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Lot of haters on these forums 
I've had Thinkpads & Dells in the past, some were fine, some were garbage.
Not that I'm the biggest Apple fanboy ever, as I've only been an Apple user for 7-8mo~ .. but their build quality & reliability is still much better than any of the PC notebook manufacturers out there. The only PC notebooks really worth considering are Lenovo and Asus. And you have to be kidding me with the HP machines, what complete garbage. Give that notebook 3-6mo and those fans will be failing and the computer will be constantly overheating, I'd put money on it!
I've had Thinkpads & Dells in the past, some were fine, some were garbage. Not that I'm the biggest Apple fanboy ever, as I've only been an Apple user for 7-8mo~ .. but their build quality & reliability is still much better than any of the PC notebook manufacturers out there. The only PC notebooks really worth considering are Lenovo and Asus. And you have to be kidding me with the HP machines, what complete garbage. Give that notebook 3-6mo and those fans will be failing and the computer will be constantly overheating, I'd put money on it!
Lot of haters on these forums
Well, Asus has the worst repair service known in Europe, so there is only Lenovo left
I am not a real Apple hater, I just dont get what I need to work plus too much trouble with endless repairs and replacements (but the customers service works well)...
I just got home and opened my new MBP, my 1st ever Apple Product.
I wanted to post this because I saw alot of negative comments (mostly because it's mainly the people with problems who post), and it nearly put me off buying - Don't be, just buy and enjoy.
The new MBP 2.8GHz - No dead pixels, Case Marks / Scratches - PERFECT
This product just oozes build quality and cutting edge design. It rips my old vaio to pieces.
The Screen is stunningly vibrant - I love it and can't wait to watch DVD's on it.
The keyboard and trackpad both feel and function exceptionally.
It is the most beautiful product I have ever seen or felt - One piece aluminium and a lovely glossy black bezel, it's extremely classy.
Power 2.8 GHz / 4GB RAM - Very quick, nice graphics and great for heavy music production
OSX is smooth and well organised.
If you are holding out...don't. It is probably the best thing I have ever bought
Meet Apple's newest fanboy
Thanks for the advice - Big Up Macrumors!!
I do a lot of music production, Live Djing and VJing too and it's fantastic, you're going to love working on it. I use Ableton Live 7, Logic Pro Studio, Modul8, VDMX and Quartz Composer on mine and it's so stable it's really refreshing. Sort of a 'this is what music production/performance is supposed to be' moment
Your title lies.
I <3 Microsoft!
I just happen to use a Macbook pro because I like the design and OS X is... Okay
Besides, I get the best of Windows running on a super duper laptop
My condolences for WASTING your money. It's interesting how many PC fanboys talk crap about how overpriced Apple's hardware is and how Macs aren't any different than PC's except they have WAY less features and that you could get a similarly equipped PC for half. Those same PC fanboys buy a Mac and install AHEM...Windows on it and use Windows as the main OS...Again, sorry, you WASTED your money.
For all you guys who recently switched. Welcome!
And i highly advice that you purchase applecare. In the last 4 years I have had all my laptops in for repairs. And to be honest the rest of the hardware is very solid, just that the laptops tend to need tender love and care.
And i highly advice that you purchase applecare. In the last 4 years I have had all my laptops in for repairs. And to be honest the rest of the hardware is very solid, just that the laptops tend to need tender love and care.
Not a bad second choice: "In a survey from PC Magazine, Apple received the best overall scores for reliability and service in the desktop category[...]
Companies earning the best reliability ratings for notebook PCs from PC Magazine subscribers were Apple and IBM, followed by Dell, Fujitsu, and Toshiba." (source).
Are you by chance thinking about getting one of these Thinkpads?:
It is just oozing the highest common denominator.
See ya!
Are we talking DESKtops? No? Well, then why on earth do you bring up desktops? From a US computer magasine, no less?
Again, what on earth gave you the idea, that your link somehow proves anything? Have they taken into account people who have been on the platform for decades vs. people who bought into the RDF spewing nonsense they heard on the grapevine?
Are you by chance thinking about getting one of these Thinkpads?:
It is just oozing the highest common denominator.
Are you by chance thinking that your idiotic link proves anything or are you incapable of putting together an argument and try to get around that intellectual problem by linking to a picture of a non-existant computer?
I might as well link this:
You think idiotic colors prove anything?
