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Ok I'm having a fanboi moment thanks to my 2016 MBP
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I quite like it and for me, it's exactly what I wanted. I do notice a lot of the hate is coming from people with a 2015 model though.
I don't think a laptop should ever be the most powerful thing in the office, and I wanted a reasonably powerful device that was portable. Not an epic powerhouse that weighed far too much and heated up my coffee whilst using it. In the reality of the working world, a more powerful laptop will produce a lot of work quicker, but not all. I find this bottleneck occurs during rendering, where it takes let's say an hour. I am in no way going to sit there for an hour whilst it does its thing, so a more powerful laptop doing it in 50 minutes makes no difference. I will leave it overnight, leave it and make phone calls, even pop to the shop. Doesn't matter. Bonus is that when I need to move it, it's nice and portable. The very definition of what a laptop should be, to me.
So I was after something in this form, and a better screen. Couldn't care less about ports as they change all the time so it's irrelevant, though USB-C seems to be here to stay which is nice. Apple delivered quite nicely on what I wanted, SD card slot would've been nice but is in no way a deal breaker. So my 13" 2011 can now retire and I'm happy.
I don't think a laptop should ever be the most powerful thing in the office, and I wanted a reasonably powerful device that was portable. Not an epic powerhouse that weighed far too much and heated up my coffee whilst using it. In the reality of the working world, a more powerful laptop will produce a lot of work quicker, but not all. I find this bottleneck occurs during rendering, where it takes let's say an hour. I am in no way going to sit there for an hour whilst it does its thing, so a more powerful laptop doing it in 50 minutes makes no difference. I will leave it overnight, leave it and make phone calls, even pop to the shop. Doesn't matter. Bonus is that when I need to move it, it's nice and portable. The very definition of what a laptop should be, to me.
So I was after something in this form, and a better screen. Couldn't care less about ports as they change all the time so it's irrelevant, though USB-C seems to be here to stay which is nice. Apple delivered quite nicely on what I wanted, SD card slot would've been nice but is in no way a deal breaker. So my 13" 2011 can now retire and I'm happy.
Hard to let someone enjoy their purchase? Really important to try to make them feel bad, just because you don't like it?
You must be really fun at parties.
Coming from a 2011 MBP, the new keyboard is taking some getting used to. I like the feel of it, just not all the typing mistakes I am making right now.
Methinks you are being a tad bit dramatic.
But in all honesty, the keyboard is actually excellent. I get that it's a totally personal preference but you should try it out in the Apple Store if you can. I had a first generation MacBook whose keyboard I did not like at all the new Pro's is a dramatic improvement. I also had a Lenovo X1 so I'm a bit of a keyboard 'snob' too and I really like the Pro's new keyboard. Apple made this work brilliantly with so little key travel, but it has a very stable and high end feel when typing on it. Battery life too is more than fine - I'm finding my 13" w/touchbar to be around 7-9 hours in real world usage. I run Coconut Battery monitor and I'm generally drawing 5-7 watts in use and it can go as low as 3 watts or so when browsing a webpage that's already loaded up and when the brightness is down for a dark environment.
The display improvements aren't talked about much but this is the best display I've ever used on a laptop, bar none, and the touchbar is a truly useful tool, at least for the way I use my laptop. The potential of the touchbar is enormous.
Anyway, dramatics aside, you are totally right on the price - you are definitely paying a premium for the Pro with the touchbar but the reality is that this is a premium (and then some) machine and well worth the money for those willing/able to afford it.
With "we", you mean YOU. At both my office and my client, I've got a USB hub. I've already ordered two replacement cables to the hub, and then I'm done. I don't want a USB-A port on the machine that's going to last 4-7 years.
Yeah people that don't like it want to stop in every thread and throw in some whiny BS, because you know god forbid someone likes something they don't.
Exactly. If we look at USB-A/B, that really took off with Windows 98. That's 18 years ago! It wouldn't surprise me if USB-C will last us another 20 years.
