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I am not comparing XP to OS X' latest directly. I am comparing an over all experience. In other words, I am comparing buggy hardware and software to a proven, widely supported (and working) OS and a platform that will give me the hardware quality I want.
Well comparison after comparison, test after test, survey after survey give OS X a higher ranking, unless you go to some Windows fanboy site.

Is it possible for you to be any more apologetic? I have already mentioned I have been using PCs "on the side" all along, so the strawman notion that I'm out of touch with the pc world, and that I will not be able to get better quality from the pc-side of things than I can on the iPod-company side is just that: Apologetic nonsense.
And here once again I will point out that you have no empirical evidence to back your claims, but we know Apple customers are more satisfied. I can tell you plenty of anecdotal stories about PCs that break and Windows users losing data after hardware failures, viruses, etc. Can you say that Intel parts in PCs are more reliable than Intel parts in Macs??

You see, I can have any machine I want as a back up, but you really have no clue how it is to work with audio out in the field if you think that you can swap within the hour or expect people to continously carry two laptops at all times.
Windows does not come with backup software OOTB does it? But Leopard comes with Time Machine and that works very well and is user friendly.

The very idea that I should "ready to pull the trigger on a new purchase at any time" is equally ridiculous. Yes, I will have to, but do you really think that someone with specific needs can suddenly switch platforms with hours notice? Even with your needs of only connecting mp3-players and iphones would have a hard time doing that. Then imagine someone who actually have to set up vpn, install all sorts of specific software and have the set-up approved. Yup, your pseudo argument sure sounds like the prudent thing to do. However, what I will do, since I spent a year migrating workflows is that if this dies a sudden death, I am ready with a day's notice to get a loaner, and then spent a week getting the Thinkpad I want, install everything and get up and running. But the only reason for this is that I spent the time migrating beforehand and have everything set up, ready to be installed.
In the time that it takes Time Machine to restore onto a new machine, you'd be up and running. I use Firewire 800 and it took a few clicks, then ~30 mins. later EVERYTHING (VPN, mail, etc.) worked exactly as my old MBP machine, but faster. Then I could zero out the old MBPs HDD before selling it so my data is not available to the next owner. Does Windows do that OOTB?

To some extent you're right. American consumers are more demanding. At least when it comes to service. But that is no excuse for Apple, even by a longshot. Secondly, my experience and the experience of people I know who had to deal with lenovo is that their service was much better. They are frankly amazed how ridiculously the iPod Company acts. How short sighted they act.
It is the same with every company. As a test, find me a computer company in Europe that has a free 800 number for customer support (not pre-sales, which almost all do have) where Apple does not. Now call Dell, Lenova and Apple and time how long you're on hold. With Apple only in my experience, you're on the phone with a live human on the other side very quickly.

I rarely "enjoy computers", but I am looking forward to a working experience and I am certainly looking forward to not having to jump through hoops to make things work.
Well then good luck with Windows :D

Hmm, yes, some computers are slow, others aren't. So you try out one computer, presumably at your work place, and conclude that XP is slow?
I have seen the same issue with several computers at several companies.

I have worked in many places, and it's true that some computers are slow, but to generalise and claim that XP as such is slow is at best guesswork on your part.
I have worked with plenty of PCs and was referring to a recent (less than one year old) Dell with a dual-core processor. Your standard mid-range office workstation. I have a bit older one sitting on my desk at work and installed Linux on it, which works great with all the latest Compiz effects turned on, but its butt-slow with Windows. Why?

Several colleagues confirm its the same for them with Windows. They boot and launch Outlook, then go get coffee and chat awhile while everything loads.

Even on a PPC PowerBook, OS X Mail can load mail from an MS Exchange server much, much, much faster!!!

Btw. .docx is not an obscure format. It stinks, but it's not obscure. Office 2007/2008 use it as the standard format to save in, so you better get that open office package or go upgrade your office-suite, because more and more people use the format.
Answered above.
 
Well comparison after comparison, test after test, survey after survey all give OS X a higher ranking, unless you go to some Windows fanboy site.

