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OLD MBP vs. NEW MB/MBP

pyromaniaque said:
Which were you referring to as thinner?
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I don't care too much about a trackpad. If it works, it works. What I DO hate is that when you use a laptop often, the trackpad becomes worn out, which makes it a tad bit harder to slide on as nicely as you would want. Since the new one is made of glass, is this more or less going to be nonexistant?
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My total body InvisibleSHIELD is like an amazing invisible force field that protects everythign from general wear and oils. Including the trackpad itself.

e12a said:
The new MBP isn't really bad. I just dont like the loss of a firewire 400 port (unlike a 56k modem, a lot of people still use FW400), Mini-DP, and other first gen quibbles.
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Actually, I liked having a modem port. No, not for wireless dial-up Internet connection (though that is better than nothing when it's the only available option and need to get e-mail in a pinch). I like having it for receiving faxes, which I do from clients with contracts to be returned. And no, I don't have an e-mail or Internet-based fax service that I pay regularly for, though I suppose one could go that route if they didn't mind a regular fee.

My point is that the modem itself can still come in handy from time to time. But I got the Apple USB modem with my new MBP. You're always gonna give up something even when you gain. In this case it is the modem port, FireWire 400 and the matte screen, though I like glossy too. And of course no more 4:3 screen for older/standard definition videos and no Classic support, which I very occasionally use).
 
pyromaniaque said:
Which were you referring to as thinner?
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I don't care too much about a trackpad. If it works, it works. What I DO hate is that when you use a laptop often, the trackpad becomes worn out, which makes it a tad bit harder to slide on as nicely as you would want. Since the new one is made of glass, is this more or less going to be nonexistant?
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the early 2008 MBP is still thinner than the new Unibody Macbook. The new Unibody Macbook Pro, however is slightly thinner than the last gen MBP.
 
e12a said:
the early 2008 MBP is still thinner than the new Unibody Macbook. The new Unibody Macbook Pro, however is slightly thinner than the last gen MBP.
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Really, that's a new one? I though that the unibody mb and mbp had the same thickness, which would mean that they are thinner than the previous generations'
 
e12a said:
2. The later MBPs now ship with a REV2 logic board, and future logic board repairs are now using REV2 boards. Nvidia issue is done and gone. The *600 will ALWAYS be better than the *400. Even if its one generation ahead.
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How sure are you about this? If this is the case, then how come there is still heated debated regarding this issue?

Also, in the future, when I resell my laptop on ebay (refurb mbp vs. new mb, providing that I don't tell them it's a refurb)to get a fancier one, which would have the higher resell value in maybe two years?
 
pyromaniaque said:
Really, that's a new one? I though that the unibody mb and mbp had the same thickness, which would mean that they are thinner than the previous generations'
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Unibody MB - .95" thick

Classic MBP - 1.0" thick

Unibody MBP - .95" thick

The unibody MBP is a little bit wider and longer than the Classic. The MB isn't much smaller than either.

pyromaniaque said:
How sure are you about this? If this is the case, then how come there is still heated debated regarding this issue?

Also, in the future, when I resell my laptop on ebay (refurb mbp vs. new mb, providing that I don't tell them it's a refurb)to get a fancier one, which would have the higher resell value in maybe two years?
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Until we see a rev2 board fail, it can be assumed that it is true. I was told the same thing by an escalated technician. Heat is debated because people generally don't know the heat specs of a CPU and automatically assume their temps are not normal.

As far as not telling someone it's a refurb, you can tell by the serial number. Refurbs have different serial numbers than retail models.

As far as resale value, nobody can really tell which model will be worth more in two years - that is too far into the future and really depends on what is released between now and then.
 
lol my mistake...for some reason i could have sworn the new one was a tad thicker...got mixed up with te old MB.

but still, i support my point about the early 08 MBP being a better bargain than the new Unibody Macbook.

There is still a heated debate about the nvidia boards, because its obvious Apple didn't go out and replace every single logic board that has had or will have a problem in the future. I'm saying that if you do need to get it fixed, rest assured the logic board you're getting is NOT the same as the original. I'm sure about it because the Part # for the old logic board and the new one is different. The service site states that the new part # has been substituted for the previous model, and it also says "REV2" on the part name.
 
I wrote up an article on my journal providing my take on the differences between the new MBP and my older MBP. Perhaps there will be something of interest to you there, and it will help in making your decision.
 
pyromaniaque said:
Valid Point. In an ideal world, everyone would have applecare, thus no one would really have a need to be worried.
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and GPU repairs are covered for 2 years after purchase, applecare or not.

but who buys a mac w/o applecare anywho? You'd still would want it for your first gen uni macbook if you end up getting that one.
 
OP, personally I like the classic MBP best. I've waited until the Oct's mbp revision to jump on the 17" deal that has the high-res lcd as standard. I opted for the 2.6ghz, 320gb 7200rpm hdd and matte version circa $2700+, and it's arriving on the first week of Decmber. Personally, what drives me to the 17" classic is it's "less is more" appearance - the all-around aluminium look, bigger and closer keycaps, and the high-res matte lcd option. Under Apple website, this revised 17" is termed as "Late 2008 Macbook Pro 17 inch".

If you take a look at the refurbish store, you can get almost the same spec (except for the 200gb hdd) for $2399. However I highly suspect these are the "early 2008 mbp 17 inch". Apple specifically stated that the faulty 8600 gpu are affected on the "early 2008 mbps", and therefore I can safely infer from this statement that the "late 2008 mbp 17 inch" have the revised 8600 gpu. That's one of the reasons why I didn't go refurbish, another because I'm not from the states, and they don't offer this spec over at the refurb store here.