Yup. Member of the iPod Crowd, I see …
I've used Macs off & on for many years going back to the Apple II. My first Apple laptop was one of the early TiBooks & I've owned every major rev in between. Although OS 9 had it's own appeal, my all time favorite OS so far is OS X Leopard (10.5.5) and all time favorite laptop is in my sig. I just like the new stuff...
& no I'm not always happy with everything Apple does. In fact I first started posting on this forum when I was pissed off that Apple took away translucent menus which, in my perception, was evidence that Apple is caving in to the noisiest, lowest common denominator. But I got over it. Despite appreciating Apple products for many years quietly, something that bothered me made me go public. That's what happens in these forums, but you have to put things into perspective -- most people are happy with their Apple purchases.
Maybe buy a less expensive machine that a ThinkPad first to see if you really like using it everyday. I bought an HP desktop recently because it was cheap and enjoy tinkering with Linux, but still prefer the Mac experience by far.
(PS: I did not notice til you mentioned that the ThinkPad was painted aftermarket, my bad)
& no I'm not always happy with everything Apple does. In fact I first started posting on this forum when I was pissed off that Apple took away translucent menus which, in my perception, was evidence that Apple is caving in to the noisiest, lowest common denominator. But I got over it. Despite appreciating Apple products for many years quietly, something that bothered me made me go public. That's what happens in these forums, but you have to put things into perspective -- most people are happy with their Apple purchases.
Maybe buy a less expensive machine that a ThinkPad first to see if you really like using it everyday. I bought an HP desktop recently because it was cheap and enjoy tinkering with Linux, but still prefer the Mac experience by far.
(PS: I did not notice til you mentioned that the ThinkPad was painted aftermarket, my bad)
To me it's all about productivity, not eye candy, and for some reason I think you misintepret the term "lowest common denominator" as it implies a denominator so low that most everyone agrees with it or at least a majority think it's GREAT: Pop culture, McDonalds, iPods and as of recent the entire sphere surrounding "the iPod Company".
With regards to buying a cheap(er) computer to "try it out": I have been using PC's for years "on the side" and because I had to. That's how it goes. It has been by choice I have been using my Macs. Money doesn't play even a small part of it all. Not that I can shower in it, but you get my point. The thing is, with all the bugs in leopard, incompatibilities (not all of it down to Apple) and the dwindling HW quality and catering to the iPod Crowd only (the McDonald's customers of the electronics world), I am moving on.
In that context I want the best hardware possible, and not some cheap(ish) product. I know I will like having good quality hardware and since it has taken me far more than a year to migrate all my software and workflows to the windows side of things, I am quite aware of what it will bring me and what it will not. I will miss Exposé and especially Spaces, though.
It's from colorwarepc:
http://www.colorwarepc.com/c-3-computers.aspx
Thinkpads are Lenovos – the company that usd to make the last IBM thinkpads.
What's worrying, though, is that you try to put down thinkpads in relation to MacBooks, but you are not even aware of the iconic blackness and "all business" they exude.
Go here:
www.lenovo.com
Click "Thinkpads".
What makes you think ThinkPads are more reliable or that Windows is more productive?
At the foundation of OS X is a UNIX kernel. *NIX powers the fastest machines on the planet chosen by people who studied long and hard how to get the most rubble out of their rubles OS X Leopard run quite well on my ~4 year old PowerBook. Try running Vista on 4 year old hardware...
I just had a look at forum discussions for the most popular ThinkPad model I could find here. Not surprisingly, people are complaining about issues with their ThinkPads, just for ex.:
- Dead T42p. Help needed
- CD drive on T43 Randomly Keeps opening
- What to do with T43p with power issues
- Non-booting Thinkpads
- T43 with bad ram slot
- etc., etc., etc.
Is there data to prove that ThinkPads or Lenovos are more reliable than Apple laptops?
At the foundation of OS X is a UNIX kernel. *NIX powers the fastest machines on the planet chosen by people who studied long and hard how to get the most rubble out of their rubles
OS X Leopard run quite well on my ~4 year old PowerBook. Try running Vista on 4 year old hardware...I just had a look at forum discussions for the most popular ThinkPad model I could find here. Not surprisingly, people are complaining about issues with their ThinkPads, just for ex.:
- Dead T42p. Help needed
- CD drive on T43 Randomly Keeps opening
- What to do with T43p with power issues
- Non-booting Thinkpads
- T43 with bad ram slot
- etc., etc., etc.