Well, at least US surveys done amongst US citizens and published in US magazines.

However, that has little bearing on anything I argue.

Oh, and btw. What do you mean that "OS X" gets "Higher rating"? You mean "customer service", "the hardware" or do you really mean the OS?


And here once again I will point out that you have no empirical evidence to back your claims, but we know Apple customers are more satisfied.
Yes, we do know that. But we also know from this very forum that people were perfectly happy to have to, say, play around with the voltages for the CPU and fan speeds in orer to not have core shutdowns on their MB Air. Satisfaction averages doesn't really mean much. And it certainly doesn't mean that it then should work for someone working in a niche as audio is.


I can tell you plenty of anecdotal stories about PCs that break and Windows users losing data after hardware failures, viruses, etc. Can you say that Intel parts in PCs are more reliable the Intel parts in Macs??
As I already mentioned, there is such a thing as "quality control". You know, the thing Apple used to be good at.



Windows does not come with backup software OOTB does it? But Leopard comes with Time Machine and that works very well and is user friendly.
Is it possible for you to miss the point more than you just did? And this in a partial argument you yourself began?
You were claiming that I was an idiot if I didn't have a back-up MACHINE. Not what amounts to an external drive, or a NAS-drive if so set up.

So of course I respond like I did, but as usual you move the goal post, and now you try to argue something completely different? Who gives a flying ef about "time machine"? I don't use it, simply because I like to be able to use my information in another environment as well.




In the time that it takes Time Machine to restore onto a new machine, you are up and running as if another machine with OS X.
Except: I cannot go out and buy a portable Mac with working firewire in any and all Apple retailer here in Denmark. And I'm sure as hell not buying inferior hardwarex2 to have one just sit idle at home waiting for the first one to break down.

I use Firewire 800 and it took a few clicks, then ~30 mins. later EVERYTHING (VPN, mail, etc.) worked exactly as on the last machine, but faster.

Good for you.


It is the same with every company. As a test, find me a computer company in Europe that has a free 800 number for customer support (not pre-sales, which almost all do have) where Apple does not.

LOL, there are much more to customer support than a toll-free number. The fact that I'm passed on to ireland to talk to some idjit who doesn't know shyte about danish consumer laws and are unwilling to recognise any and all problems, while "forgetting" to send me a box, "mislaying" my case and so on so forth.

Now call Dell, Lenova and Apple and time how long you're on hold. With Apple only in my experience, you're on the phone with a live human on the other side very quickly.

Again, I'm not going to do a test of anything of the sort, as there is much more to customer service than those things.



Well then good luck with Windows :D
This is particularly funny, considering I have explained some of the hoops I have to hop through. Yet again, you seem incapable of recognising that anyone can get tired of something like that, because you personally have no problems with what you do. I guess I should just give up my job and do something behind a desk where the most demanding I'd ever do would be to back-up over a network.

What's more, this seems to have become your standard reply whenever you can't even come up with your pseudo argumentation.


I have seen the same issue in several computers in several companies.
Of course you have … That's why you first describe .docx as "obscure" and then use your "solution" to make believe you had a clue as to how slow or fast XP is, based on that "solution".




I have worked with plenty of PCs and was referring to a recent (less than one year old) Dell with a dual-core processor.
Suuuree..
I guess that people, including myself, who have worked (and still do) on XP have no clue, because Macrem says so. You seem intent to try to use user experience surveys (which, as best is severely difficult to quantify objectively), this time I think you should take your own medicin and look up some speed comparisons.


Your standard mid-range office workstation. I have one and installed Linux on it and it works great with all the latest Compiz effects turned on, but its butt-slow with Windows.
I really couldn't care less about your linux projects. That platform is a no-go, since there is no decent audio apps for what I do on the platform. Until there is, your anecdotal linux arguments is useless.

Several colleagues confirm its the same for them, that they boot and launch Outlook, then go get coffee and chat awhile while everything loads.
Go look up some speed tests. I'm sorry, but perhaps it's your servers in your company?

