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I choose my iPhone for its good integration in the whole system, have mac computers, was iPod user before, and really love how good and seamless things synced.
Having solved the address book issue, synching challenge was the first thing that caught me, ... with the time it became more.
Still i miss the simplicity of the iPod nano. with the click wheel it was possible to control without having to look at it.

on the other side there are plenty of people that fit the stereotype of trendy consumer, some might actually feel the difference in product, others might not like it that much and switch away.
 
Thing, is, Apple is just as competitive and hungry *without* competition. Apple developed the iphone thus far in the stark absence of any real competition. Apple simply doesn't stop. Apple seeks to outdo *themselves* each time, and that is definitely a tall order. And come June, Google or no Google, we'll soil ourselves once we see what Apple will reveal at their phone event. Google and the also-rans won't even see it coming. Rest assured.

In some cases.....at least when it comes to making a smartphone, Apple is on top of their game. Now OTHER things Apple does like say, MobileMe, uh......well........

But as far as phones go, iPhone is king.....even with the horrendous AT&T bogging it down, it's still the Alpha.

I am Jack's overwhelming sense of disbelief.

The things you own, end up OWNING YOU! :eek:
/fightclub

+1

this could compete but would REALLY compete with the iPhone if on big red

+4
 
GarageBand is not free. First, you have to invest into a Mac computer, if you haven't already got one. That's gonna cost you. Secondly, you need iLife. On its own, iLife '09 is $79. That is $79 more than free. If you have an earlier version of iLife, again, it's $79. If you do not want iPhoto or iWeb, it's still $79. So, GarageBand IS NOT FREE.

I could have cited other comments. For some reason, people take iLife as it's free. Yes, we get one copy of iLife pre-installed on our new Macs. But that's it. Its price is included in the price of the computer package, along with the price of OSX. So, again...

GARAGEBAND IS NOT FREE!

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Tyler Durden: How's that working out for you?
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You pay for iLife if you want it without buying a Mac and you get the software included in the price of a new Mac. So yes, it's "free" in the same way one of the items in a buy-1-get-1-free sale is free. You can make convoluted arguments about how that free item is actually 50% of the total cost, but that's not the generally argeed-upon definition we all use when it comes to advertised prices and "free." Your dispute with that notion goes well beyond Apple as lots of advertisers and companies do it, so I'm not sure why you're choosing to make it an issue here.
 
In some cases.....at least when it comes to making a smartphone, Apple is on top of their game. Now OTHER things Apple does like say, MobileMe, uh......well........

Now that the days of mutual friendship between Google and Apple are going to end, maybe the online offerings of apple will also improve again.

Things are a bit too quiet, guess they preparing something big for CES
 
iPhone is king.....even with the horrendous AT&T bogging it down, it's still the Alpha.

I thank my lucky stars I'm with Rogers here in Canada. Great coverage everywhere, tethering and MMS from day one, very reliable service. Then again, if we had the kind of congestion AT&T is experiencing, Rogers might have a tough time of it as well. There aren't that many of us . . .

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ridiculous

This is terrible. How is this in ANY WAY related to MACINTOSH!!!???? or APPLE COMPUTERS!!!!???? Seriously, if you have nothing better to write about. please don't write about anything.

terrible!
 
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......Tyler Durden: Keep it up then.

You must stop watching Fight Club if you relate life to it.


You pay for iLife if you want it without buying a Mac and you get the software included in the price of a new Mac. So yes, it's "free" in the same way one of the items in a buy-1-get-1-free sale is free.


So next time, you ask for the free item only in that 'buy 1 get 1 free' offer! Anyway, even if you can get something for free in any sort of offer does not make that item generally free.

I'm sorry to bring up the issue, but there have been a number of posts recently about G..band (I don't want those red letters).
 
you suckers on this site make me sick! You aren't mad at Apple and the iphone. You are just a bunch of f****** tired and bored a** consumers looking for the next gadget to fill your tech need. You are a product of mass consumption dude. Google has to diversify or die. They can only play the search engine biz model for so long. Wallstreet and the investors want more and so Google has had to engage in the cell phone game so Wallstreet can raise that stock. I can't believe you idiots really believe the efforts by Google is to bring you out of the dark and into the light. This is big corporate business and YOU are being swept away. And by the looks of it. The comments on this thread have shown you have done most of the work for them. Pat your self on the back

And don't forget Apple built the iphone from the ground along with the OS that powers it. So, one software update and what ever Google puts out, Apple already has an answer to it. Remember, Apple doesn't sit around buying rebrands like the pc guys. The make their swag. hardware and software. They pioneered the game. So stop diluting yourself with these grandiose predictions on the demise of Apple.

you're grossly misinformed. Google went public in 2004 for $80. 97% of Googles revenue is from advertising (most recent quarterly report)

so by your logic, wall street is willing to pay a 700% premium ($590 stock price) in a company that "only last in the search biz for so long"

Google will do fine in the long run, as their profit margins are 28% higher than apples..
 
you're grossly misinformed. Google went public in 2004 for $80. 97% of Googles revenue is from advertising (most recent quarterly report)

so by your logic, wall street is willing to pay a 700% premium ($590 stock price) in a company that "only last in the search biz for so long"

Google will do fine in the long run, as their profit margins are 28% higher than apples..