Is there data to prove that ThinkPads or Lenovos are more reliable than Apple laptops?
Miss no more. Switcher does very much what Expose does and there are several virtual desktop systems, such as Virtual Desktop Manager.
I miss running OSX on my desktop PC. In the end I went back to Vista because I got tired switching between the two. I'm eager to buy a Macbook Pro but will wait at least until MacWorld, the biggest problems should be ironed out by then.
Because my practical experience is that the quality of Apple laptops are dwindling.
Because the moment I can't use FW, per definition the laptop isn't productive to me. And at this junction there are NO FW laptops that works from Apple.
Because I have spend months and months and months getting used to working with windows with migration in mind and since I don't have to invent workarounds to get most things to work, perhaps it truly IS much more productive than OSX?
The reason I mentioned it was because you seem to care about eye candy, since that was what you mentioned – oh, and tinkering with linux …
Because I have spent months ad nauseaum analysing my needs and workflows and implementing them, taught myself to use other apps for my work and bought same apps?
To me, and to everyone I know in my line of work, a computer is just a small thing in the chain of production, and the chain matters more than the computer platform. It's all about getting everything to work as seamless as possible –*"productivity" in other words.
At the foundation of OS X is a UNIX kernel. *NIX powers the fastest machines on the planet chosen by people who studied long and hard how to get the most rubble out of their rubles
Wow! Talking about an armchair geek. Do you not understand that what you say has little bearing on something like "productivity"?
I really don't give a crap about that. If my computer becomes too slow I will buy another. Further, I will be using XP (for a lot of specific reasons).
What's your point? You want me to link to a couple on macrumors?
As I have said, I have been a part of this platform for very close to two decades. Unlike you, who have no idea practical issues, but think that because the kernel is Unix it should somehow mean anything in all practicality when we talk about productivity.
Propably not. But then again, I have a hard time discussing this with someone who doesn't even know that Thinkpads come in black and black only. That person has never held one in his hand and has certainly not any practical experience working with a Thinkpad. What do you think my work issues? Yup, that's right: Thinkpads and those Toughbooks. Plenty of experience around – I am working for the largest media house in Denmark (yes, we're a small country, but still).
Man, that's super!! Thanks a bunch, Kasakka
Let's hope that, if you're going to put money down for one
I'm sure many people are happy as pie with Lenovos and that is what's important. I just could not imagine switching from a MBP to one of those. It's not because of the color. It's EVERYTHING starting from the OS (well, I'd install Linux), the overall thickness, the plastic-looking materials, the old school latches, hinges, the puny trackpad, models I saw lacked built-in cameras, the thick bezels, etc.
Of course it is. It's an Ideapad. A consumer laptop. It's a NETBOOK.
As I said: Click on THINKPADS.
Perhaps you should look again. Yes, many of them lacks a camera, but then again, it's an all-business computer (Thinkpads), not a toy. I got a good laugh out of your bezel-comment, considering I used to own a Tibook. That had the smallest bezel ever (for a mac), but then came the MacBook with a camera - introducing a really ugly "forehead" to my laptop, and recently the MacBook Air came with a bezel as huge as the iBook, and with the introduction of the glass MBPs/MBs the bezel have become huge in comparison to what I type on (it's a matte MBP).
The "huge bezel" you saw were on a 10" laptop.
Go here and try to convince me Thinkpads have "huge bezels":
http://www.pc.ibm.com/europe/thinkpad/index.html?nl&cc=nl#
It's not "Plastic looking" materials. It is indeed plastic, with carbon fiber, glass fibre, titanium and magnesium roll cages and whatnot. Personally I find metallic spraypainted plastic keys, glossy glass screens, and so forth much cheaper to look at. Perhaps you should get some experience with toughbooks and thinkpads if you think it's "cheap" (in build quality). My pitting palm rests et al tells me another story.
As mentioned, perhaps you should come back when you have handled a Thinkpad.
So you're implying MBPs are toys? ...s/he says while I am *securely* copying files up to a *nix server (which Windows cannot do) from which I am remote displaying a GUI app and running a command line with bundled OS X software, am updating 4 Windows servers using TSClientX, am using one of the MANY devtools bundled with OS X, am using some opensource *nix software compiled to run on X, could be running Windows locally too (but happily am not) am loading email from a remote Exchange server much, much faster than via Outlook on a Windows machine at work on the same network as the Exchange server. I use my built-in camera for business meetings. Have you ever wondered why XP runs much hotter on the same Mac as OS X (hint, it is not because OS X is less efficient).