Even on an older Dell Linux kicks ass.

As mentioned, who cares about your linux boxes?

Even on a PPC PowerBook, OS X Mail can load mail from an MS Exchange server much, much, much faster!!!

Seriously, that's not my experience at all. On the contrary.


Btw. .docx is not an obscure format. It stinks, but it's not obscure. Office 2007/2008 use it as the standard format to save in, so you better get that open office package or go upgrade your office-suite, because more and more people use the format.
Answered above.

Indeed. So let me respond to it here:
Sure you said it as a "joke" …
That's why your response reads uncannily like something you looked up on wikipedia.
 
Probably same for me. I have yet to see one mbp that doesn't have any ridiculous issues. I'm betting that a lot of the people who say theirs are perfect simply haven't noticed some flaws here or there, which is excellent for them. After my horrible experience with this mbp It'll be really hard to buy another mac even though I love the OS. Glad you're pleased with your purchase and hope you enjoy it for a long time.

What problems did you have? Sooo trying to decide between a MBP, Sony AW, or Asus N80nv :(

Windows does not come with backup software OOTB does it? But Leopard comes with Time Machine and that works very well and is user friendly.

Windows does have backup software, built off their enterprise stuff. I assume though that for normal users Time Machine's method is pretty great. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I like that it's just copying stuff to regular directories on a hard drive. You can presumably recover stuff without having to go through Time Machine if you don't want to or can't, and to me that's a huge deal. I use Syncback on Windows to do much the same, but it's...I won't say hard to use, but does require some configuration.

I have worked with plenty of PCs and was referring to a recent (less than one year old) Dell with a dual-core processor. Your standard mid-range office workstation. I have a bit older one sitting on my desk at work and installed Linux on it, which works great with all the latest Compiz effects turned on, but its butt-slow with Windows. Why?

Something's not configured right most likely, or doesn't have enough RAM or whatever.

Several colleagues confirm its the same for them with Windows. They boot and launch Outlook, then go get coffee and chat awhile while everything loads.

Even on a PPC PowerBook, OS X Mail can load mail from an MS Exchange server much, much, much faster!!!

That's messed up. Something isn't right there at all. Outlook 2003 running on my almost six year old Windows system is effectively instantaneous. Takes it a few moments to sort stuff when I first launch it (based on my SPAM programs, my mail rules, etc.) but it's not worse than Mail was on a 2007 Macbook Pro. There's either some kind of software problem or network problem going on there.

And same for Office 2007 files. Office 2003 launches virtually instantaneously and does a file conversion faster than I have time to read the text on the little window...and that's on nearly 6 year old hardware. My newer newer systems are far, far faster (and THEY'RE old too, in computer terms).
 
Is it possible for you to miss the point more than you just did? And this in a partial argument you yourself began?
You were claiming that I was an idiot if I didn't have a back-up MACHINE. Not what amounts to an external drive, or a NAS-drive if so set up.
I never called you any such thing nor made any derogatory statements. And I don't think that about you either.

I don't see any solution. If you had specific questions about using a specific brand/model of audio equipment with a Mac (via firewire) or were looking for some specific software, I would try to help (out of interest too) but there must be other audio pros using Macs on this forum too who could offer better advice...

But it seems you just wanted blow off some steam, so sorry if I rained on that parade. It just so happens that I am your alter ego in this respect. I had many bad experiences with Windows. Someone earlier called me an Apple fanboy. I use the best tool for the job. I have used Solaris, IRIX, NeXT, FreeBSD, various distros of Linux, etc. If someone gave me a shoestring budget to host a webserver, guess what I would not pick OS X, I'd pick Linux. I don't like the Windows user experience and I don't like Microsoft's business practices that stifle innovation.
 
I never called you any such thing nor made any derogatory statements. And I don't think that about you either.

Well, you said something along the lines that a proper/prudent person would in any case either have a back-up MACHINE or be prepared to buy a new one with a moment's notice.
That is implying quite a lot, and when I responded to it, you then go on about time machine, as if that would be a solution in any way, form or fashion.