Google went Public at $85, closed the first day just over $100 and by January, 2005 was about to hit $200. The stock was $465 by January 2006.

Yes, this stock is a product of Wall Street over valuation.
 
Seriously

I really don't understand how this relates to iPhones. Good that Apple gets competition, but again, not even the HTC "an Hero" can compete with the iPhone in sales nor functionality, and the video rendering of the former stinks in comparison as well. Regardless of specs, why would a "Google phone" compete with the iPhone in the first place? They are both touch-screen smartphones but in totally different niches. You know, just the name "Google phone" gives me the chills, as I imagine tiny adds ticking in whilst I'm writing an SMS or adding a contact to my list.
 
Google went Public at $85, closed the first day just over $100 and by January, 2005 was about to hit $200. The stock was $465 by January 2006.

Yes, this stock is a product of Wall Street over valuation.

huh??? you don't even know what valuation is.

A stock that is $5 could be more expensive than BRK-A shares, that are currently $99,000 per share... now if you understand why, then you might be qualified to make statements about equities and "valuations"
 
Nothing person, but why do people always say this?

Think about Apple's history and then name one instance where Apple directly reacted to a competitor. They just don't do it. They pick their own path and go. I've never seen an instance of Apple reacting to what their competition were doing. If that were the case, we'd have an Apple netbook, dirt-cheap Macbooks, subscription-based iTunes, a video game console, a touch-screen iMac, a 10-button mouse with 3 scroll wheels and a mini-joystick, cheap Macs next to the $300 Wal-mart PCs, a mid-range Mac tower, a media center edition of OS X, Apple-branded phones for other carriers and OS X would be available to buy for generic PCs. Also, the iPod Classic and the all-in-one iMac wouldn't even exist.

I understand the idea that competition is good for a given market, but Apple has almost consistently stayed out of the fray and gone on their own path (their saving grace being, of course, that nobody can ever foresee where that path is going.) If you think Google's phone is going to spur Apple into doing some wannabe type moves, think again. I never happens.

+++ QFT

Apple selects (or defines) the playing fields on which it competes-- it could care less about the traditional frays of all the other players. They are minor distractions to Apple but seem to monopolize the attention/capital/existence of all the others.

I believe that the next big thing that Apple delivers will suck all the air out of the competitors' offerings and send them scrambling...

Apple has within its means the ability to deliver a powerful, ubiquitous, low-cost appliance that will blow away phones, mobile devices, laptops and many desktops as we now know them.

It will deliver on the promise of OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) but take it to another level: MTPP (Multiple Tablets Per Person)...

And, Awaaay we go!!!

Sorry to HiJack the thread!

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Competition is not about who has better number like Mhz, RAM, GB and so on ;) Competition is about the "Wow effect". Goole missed it by almost 3 years. Time machine is still not available. Ir taip tu gaidys.
For most consumers price is everything, and since the iPhone is locked... they have to resort to jail breaking. Which is still considered dangerous (voids your warranty) and thus I would say a plus for the Google phone.

But more importantly; The iPhone has lost its wow effect already. Presumably because of the many other phones with even better features. Not to mention that the battery in the iPhone can't be replaced and isn't that great after all. I mean not when you use your iPhone as much as I am – running into the limited life span (1000 charges).
 
Google went Public at $85, closed the first day just over $100 and by January, 2005 was about to hit $200. The stock was $465 by January 2006.

Yes, this stock is a product of Wall Street over valuation.

++++ fully agree

the trades are on expectations, not on value
 
+++ QFT

Apple selects (or defines) the playing fields on which it competes-- it could care less about the traditional frays of all the other players. They are minor distractions to Apple but seem to monopolize the attention/capital/existence of all the others.

I believe that the next big thing that Apple delivers will suck all the air out of the competitors' offerings and send them scrambling...

Apple has within its means the ability to deliver a powerful, ubiquitous, low-cost appliance that will blow away phones, mobile devices, laptops and many desktops as we now know them.

It will deliver on the promise of OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) but take it to another level: MTPP (Multiple Tablets Per Person)...

And, Awaaay we go!!!

Sorry to HiJack the thread!

*

Thus the switch to Intel chips a few years ago...it surely had nothing to do with competition...