Now add two things: 1) MacBooks last a long time and 2) we don't really have major jumps in CPU speed anymore. Then you can imagine that these laptops will easily last 7 or more years.
In 7 years, I think people will love that those ports are USB-C.
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Haven't received mine. But in the last The New Screensavers podcast, Leo Laporte mentioned that after using the keyboard for some time, he stopped "banging" on the keyboard. And started typing more lightly.
But as an aside, I bought a 9.7" iPad Pro and a pencil, downloaded the app Notability, and just take notes that way. It's very quiet and very fast.
My 15" keyboard is quieter than my old 13" MBA and quieter than the 13" '16 non-touch I exchanged for the 15". I'm a touch typer who learned on a electric typewriter in the 1980's....I love this keyboard. It's not loud at all for me.
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I was just about to post this thought myself! I've seen crappy photographers with "pro" level Canon, Leicas, etc. And I know real pros who can create "pro" level imagery with any camera you give them. I'd say a pro computer is one that works your needs and is one that allows you do to do what you do for a living and make an income with it. A "pro" laptop will be different for a video editor, an attorney, a programmer or an IT guy....there is no definition of a pro level tool IMO.
Personally, I like the minimum gear to get the job done. The 15", so far is hitting that for me. Enough for what I need today and should be enough for at least 3-5 years forward as well. I have a 2016 MBr 12" m5 I'm likely going to sell. Love it! But it does what I need today, barely and would likely need to be upgraded in 12-18 months....I want my laptop to have a longer life and not "need" to be replaced every 1-2 years. Plus the 15 has allowed me to ditch my 2012 desktop mini i7 quad core 16G + SSD and streamline my gear
I'm also tired of the term "pro" it needs to go.
Pro doesn't mean someone who does photoshop rendering or video editing. It means a professional. A doctor, a lawyer, a mid level manager who sits on email all day, a salesman, a software developer ... anyone except someone who flips burgers at McDonalds... but heck, even a store manager is a "pro". Sure it also includes graphic designers, video editors, etc... but the reality is those people make up less than 1% of the professional workforce.
An unemployed man can be rich and a rich man can be unemployed. An employed man can be rich and an rich man can be poor. Stop lumping 99% of mac users into the less than 1% of users who actively edit video and render photos as a PROFESSION. The reality is 99%+ of Mac users who use mac personally or professionally don't do either of those tasks.
Professional is not "Video Rendering\Photoshopping" it's anyone who uses a computer to do anything in regards to their profession. If you're a salesman and all you do is check email, you're a PRO.
Stop the idiocy saying this isn't a pro machine.
Pro doesn't mean someone who does photoshop rendering or video editing. It means a professional. A doctor, a lawyer, a mid level manager who sits on email all day, a salesman, a software developer ... anyone except someone who flips burgers at McDonalds... but heck, even a store manager is a "pro". Sure it also includes graphic designers, video editors, etc... but the reality is those people make up less than 1% of the professional workforce.
An unemployed man can be rich and a rich man can be unemployed. An employed man can be rich and an rich man can be poor. Stop lumping 99% of mac users into the less than 1% of users who actively edit video and render photos as a PROFESSION. The reality is 99%+ of Mac users who use mac personally or professionally don't do either of those tasks.
Professional is not "Video Rendering\Photoshopping" it's anyone who uses a computer to do anything in regards to their profession. If you're a salesman and all you do is check email, you're a PRO.
Stop the idiocy saying this isn't a pro machine.
It is just a name, 'pro' as a suffix has been applied to a lot of things throughout marketing history as something to denote a higher end product. It is not called the 'MacBook Professional Working Person Laptop', just the 'MacBook Pro'. Maybe they should called it the 'PowerBook' to denote the higher performance as a lot of people seem confused by the term 'Pro'.