I don't see any solution.
80 posts, and you conclude I'm asking for a solution to something?
I am not. I already have my solution, and the only reason you responded and tried to counter me was that I had the nerve to put the solution and the reasoning behind it into writing.

If you had specific questions about using a specific brand/model of audio equipment with a Mac (via firewire) or were looking for some specific software, I would try to help (out of interest too)

I'm sorry, but if I had a question about audio and specific hardware that worked with it, I would do some research and ask my peers. I would certainly not ask someone who thinks that doing ENG and post-production is scriptable.
I am not ASKING anything, I am TELLING you how the audio world is and how there is NO choice with portable Macs anymore – something you seem to willfully ignore time and time again.


but there must other audio pros using Macs on this forum too who could offer better advice...
No, really?


But it seems you just wanted blow off some steam, so sorry if I rained on that parade.

Well, tough luck. I thought it would be nice to have a balanced thread and state why I, for one, was leaving, that it was not all "glorious" experiences on the platform when you and your peers decided it was a bad choice and because you were fine you somehow thought you knew enough about my work to try to tell me what I needed, making up arguments as you went along.


It just so happens that I am your alter ego in this respect. I had many bad experiences with Windows.
It's not JUST about personal experience of "glitches". It's about connectivity and work flow efficiency. But I have already explained this ad nauseum.


Someone earlier called me an Apple fanboy
It could have been me, but I actually think you're more of a Linux-fan, seeing how often you have mentioned that platform.
I especially was enamoured with your anti XP-arguments which seemed to evolve and be more and more "out there" the more you were countered.

I use the best tool for the job. I have used Solaris, FreeBSD & various distros of Linux. If someone gave me a shoestring budget to host a webserver, guess what I would not pick OS X, I'd pick Linux. I don't like the Windows user experience and I don't like Microsoft's business practices that stifle innovation.

Well, on a shoe-string budget, of course one would use the cheapest, Mr. Obvious.
We all realise you don't like Windows, but I'm amazed I haven't seen you attack Apple for their recent business practices. On the contrary. But, hey! I know – it's Apple, so we shouldn't criticise anything from them.


Just so you know, if it was possible for me to work with linux, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I have had Ubuntu on my Mac (dual boot) for almost two years until recently, simply because I thought and hoped that some day it would be possible to make the switch. However, as that is not possible, XP is the platform that will give me the least of troubles.
 
Windows does have backup software, built off their enterprise stuff.
Does that software come with standard XP OOTB?

I assume though that for normal users Time Machine's method is pretty great. I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I like that it's just copying stuff to regular directories on a hard drive. You can presumably recover stuff without having to go through Time Machine if you don't want to or can't, and to me that's a huge deal. I use Syncback on Windows to do much the same, but it's...I won't say hard to use, but does require some configuration.
Correct, you can go straight to the disk and sift through folders but so far I have not found a practical use for that which trumps going via the interface to find files from a specific date. When restoring a system there are options to restore user files & settings and/or Applications or everything.

The thing with Outlook is many people I have talked with find Outlook to be slow (and OE would be faster). It's odd that the issue seems to be related to MS Exchange. I have used Outlook in the past to access POP mail and it was pretty fast too. But accessing MS Exchange with an almost full quota is very slow for everyone I've talked with; however, Thunderbird on Linux and OS X Mail load much faster from the exact same mail server. Booting XP is also slow, but Linux on the exact same machine boots up quickly even though its running lots of daemons that are not used on Windows. Cross-platform webapps and db servers also have higher system requirements in my experience on Windows XP. Vista would be even higher.
 
Tosser: you said that the firewire in recent Macs does not work with your hardware. What hardware is that?
 
Tosser: you said that the firewire hw in laptops does not work but with what hardware?

It doesn't work with _most_ audio interfaces, or in other words: It's a hit'n'miss affair, and since I don't need it to connect to just one audio interface, I can't rely on such a thing. Hell, even my stand-alone recorder uses firewire.

