OLED iPad Pro Users Report 'Grainy' Displays, But It May Not Be a Defect

[Thought Thinking Thought]

TBH OLED could get burn-in when it was only capable of 600 nits peak brightness, and not running at peak brightness. The killer was static images (HUDs in games, static TV channel logos). All tandem does I think is probably double the chance of burn-in with 2 layers working at ~600 nits each. Unless I'm missing something.

Would it be as noticeable given the double layer compensating for early organic LED death? I figured the lower current running through each LED to achieve the same level of brightness as before (because there are ~twice as many of the same organic LEDs in tandem as in single) would mean that those LEDs would be more resilient even in the face of static images and displayed logos, but I'm also uncertain to be honest and definitely stand to be corrected...

 

[incidentallycheckout]

I returned mine. The only appealing upgrade here was the screen so without that being great, it is hardly worth it.

 

[Mescagnus]

As stated in the other threads, I had this, returned and got a new one, no problems with the new one, grain is gone. But yellow tint remains that I have to dial out with accessibility colour tinting

Thanks for pointing this out.

So it's a lottery with the new Pro's display, just like panel lottery on many OLED televisions.

My experience with LG OLEDs is that the higher-end models (such as the G-series) have less of a lottery, because LG uses more stringent quality control for their more expensive models. My understanding is that the panels are also graded by their quality at the factory.

It's good to know there are 11" iPad Pros without the grain issue. When I get my new Pro, I'll exchange it if it has this issue.

 

[Aroa]

Does it mean that it doesn't happen on nano texture version? Only glossy is affected?

 

[fockx]

You're watching it wrong.

 

[technoholic]

Thanks for pointing this out.

So it's a lottery with the new Pro's display, just like panel lottery on many OLED televisions.

My experience with LG OLEDs is that the higher-end models (such as the G-series) have less of a lottery, because LG uses more stringent quality control for their more expensive models. My understanding is that the panels are also graded by their quality at the factory.

It's good to know there are 11" iPad Pros without the grain issue. When I get my new Pro, I'll exchange it if it has this issue.

It seems to be a lottery yes, I guess I got unlucky with the first one. it was very noticeable especially in the UI elements in dark mode. which is what I use. The new one is night and day difference, if there is any grain, I can’t see it. I wish I could have done a side by side but now it looks how it should, except the colouring, which is still massively different from my M2 iPad, my MacBook Air and my iPhone.

 

[The Game 161]

And wasn’t blooming on all devices? I don’t have this issue on my new Pro.

not on mine either. this report suggests it's more on 11 inch? dunno

 

[AppelGeenyus]

If it’s super noticeable for you then your iPad is defective, it should be barely noticeable when looking up close.

 

[Armada2]

This iPad Pro seems to be off to a ROCKY start…

Hopefully the dust will settle...

 

[uacd]

Lol it is flickering, not grain.
Of course. Double Oled display with double brightness means lower flickering PWM frequency, to the point it will be visible. Back to the CRT TV era when you could stare into these flickers instead of watching content😃

Interesting how it is gonna play tho. Asking the users, does this “grain” give you headache overtime?

 

[sw1tcher]

OLED iPad Pro Users Report 'Grainy' Displays, But It May Not Be a Defect

Samsung supplies the displays for Apple's 11-inch M4 iPad Pro model, while LG Display supplies the panels for the 13-inch model.

So far most reports relate to the 11-inch iPad Pro, but there are one or two that reference the 13-inch model, so it is unclear if the potential defect – if it is indeed one – is specific to one OLED panel supplier.

Of course this "Grainy" display issue is mostly related to Samsung displays and less so with LG displays. It's in the company's name. LG stands for Less Grainy

 

[technoholic]

Lol it is flickering, not grain.
Of course. Double Oled display with double brightness means lower flickering PWM frequency, to the point it will be visible. Back to the CRT TV era when you could stare into these flickers instead of watching content😃

Interesting how it is gonna play tho. Asking the users, does this “grain” give you headache overtime?

This is a visual representation of what mine looked liked in real life, of course exaggerated.

New one is not like that at all, looks like the right

 

[mazz0]

This iPad Pro seems to be off to a ROCKY start…

Is there a joke I'm missing there?

