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OMG. Please reserve all judgement on rMBP until you see it in person.

Kendo said:
Yes but your comments seem a little "hater-ish" when you consider the fact that they are essentially the same computer - two 15" MacBook Pros that run OS X. Sure one is lighter, one has a better screen, but they both serve essentially the same purpose of computing in a 15" format.

If a person decides to eat a cheeseburger from Mcdonald's instead of Burger King, one can state they like McDonald's more but they won't go on to say the BK is bad cuz the grill marks on the burger aren't uniform and the cheese is off-center. They would just concentrate on eating. Same if one buys an Accord instead of a Camry. They will focus more on their purchase rather than make a laundry list of how Toyota's logo isn't as nice as Honda's.

Your points seem to be nitpicky more than constructive criticism.
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So you equate underwhelming to that of calling it bad?

No, it is underwhelming to me as Apple hyped the retina so much that when I went and saw it, it was not worthy of the hype and that the classic mbp to me, provides a much better value for the money

To each his own, but the rmbp did not impress me nearly as much as apple would lead one to believe via its advertising
 
Kendo said:
Not to start a silly war but why are most of the "underwhelmed" comments coming from people with a cMBP in their sig?
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Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
 
GGJstudios said:
Why would you think that's a joke? Are you suggesting that what computer someone currently owns has some effect on their ability to look at new models and decide what they prefer?
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How dare you insinuate that someone who bought a cMBP would try to deliberately find fault with the rMBP just to make himself feel better about his own inferior purchase! :mad:;):D
 
dukebound85 said:
So you equate underwhelming to that of calling it bad?

No, it is underwhelming to me as Apple hyped the retina so much that when I went and saw it, it was not worthy of the hype and that the classic mbp to me, provides a much better value for the money

To each his own, but the rmbp did not impress me nearly as much as apple would lead one to believe via its advertising
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Dang, I was about to say something like that.
 
sofianito said:
Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
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Comments like this is why we should still be able to give a thumbs down vote.

I wanted a regular MBP because I wanted to upgrade it my way but I couldn't get by the amazing screen of the retina. I gave up my ability to upgrade to get the screen. The screen is the most important part of the interaction between myself and the computer. The screen is how the computer gets the information to me.

The clarity and contrast of the retina is unmatched.
 
dukebound85 said:
So you equate underwhelming to that of calling it bad?

No, it is underwhelming to me as Apple hyped the retina so much that when I went and saw it, it was not worthy of the hype and that the classic mbp to me, provides a much better value for the money

To each his own, but the rmbp did not impress me nearly as much as apple would lead one to believe via its advertising
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Why in the world would you take my response to someone else and pretend like I said it to your post? Talk about spreading propoganda.
 
sofianito said:
Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
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And your proof is?


Greg M said:
Comments like this is why we should still be able to give a thumbs down vote.

I wanted a regular MBP because I wanted to upgrade it my way but I couldn't get by the amazing screen of the retina. I gave up my ability to upgrade to get the screen. The screen is the most important part of the interaction between myself and the computer. The screen is how the computer gets the information to me.

The clarity and contrast of the retina is unmatched.
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Yeah. It is so needed.
 
I finally managed to see a retina Macbook yesterday and honestly, I was a bit underwhelmed by the screen as well. It's really good looking no doubt and the viewing angles are definitely improved, as is the glare which has been reduced quite a bit. However IMO, posts on here that make out as if there's no going back to a regular screen after using a retina screen are an exagerration (obviously I'm sure others have a different opinion). I'm typing this from a mates PC and despite the fact that it isn't retina and I can discern individual pixels, it's a difference I can live with.

That being said, it still is a quality machine. In fact that the big difference between the regular and the retina Macbook pros for me was the keyboard. I find the new keyboard a lot more comfortable to use :eek:.
 
sofianito said:
Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
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So I suppose techies will be abandoning Apple then. I'm a techie and I'm thrilled with my new rMBP.
 
sofianito said:
Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
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You have absolutely no idea what most MBP owners are like. You're making baseless assumptions to support your personal viewpoint. The fact is, some will like the MBPR and some won't. It has nothing whatsoever to do with their financial status, technical prowess, personality type, prior or current computer ownership experience, race, creed, color, etc. People buy what they like and what they want or need. No computer has ever been made that was the ideal computer for everyone.
 
sofianito said:
Most cMBP owners are techies while most rMBP owners are casual users who remind me those people, either wealthy or poor, who buy an expensive car and whenever they need to change the oil or the windshield wiper fluid, they take it to the repair shop :eek:. They probably have never opened or would never open their car bonnet :p. Not to mention, they are susceptible to positive criticism, especially if it comes from cMBP owners... :D
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I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people who buy MBPs don't bother cracking it open to tinker with the internals in every way either, much as this forum tries to make it seem that it is standard practice to swap out the ODD for a secondary SSD, turn the former into an external superdrive and upgrade the ram to 16gb. And apparently, everyone has perfect knowledge of where to source for the cheapest and best components. ;)

They likely went with the pro because they thought the air is the mac equivalent of a netbook, or that the MBP is more powerful (baring the faster processor, it actually feels slower because of its spinning HDD), or in rarer scenarios, feel they need the ODD or larger storage space more.

So, way to overgeneralise. ;)
 
GGJstudios said:
I've seen both, and in my opinion the hi-res anti-glare screen wins, hands down. The glossy display on the MBPR is a deal-breaker for me. While I know many love it, I'm not impressed with it at all.
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Interesting. I've been using a high res anti-glare 17" MBP and have just given it away, having run it side by side with a new MBPr for two weeks. The glare and reflectivity is really next to nonexistent on the retina and the anti-glare is just not nearly as sharp. I've measured both with my densitometer and, while the anti-glare can crank up to higher luminosity, the MBPr has a better Dmax and is plenty bright enough.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion though. Use whatever works for you.
 