The problem with audio is that once there is a glitch, the entire recording is screwed.

No thank you. You seriously think you can come up with a "solution" knowing naught about audio when the entire industry can't?
I work in a niche within the niche. If you insist to do some research and pretend to "help come up with a solution", I suggest you try come up with something about my recorder – it's an SD700-series.[Add: Sound Devices 700-series]

It's the Agere chipset wrecking havoc on our interfaces, and even the older MBPs had problems with firewire over the expresscard slot, the new ones are apparently even worse.
I am simply not interested in adaptors that "might work", nor am I interested in chipsets that work only with a select few, as that WILL cause very hands-on practical problems down the line.

Within any given month I might connect to four or five different interfaces. This means that I cannot afford to use a hit'n'miss chipset. But as I said, you really aren't in a position to come up with a "solution". Just for fun, try researching Fireface 800 – see what "work-arounds" that truly work there is. Let me give you a hint: There are none. Except of course for the ignorami who suggest we go buy an USB-to-firewire adaptor …


Oh, and one should think that it would be easy if one simply just switched to an USB-recorder, right?

http://sonosax.ch/recorders/minir82/minir82_important_notice.html

Yes, it's about 10.4.9, but it gives an idea about the constant work-arounds. This time the workaround is to simply not connect it to a MacBook or MacBook Pro running OS X –*one can boot into windows if you really want to connect. Excellent, huh?
 
Tosser, you certainly are entitled to your opinions, as are all of us. The problem for me is that you picked up the "Mac vs. PC" arguement and ran with it, to the point of not seeing when you had made your position clear, thus when to quit. Your line-by-line multi-quoting, particularly of macrem, just seems like someone who can't let it go, and often dropped into the realm of being downright insulting (using terms like "idiocy," "nonsense," "ridiculous," "grow up," "sounds like you're a geek or working in an office-like setting only...," "what the hell do you think....," "you don't get it, do you," "fanboy..." etc. etc. <~whew...~>

Why don't you please quit trying so hard to be smarter than everyone else? Nobody is insulting you, and your tone has been tiresome. Post all you want, but don't turn reasonable folks off by resorting to degrading the person making their points (same goes for them...) but instead just make the point minus all the above snarkiness. Otherwise it gives the impression that you have far too much time on your hands, despite all the work you claim you must do, and also gives the impression that you don't often get listened to, so you turn everything into a fight. Please think about it. Honestly. I am not attacking you, but giving you some straight feedback from someone who simply came to this thread to read about someone who was enjoying their new MBP.

PS: I've been guilty myself of getting too emotionally wrapped up in an arguement, so I recognize it when I see it. :)

TY PDX.
 
I just got home and opened my new MBP, my 1st ever Apple Product.

I wanted to post this because I saw alot of negative comments (mostly because it's mainly the people with problems who post), and it nearly put me off buying - Don't be, just buy and enjoy.

The new MBP 2.8GHz - No dead pixels, Case Marks / Scratches - PERFECT

This product just oozes build quality and cutting edge design. It rips my old vaio to pieces.


The Screen is stunningly vibrant - I love it and can't wait to watch DVD's on it.


The keyboard and trackpad both feel and function exceptionally.

It is the most beautiful product I have ever seen or felt - One piece aluminium and a lovely glossy black bezel, it's extremely classy.

Power 2.8 GHz / 4GB RAM - Very quick, nice graphics and great for heavy music production

OSX is smooth and well organised.

If you are holding out...don't. It is probably the best thing I have ever bought :)

Meet Apple's newest fanboy :apple: :D

Thanks for the advice - Big Up Macrumors!!



osx brother!
:apple:
 
Well I'm a recent convert to the Mac world and all I'll say is that neither OS is perfect. I wish my 2k Macbook Pro had a blu-ray drive internally and came with blu-ray playback software. I also looked at several Windows laptops that came with blu-ray drives but none of them were "just right". The closet I got to getting what I wanted was this Macbook Pro and I'm loving OS X but do miss certain parts of windows.