Depending if you're looking to buy the 17", that's the only differences between going refurbish and the main store. But since Apple has issued another year of Applecare on the gpu, at 15, I would opt the refurbish way -- that's if you are looking for the 17" version. For 15", you have to go refurbish anyway, or other autohrized retailers.
 
wahgnube said:
I wrote up an article on my journal providing my take on the differences between the new MBP and my older MBP. Perhaps there will be something of interest to you there, and it will help in making your decision.
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But in your blog, you compared it to the 2006 MBP, which isn't really a fair comparison at all.
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In terms, of design, how dirty does the new mbp's screen get?
How light is the new MB/MBP compared to the old MBP?
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And what's the deal with matte vs. glossy? Glossy is better isn't it? I remember the last time I tried to buy a Sony Vaio, they tried to charge me like fifty bucks more for glossy.

Also, if it's a piece of glass that is over the screen, it wouldn't really constitute as a "glossy screen" per se.

Finally, regarding the screen, do matte screens get as dirty as glossy screens and does anyone have a picture of what a MBP with matte screen look like when it's on?
 
Regarding matte vs glossy, it's a matter of personal preference. Both will smudge easily (keep those hands off the screen) but glossy will be easier to clean. Glossy generally has better contrast, while matte has better color representation. A serious graphic artist would almost always choose matte. An average user will choose glossy most of the time. Glossy also reflects light a lot more, so if you don't want things reflecting in your screen, go for the matte. It personally doesn't bother me. I've had both glossy and matte Macbooks and prefer glossy.
 
I think I'm going to go for the new Macbook Pro. My uncle bought his today, and does not like it, and since I'm his nephew, he's willing to sell it for 1100 to me. It was the 2500 one.

Thanks to ya'll for all the advice.
 
That is correct, I am not :D That's why I just went with what looked better to me. Not saying you couldn't do fine with glossy as a graphic artist, just that given a choice, just about everyone I've spoken to prefers the matte for graphic work.

As to the OP's choice, a new MBP for $1,100 is a killer deal, just go for it and enjoy.
 
New Macbook Pro keyboard...

Hey there everyone, Tom here I'm new to this forum so I really hope I've come to the right section - I'm slowly working it out!

Unfortunately, my Norwegian Macbook Pro was stolen a few days ago and as I am living in England I had to take a trip to Pc World to get another. I was surprised to find that my MBPro had already been superceded by this newer, shinier and (I think) slightly more elegant version. I still love my old one however...

The question is, where can I buy a new Macbook Pro keyboard with Å, Ø and Æ on along with all of the odd umlauts and stuff we have on our keyboard? I was planning on buying one and clicking (can I say that?) off the keys and putting them on this Pro. I have checked on eBay but alas no one is selling them yet. Where can I find or purchase a foreign keyboard?

Thanks very much for your help!
 
go to an apple store or a service center. They should be able to order a foreign keyboard of your choice.
 
naid said:
Not saying you couldn't do fine with glossy as a graphic artist, just that given a choice, just about everyone I've spoken to prefers the matte for graphic work.
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Well, the reality is that most professional graphic artists I know still use the old reliable CTR monitors for serious graphic/photography work. LCD screens are no comparison, glossy or matte. :)
 
MBPDiva said:
Well, the reality is that most professional graphic artists I know still use the old reliable CTR monitors for serious graphic/photography work. LCD screens are no comparison, glossy or matte. :)
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They probably don't have their monitors facing a window though...and LCD screens can compare, they'll just cost in the thousands. See Eizo.

The computer industry as a whole still goes by glossy=consumer and matte=professional. I've yet to find a business laptop (or professional monitor) with a glossy screen.
 
toxic said:
The computer industry as a whole still goes by glossy=consumer and matte=professional. I've yet to find a business laptop (or professional monitor) with a glossy screen.
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All CTR screens that I work with are reflective/glossy (hello? They are made out of glass). I have never had a problem with glare while the monitor is on. I've yet to see a professional CTR monitor with a matte screen. And of course we don't point our monitors at a window. My work is done in a dimly lit room with a hood on my Lacie monitor.
 
MBPDiva said:
All CTR screens that I work with are reflective/glossy (hello? They are made out of glass). I have never had a problem with glare while the monitor is on. I've yet to see a professional CTR monitor with a matte screen. And of course we don't point our monitors at a window. My work is done in a dimly lit room with a hood on my Lacie monitor.
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Aren't they "CRT" screens???

Actually, I still want to understand the difference in composition or material in the matte, glossy and new "super glossy" glass screens. Are the new glass screens just the previous glossy with a glass shield? Also, aren't all MacBooks (not Pro's) glossy? The last matte consumer notebook was the iBook right?
 
MBPDiva said:
All CTR screens that I work with are reflective/glossy (hello? They are made out of glass). I have never had a problem with glare while the monitor is on. I've yet to see a professional CTR monitor with a matte screen. And of course we don't point our monitors at a window. My work is done in a dimly lit room with a hood on my Lacie monitor.
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I was talking about LCDs in that second paragraph. and it's CRT (cathode-ray tube).
 
do not compare CRT glossy screens to laptop glossy screens. most quality CRTs are anti-glare coated indicated by the subdued, purple tinged reflection. Not like the literal unabated reflections found on most glossy laptop lcd panels. Apples and oranges people.

the macbook pro glossy screens including the Unibody model are not that reflective when compared to the panels of HPs and others for some reason. Those are just too reflective
 
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