I wish Verizon would get some better phones...I've thought about the Droid, but i'm not so confident in Motorola...Google phone to Verizon!
 
For most consumers price is everything, and since the iPhone is locked... they have to resort to jail breaking. Which is still considered dangerous (voids your warranty) and thus I would say a plus for the Google phone.

But more importantly; The iPhone has lost its wow effect already. Presumably because of the many other phones with even better features. Not to mention that the battery in the iPhone can't be replaced and isn't that great after all. I mean not when you use your iPhone as much as I am – running into the limited life span (1000 charges).

What better features? Slightly better cameras? Screens that are marginally higher resolution?

I've nothing against Android et al, but in comparing the Eris and the Droid to even an iPhone 2g, it would be difficult to total more "pros" in the Android column than in the iPhone column. Now service on the other hand...

I only bring this up because it seems to be taken as a foregone conclusion that the newest Android phones have already outstripped the competition. I would argue that if you gave 100 people their choice of either Droid or 3GS on the carrier of their choice 80 would choose the iPhone. (I know, the carrier thing is a massive caveat.)
 
tmobile? perhaps the only worse choice than at&t. good luck with that carrier.

other than that, i welcome competition to the iphone!

From coast to coast I've had better luck with T-Mobile than AT&T. But hey, YMMV.

I'll take T-Mobile any day over the crap service AT&T provides.

DirectX is pretty nice and defiantly something to be a fan of. The Visual Studio suite is another awesome thing from microsoft... and what is wrong with exchange?

The same could be said for apple..... Oh wow, iLife is so great!? Sweet a photo manager that is comparable to multiple free tools on the internet.. Oh, but there is also garage band... which again can be replaced by better free apps..... iWeb, yeah lets create some outdated html templates!

iWork? The "office" suite that can hardly be used with any business as it is only sort of compatible (exporting/importing docx is not 100% compatible)

iTunes? The stupid softwre that won't let me manage my own music and always has to show its ugly face?

Which music production app that is free is better than GB? Keep in mind the number of AU and AUi plug-ins included, the feature set, and the integration into the rest of the iLife suite.
 
From coast to coast I've had better luck with T-Mobile than AT&T. But hey, YMMV.

I'll take T-Mobile any day over the crap service AT&T provides.

I agree... I have T-Mobile and my girlfriend has AT&T, and T-Mobile is usually better in terms of coverage. Customer service is hands-down better for T-Mobile. As mentioned above, YMMV.
 
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torbjoern said:
Seriously

I really don't understand how this relates to iPhones. Good that Apple gets competition, but again, not even the HTC "an Hero" can compete with the iPhone in sales nor functionality, and the video rendering of the former stinks in comparison as well. Regardless of specs, why would a "Google phone" compete with the iPhone in the first place? They are both touch-screen smartphones but in totally different niches. You know, just the name "Google phone" gives me the chills, as I imagine tiny adds ticking in whilst I'm writing an SMS or adding a contact to my list.

Well put you imagination to rest as there are no ads in Android OS.

Weren't people on these boards chest thumping a little while ago about the admob stats when it comes to advertising?

Ads on iPhone apps: Good!
Imaginary ads in Android OS: Worst. Thing. Ever. (Not to worry as this statement is complete, uninformed ********)
 
Thus the switch to Intel chips a few years ago...it surely had nothing to do with competition...

I remember the announcement well! SJ said they were changing to Intel because the PPC roadmap did not allow Apple to do some of the things they wanted to do. I don't believe that the switch was so much in response to competition as to give Apple the opportunity to create or enter new markets.

If it had been primarily competition, I think Apple would have offered: more configurations, more open boxes, lower prices and licensed OS X on other manufacturers boxes.

Interestingly, they chose ARM for the iPhone/Touch and appear to be following that roadmap for their Tablet... If competition were a primary motivation wouldn't they use Atom or other Intel chips to match the low end competitors.

When asked, years ago, why he chose the 6502 instead of the 80xx for the Apple, Woz said because it was cheaper and he could do more creative things with it.

I think that attitude still drives apple today: build the [creative] things they, themselves, would want to buy... at a reasonable cost.

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"...this phone will be Google's pure vision of what a phone should be"

Well, at least until Schmidt runs out of things stolen from the boardroom....
 
Ads on iPhone apps: Good!
Imaginary ads in Android OS: Worst. Thing. Ever. (Not to worry as this statement is complete, uninformed ********)
Actually, I agree with you on ads in the iPhone apps - as opposed to bloating the bundled default-software for messaging, contact-lists, etc - being good. Then you choose the ads when downloading the app, not when purchasing the phone.

Look, I never presented false accusations against Google, it's just that my imagination runs wild when I hear the term "Google phone", which in my opinion I made perfectly clear. Where would we be without imagination? :D
 
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