The OP is correct IMO that the screen really dazzles in person, but I still decided not to buy one for two reasons:

  1. The less expensive model has poor specs, and
  2. The more expensive one is too expensive for what it is.

Also, I worry that without the upgradability of past models, it might not last as long as I like to keep mac laptops. My last one was 6 years old when I sold it.

So I will wait and see what happens in the next few years. The screen is great, but is not enough for me to surrender on the spec and longevity fronts.
 
eagandale4114 said:
And your proof is?
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1) You would probably never open your rMBP gut because the screws are special. So you'll have to take it to Applestore to replace your battery or SSD flash :D

2) Regarding the techies or casual users, I used the adjective "Most", which means that "not all rMBP owners are casual users" and "not all cMBP are techies"

3) Read all the threads and you'll find out by yourself that whenever someone makes a critic about retina, he is immediately accused of trolling... :rolleyes:

I like the retina... screen, not laptop. Apple could have added the retina display to the cMBP and everyone would have been happy! :D, Don't you think so?
 
sofianito said:
1) You would probably never open your rMBP gut because the screws are special. So you'll have to take it to Applestore to replace your battery or SSD flash :D
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People have been buying special screwdrivers to open MBPs for quite some time. iFixIt.com sells tool kits for this purpose.
sofianito said:
2) Regarding the techies or casual users, I used the adjective "Most", which means that "not all rMBP owners are casual users" and "not all cMBP are techies"
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You can't even say "most" with any degree of accuracy, as you simply don't know.
sofianito said:
3) Read all the threads and you'll find out by yourself that whenever someone makes a critic about retina, he is immediately accused of trolling... :rolleyes:
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Only by those who prefer the retina and are so insecure that they feel threatened by anyone having a different opinion.
sofianito said:
Apple could have added the retina display to the cMBP and everyone would have been happy! :D, Don't you think so?
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No, not everyone, as many don't care for the glossy screen.

Clairvoyant129 said:
So many haters in denial.

rMBP > cMBP.
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Only in your opinion. Having a different opinion doesn't make anyone a "hater". It's immature to think that everyone should have the same opinion.
 
GGJstudios said:
You have absolutely no idea what most MBP owners are like. You're making baseless assumptions to support your personal viewpoint. The fact is, some will like the MBPR and some won't. It has nothing whatsoever to do with their financial status, technical prowess, personality type, prior or current computer ownership experience, race, creed, color, etc. People buy what they like and what they want or need. No computer has ever been made that was the ideal computer for everyone.
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I haven't seen the rMBP in person yet (yes, I know - behind the times) but I'd say that I'm more likely to like it than not. Why? Because of my current computer owership experience in using my 09 MBP. Of course these factors matter. You accuse sofianito of making baseless assumptions, but I see a whole lot of absolutes in your post (i.e. absolutely no idea, nothing whatsoever)
 
brentmore said:
You accuse sofianito of making baseless assumptions, but I see a whole lot of absolutes in your post (i.e. absolutely no idea, nothing whatsoever)
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He has absolutely no idea what most MBP owners are or aren't, since no one knows that. Name any other absolutes you challenge.
 
just my opinion but having the retina @ 1680 side by side with a high res glossy cMBP it's harder to tell, but the difference is still there. A buddy of mine with an early 2011 15 pro literally said wow looking at the screen. The AG is very washed out in comparison and loses a lot for the ability to be nonreflective. Still, the main reasons I think there's doubts at all is the loss of function/ports for some and the alleged UI lag.

Compare this to say the 3GS vs 4 where the only thing you "lost" was the nice curvy shape...and of course durability with the double glass.
 
Abazigal said:
I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people who buy MBPs don't bother cracking it open to tinker with the internals in every way either, much as this forum tries to make it seem that it is standard practice to swap out the ODD for a secondary SSD, turn the former into an external superdrive and upgrade the ram to 16gb. And apparently, everyone has perfect knowledge of where to source for the cheapest and best components. ;)

They likely went with the pro because they thought the air is the mac equivalent of a netbook, or that the MBP is more powerful (baring the faster processor, it actually feels slower because of its spinning HDD), or in rarer scenarios, feel they need the ODD or larger storage space more.

So, way to overgeneralise. ;)
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In a way, you're both right. Most people use them for a couple of years and either sell them or donate them to family members, charities, etc., and buy a new system.

But at least the old system gave people the option to upgrade ram and storage if they wanted to squeeze a little extra performance or usability out of their machines.

It's pretty clear Apple views all macs in the future as internet and productivity appliances, and wants to retain control over the hardware that's being put into the machines they make. I could hypothesize a whole litany of motivations for this direction...enabling new hardware and features, standardization of the consumer experience, uniformity of components, easier repairs, forced obsolescence, take your pick. The retina screen and the relatively cheaper included flash memory are enough to motivate most consumers to to along with them. Could you imagine the outcry and howls of protest that would occur if this machine was introduced without the retina display? :eek:

On the plus side, at least when Apple completes its transition, at least they'll finally quit putting 4 gigs of ram and 5400 rpm hard drives in modern $2,000 plus computers....:eek:
 
brentmore said:
Assuming sofianito is a male?

You're full of them today.
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You're kidding, right? :rolleyes:

(s)he has absolutely no idea what most MBP owners are or aren't, since no one knows that. Name any other absolutes you challenge.

Feel better now?
 
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