PS - I have handled an all black ThinkPad (although it's been awhile) & it's fair to presume Lenovo makes red computers, because they DO. Also the bezel looks thick, just blank space for no apparent reason. For example:
...s/he says while I am *securely* copying files up to a *nix server (which Windows cannot do) from which I am remote displaying a GUI app and running a command line with bundled OS X software, am updating 4 Windows servers using TSClientX, am using one of the MANY devtools bundled with OS X, am using some opensource *nix software compiled to run on X, could be running Windows locally too (but happily am not) am loading email from a remote Exchange server much, much faster than via Outlook on a Windows machine at work on the same network as the Exchange server. I use my built-in camera for business meetings. Have you ever wondered why XP runs much hotter on the same Mac as OS X (hint, it is not because OS X is less efficient).PS - I have handled an all black ThinkPad (although it's been awhile) & it's fair to presume Lenovo makes red computers, because they DO. Also the bezel looks thick, just blank space for no apparent reason. For example:
As someone who has "handled" many a thinkpad, I will say that they don't feel cheap, but I will say that I've had some very unsatisfying experiences with them in the workplace. Just like Mac's, the Lenovo does not have some magical hardware supplier that makes them immune to bad HDD and dead pixels. From an aesthetic standpoint, they are very unassuming, which is a very desirable trait for some people.
As a professional in the video field, I've had no one comment that my new MBP looks unprofessional. I don't use it to edit on, that's reserved for my Mac Pro at the office, but I do use it for meetings with clients, and to show sample footage. If my work is quality, nobody cares what I'm showing them on.
As a professional in the video field, I've had no one comment that my new MBP looks unprofessional. I don't use it to edit on, that's reserved for my Mac Pro at the office, but I do use it for meetings with clients, and to show sample footage. If my work is quality, nobody cares what I'm showing them on.
Ever heard of "strawman argumentation"? You just made yourself guilty of it.
And this has bearing of the discussion at hand? Earlier you linked to desktop surveys – you're propably doing what you're doing on a desktop as we speak. Just like rendering, I don't really consider what you're doing relevant to what I say.
On the contrary you seem adamant that your unix routines and arguments have any bearing on hardware quality, connection issues and compatibility ditto.
Sounds like you're either a geek or simply working in an office like setting only. I'm not surprised, though, since you don't know the difference between a netbook for consumers and a thinkpad.
Good. Then it's fortunate that many Thinkpads does indeed have inbuilt cameras. Many places don't allow cameras, though.
Hint: It could be hardware-related, bios-related or whatnot. Hint #2: Your argument again has no bearing on real world productivity. For my work (as in "what I do") I have found that I get more done working on a pc than I do on a Mac. It didn't use to be like that, but in the course of a year, I have less downtime, spent less time trying to work around problems and have all-in-all a much easier life. A computer to me is but a very small part of the equation and it should stay there. You know, like it used to be: Using a Mac used to be about having the computer not being in the way. These days I find that it's simply not true on a day-to-day basis.
LOL, yup. Just like I spent 18 months (!!!) getting a working MacBook Pro that didn't have a flawed motherboard, non-working firewire, getting three new motherboards before getting a new one each time, sometimes being "down" for months before apple would do anything about it – that was the time I decided I needed to migrate my workflows.
Of course not. That's where Quality Control comes into the picture. Apple's ditto seems to have all but vanished, hence lowering the quality.
True. Me, for one.
I don't care what people think. I care about how it works in the field. Me, I'm in the audio field, so I do actually work in the field (luckily I don't go to so many meetings).
Edit: You added a PS, so here it as well:
Yes, but we aren't talking about "lenovo computers" We were talking about Thinkpads specifically, which happens to be but one model series Lenovo makes. I'm sorry but not all companies cater only to one segment.
Also the bezel looks thick, just blank space for no apparent reason. For example:
You think this looks like a thinner bezel:
Let me quote your statement once again:
And your beloved macs don't have huge areas of blank space? Oh, that's right, it's a laptop from Apple, so everything there is just as it should be
Thats funny,
I run Archicad12 on my MBP using XP (OSX is too slow in 3D views) and the machine stays quiet and cool (42° C right now)...