 

[CloneBB]

Have a glossy Pro 13 and don’t see that at all. Screen is awesome! This a great upgrade, probably best iPad upgrade in a long time.

Positive posts are not allowed here.



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[WhiteHawk]

Can’t see any graininess on my 11 inch, even if I lower the brightness.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: I will NEVER buy an Apple Gen 1 product (as in the first version of a new generation) without waiting to see if there are issues.

 

[BorisDG]

The Steam Deck OLED has the same thing, you only notice it if you go looking for it in uniform gray areas

Same here on my Switch OLED, which is using Samsung panel. Actually most Steam Deck OLED are on Samsung (little % are using BOE panels). Both Switch and Steam Deck are using the same RGB pixel pattern (just like the iPad Pro M4) and not PenTile structure found on the smartphones.

 

[profH]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: I will NEVER buy an Apple Gen 1 product (as in the first version of a new generation) without waiting to see if there are issues.

Yes, this brilliant philosophy left me saddled with a late stage intel mba that I purchased shortly before the M1 was released. It’s not foolproof.

 

[Onelifenofear]

Consumer level high pixel density MLED is pretty much vaporware at this stage. Can't see it arriving any time soon. Or maybe even ever if it can't be made commercially viable. And honestly we really only have claims that it will right all the wrongs of OLED. Prophecy says it will be the perfect display tech but I've been hearing that about the next leap since 1998. In the meantime I am a gushing OLED fan but I know enough about it to approach a one thousand nit OLED iPad with extreme trepidation.

Sure. It's being developed. but a defiant order... GIANT screens and commercial use ( like The Volume use to make the Mandolorian etc ) then tiny stuff like watches and phones... then tablets then Monitors then TVs.

However the 2 reasons are productions of scale and because there is a lot sale left in OLED... I suspect until company makes the leap the others won't. OLED seems to have a 6 year life span... This is great for them. Not for us but if we keep buying them.

I'd not realised the sheer cost of the 10.1 inch panels that slot together to make these big TVs'. $5k for ONE 10.1" panel! that's crazy.

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[BeeeRick]

H.E. Pennypacker said:

This iPad Pro seems to be off to a ROCKY start…

Hopefully the dust will settle...

I don't know, I think when something like this gets inGRAINed in peoples heads, they won't let it go.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

A couple hundred bucks? You can’t get anything of value for a couple hundred bucks anymore.

This is a not-widely reported issue that’s visible under fun screens and flat grays. Give me a break.

If you paid $200 for other tablets, you get far more issues to live with that a specific set of grain causing conditions.

Yes, focus on my slight hyperbole, which was tangential to the main point.

 

[Darren.h]

first adopters. ouch. hope you got the cheap model.

 

[tomchr9]

It seems to be a lottery yes, I guess I got unlucky with the first one. it was very noticeable especially in the UI elements in dark mode. which is what I use. The new one is night and day difference, if there is any grain, I can’t see it. I wish I could have done a side by side but now it looks how it should, except the colouring, which is still massively different from my M2 iPad, my MacBook Air and my iPhone.

Did your initial 2024 iPad Pro exhibit the same colouring differences as your replacement? i find it odd that the differences are so massive.

 

[applepotato666]

My iPhone's display looks exactly as shown in those photos when I point a camera at it. Part of it is definitely the effect that happens when you photograph a display so perhaps it looks exaggerated on the photos. It looks like something that will get fixed with an update because there's nothing wrong with the pixels themselves physically if they're lit up. Maybe the tuning between the two panels is slightly off, it seems like a repeating pattern of pixels.

I'm more interested in grayscale uniformity across the panel after 3+ years of heavy use. We only have sketchy claims of this tech's ability to maintain durability while simultaneously pumping out a thousand nits day after day. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Call me in 2027 👍

I think it's theoretically going to be more durable than having one OLED panel. At regular brightness levels each pixel works half as hard and the individual LEDs break down less. But only time will tell.

 

[technoholic]

Did your initial 2024 iPad Pro exhibit the same colouring differences as your replacement? i find it odd that the differences are so massive.

Yes it did, but worse, not as bad on the second one but still worse than what I saw instore