The Pro moniker is of course a marketing tool. The point being made by many is that the latest generation is more for looks than for real work. Keyboard is a compromise, battery life is a compromise, port situation is a compromise, upgratability is a compromise, all in the name of looks. Yes it has a great screen, and no, it's not a horrible laptop. Unfortunately for heavy users (development with multiple VMs, heavy video encoding and processing, typing a ton, etc.) there is really not much to appreciate here.
And to think that if it was just few millimeters thicker, the keyboard could've stayed the same, battery could've been bigger, and they could've had 3 USB-C ports on one side, and USB-A, HDMI, SD slot on the other. It would've been a killer machine for a much broader audience. I mean, it's not like the 15" is going to be bought by the crowd that thought last year's model was too heavy.
And to think that if it was just few millimeters thicker, the keyboard could've stayed the same, battery could've been bigger, and they could've had 3 USB-C ports on one side, and USB-A, HDMI, SD slot on the other. It would've been a killer machine for a much broader audience. I mean, it's not like the 15" is going to be bought by the crowd that thought last year's model was too heavy.
Just picked up mine and I love it as well. Everything about it is amazing and extremely fast. Yes I spent more money than I wanted, but I am overall happy about the purchase.
LOL. That was an even more extreme case than mine. I had a friend in the US order it for me, so it went to US from China by Fedex only to be resent by my friend by Fedex to me (I was somewhere in Africa at the time).
Imagine having to track the package not once, but twice until it arrived. The day it arrived in the morning I just didn't show up at work
Install this as your login item. Then go fanboy crazy some mo.
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2016/11/tu...m-knight-rider-compute-like-david-hasselhoff/
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I really think the bottom line is pretty simple if you had a 2015 than this makes little sense as the jump is clearly not the biggest unless your hell bent to have USB-C and have a toucher and you actually want a lighter unit. I think those qualify for the upgrade from 2015 otherwise its a weak argument in a way. You may gain some speed but certainly not going to shave a hour off your day computing. I think this makes more sense with older machines you have that need a update and you want to gain these new features. Honestly i had a high end 2013 and i thought long and hard about this, its big money i could spend somewhere else. I actually sold a couple lenses to help pay for it. For me i thought it was worth the update to USB-C even though not that relevant today and I had a big crack in my trackpad as well that was bugging me and hell lets face it I have a big 60 BD coming. My wife would not be buying me a bigger toy either. LOL
So I treated myself but also I thought about it an thought going forward this was a good idea and for business it will earn me some money by saving me some time. So having a pretty valid reason is great and i think our older machines that folks have its a nice update to replace them. i do NOT think if i had a 2015 i would jump as quickly. So for those folks just keep using what you have for another go round. No one is twisting your arm to buy. But i will say given all that these are damn cool machine. LOL
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Really there only a compromise if you think they are not everyone will agree with you here. i actually like the ports, keyboard and USB-C and neither one of us are right or wrong its just a preference. Very hard to generalize as we all think diffrently.
So I treated myself but also I thought about it an thought going forward this was a good idea and for business it will earn me some money by saving me some time. So having a pretty valid reason is great and i think our older machines that folks have its a nice update to replace them. i do NOT think if i had a 2015 i would jump as quickly. So for those folks just keep using what you have for another go round. No one is twisting your arm to buy. But i will say given all that these are damn cool machine. LOL
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Really there only a compromise if you think they are not everyone will agree with you here. i actually like the ports, keyboard and USB-C and neither one of us are right or wrong its just a preference. Very hard to generalize as we all think diffrently.
Also I think this is Apple best selling MacBook Pro model? So they must be doing something right and matching what people want.
I agree, that was kinda the basis of my ramble. LOL. The issue is Apple has let the term get out of control. The iPad Pro... what's Pro about it that's not Pro about the iPad Air? And with computers it's getting more confusing. Macbook, Macbook Air, Mac Powerful? Mac Ultra? Mac Big? The problem is when you assign terms like that, there's no way to eclipse it with a newer, better product without devaluing the brand "Pro" or "Elite" (as HP likes to use).
