:

Roger Clemans was suspended 5 games for retaliation after A-Rod was thrown at 2 times. While no Toronto players were given any punishment Clemans was suspended for throwing in. Are pitchers not allowed to protect the plate anymore. More and more hitters crowd the plate and a pitcher has no way to protect the plate anymore.

Any thoughts.
 
MacNut said:
File this under stupid baseball rules:

Roger Clemans was suspended 5 games for retaliation after A-Rod was thrown at 2 times. While no Toronto players were given any punishment Clemans was suspended for throwing in. Are pitchers not allowed to protect the plate anymore. More and more hitters crowd the plate and a pitcher has no way to protect the plate anymore.

Any thoughts.
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Yes.

Clemens is the last pitcher who was still getting away with brushing batters back. (I give Pedro an honorable mention because he's not playing at the moment.) This is maybe the only time when I'm on Clemens' side of an issue. Over the last 25 years, it's gradually become more difficult for pitchers to get away with throwing chin music and now it's to the point where it's somehow illegitimate. I'm not sure when batters became indignant at getting by a pitch, but they didn't use to be.

This is one of several ways in which the advantage has swung way over to the batters in the last few decades. Batters can also erase the entire batter's box with their cleats, almost stand on top of the plate to pull every strike, don't have to worry about the top third of the official strike zone ever being a strike, and still get a free pass to first even if they make no effort to avoid a HBP. It's not that it's unethical, it's just that it's not even in the rules. It's as if all the umpires collectively decided not to enforce the rules that limited batters. And everyone just shrugs it off.

$20 says that somewhere out there, Bob Gibson saw the highlight and called today's players "wusses". And if there is a heaven, then Don Drysdale saw it and said something that got him banished from it.
 
The thing I don't like is when the umps warn the benches without giving the other team a chance to retaliate a player getting hit. It is a part of the game that if a batter is hit the opposing pitcher is going to respond. The fact that A-Rod was getting thrown at the whole series and nothing was done about it is what I don't like. Clemans makes one inside pitch that hits a batter and he's tossed.
 
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