I guess it could be worse... could be talking about the Google Nexus... which the latest and greatest is the Nexus 5, unlike the older Nexus 8 (they name based on size not based on chronological release order). I can't wait until Windows 6 comes out. LOL
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Exactly. I've got a 2013 MBA and it'll be a big upgrade. Strictly speaking, it's not necessary. But everyone has to decide for themselves. I found out that getting new hardware every now and then somehow keeps me enthusiastic for the platform. I get back on the forum, I write more on my weblog, I get interested in reading about it, etc.
Sure it's mainly used for work but staying happy at work is worth something for me.
You can't compare the release. They basically flatened the entire laptop product line. The 13" macbook pro singlehandedly replaced everything from the base Air to all Macbook Pro models. The Air is dead (for all intensive purposes). I don't see a future for the Macbook, as those people don't really have the "I don't want a big fat heavy pro" argument anymore.
So it'd be like if they cut all other models of iPhone and release 1 version of iPhone 8 and say "it's our best selling iPhone yet!" LOL... I don't think their PR department would say "with this release, we're offering the slimmest (by number of options) of laptop computers ever!" LOL
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HAHA, better be careful, Apple is going to have this line on their next billboard campaign. LOL
That is one explanation, and it's a valid one.
Another is, that Apple is saying: no more compromises. We gave you iCloulaptop you can easily switch between macs. So we're going to give you an iMac with a giant 5K screen. And we're going to give you the thinnest laptop we can make.
If you don't like the new Macs, or you like them but can't see yourself being able to make practical use of every new feature, that doesn't spell doom and gloom for Apple, as so many here have been predicting.
Stop trying to make other forum members feel stupid because they like the new Mac(s) they purchased.
I think most of us who come to the forum do so because we like Apple products, and we like learning and helping one another. Liking Apple products doesn't mean you necessarily like every thing Apple says or produces. It doesn't necessarily mean that one is an apologist or blind sheep for liking the new Macs and having the temerity to disagree with you (plural use).
In my opinion, the level of discourse needs to be raised from the murky depths of ad hominem attacks and other mindless drivel that serves no other purpose than to incite and inflame others.
Climb off your high horses. Find a Mac or Windows computer that works best for you, and worry about your own spending habits and needs, instead of parading around the forum trying to get others to justify their purchase(s) to you.
If my post doesn't strike a guilty nerve in you, move on to another post. If you do feel guilty about something, reflect on that within yourself and take action as need be.
Start trying to help one another, instead of spending so much time trying to tear down someone else.
Stop trying to make other forum members feel stupid because they like the new Mac(s) they purchased.
I think most of us who come to the forum do so because we like Apple products, and we like learning and helping one another. Liking Apple products doesn't mean you necessarily like every thing Apple says or produces. It doesn't necessarily mean that one is an apologist or blind sheep for liking the new Macs and having the temerity to disagree with you (plural use).
In my opinion, the level of discourse needs to be raised from the murky depths of ad hominem attacks and other mindless drivel that serves no other purpose than to incite and inflame others.
Climb off your high horses. Find a Mac or Windows computer that works best for you, and worry about your own spending habits and needs, instead of parading around the forum trying to get others to justify their purchase(s) to you.
If my post doesn't strike a guilty nerve in you, move on to another post. If you do feel guilty about something, reflect on that within yourself and take action as need be.
Start trying to help one another, instead of spending so much time trying to tear down someone else.
*Initiates slow clap
(Seriously read that and imagined you stood on some boxes in a Best-Buy or something)
Great post. I've adopted a zero tolerance policy. If I see someone spewing hate, I click on their username and click ignore. Never see them, never hear them again.
Like you, I come here to learn and help others if I can. I'm relatively new to the platform (Snow Leopard) and still discover new stuff here.