As far as productivity, the average guy who knows very little about computers will tell you that viruses are very counter-productive. I've had to fix several computer issues people have had and they were all virus and spyware related. I know of people who think they need new computers after a year or two even though all they do is use microsoft office and browse the web, stuff a netbook can do and all because their computers run slow because of viruses.

If you know how to avoid danger in Windows then it won't be an issue for you, obviously. There will always be a certain part of society that won't care to learn about their computers.

Take me for instance, I've been driving for 7 years now and I can't change the oil in my car. As far as how the car works, I just turn the key and it goes!

For people who take that mentality with their computers, I can't imagine why someone would want to run Windows. Web browsing and office work is what people like that mostly use their computers for and the Mac can do all that stuff.
 
Does that software come with standard XP OOTB?

Yeah, but the software in Vista is much more user friendly from what I've heard, as it all comes from their corporate heritage. Time Machine to me is more what I want as an individual user, where if worse comes to worse I can just pull stuff off the drive-from basically any OS even.

The thing with Outlook is many people I have talked with find Outlook to be slow (and OE would be faster). It's odd that the issue seems to be related to MS Exchange. I have used Outlook in the past to access POP mail and it was pretty fast too. But accessing MS Exchange with an almost full quota is very slow for everyone I've talked with; however, Thunderbird on Linux and OS X Mail load much faster from the exact same mail server. Booting XP is also slow, but Linux on the exact same machine boots up quickly even though its running lots of daemons that are not used on Windows. Cross-platform webapps and db servers also have higher system requirements in my experience on Windows XP. Vista would be even higher.

That's really weird all around. I wonder how large their mail stores are in Exchange? I've got fairly huge, probably 10MB all told (somewhat guessing...maybe a bit more) and it's all instantaneous. Now over a slow network connection, like dial up or something it can be sluggish, or I suppose if your network wasn't set up right for the number of users. Other mail clients would be using IMAP (or even POP) which may run differently, or even be located on a different server that's handling nothing but that traffic (etc.).

But...yeah, I've never really LIKED Outlook/Exchange (although I don't really like any mail program to date), but they shouldn't be worse than anything else. XP/Vista should run fine too unless they're just not running on capable enough hardware. I mean I've had to set up XP on slow Pentium 3s with <512MB which is sluggish, but for basic desktop stuff even my early 2003 system flies (and my friend's low end slow Althlon x2 based laptop flies with Vista).
 
Well I'm a recent convert to the Mac world and all I'll say is that neither OS is perfect. I wish my 2k Macbook Pro had a blu-ray drive internally and came with blu-ray playback software. I also looked at several Windows laptops that came with blu-ray drives but none of them were "just right". The closet I got to getting what I wanted was this Macbook Pro and I'm loving OS X but do miss certain parts of windows.

As far as productivity, the average guy who knows very little about computers will tell you that viruses are very counter-productive. I've had to fix several computer issues people have had and they were all virus and spyware related. I know of people who think they need new computers after a year or two even though all they do is use microsoft office and browse the web, stuff a netbook can do and all because their computers run slow because of viruses.

If you know how to avoid danger in Windows then it won't be an issue for you, obviously. There will always be a certain part of society that won't care to learn about their computers.

Ugh. Those people scare me, particularly given how little effort it is to stay safe. Odds are sooner or later they're going to get infected on OS X too, or screw up some configuration or something. It blows my mind that people 1) manage to somehow get infected and 2) think they need a new computer. IMO you have to work at it to get infected.

Take me for instance, I've been driving for 7 years now and I can't change the oil in my car. As far as how the car works, I just turn the key and it goes!

Well, me too...but then I do know I need to get the oil changed, etc. All someone has to do is know how to install a free antivirus program and Windows Defender (if they're on XP...I think Vista it's even built in).
 
Ugh. Those people scare me, particularly given how little effort it is to stay safe. Odds are sooner or later they're going to get infected on OS X too, or screw up some configuration or something. It blows my mind that people 1) manage to somehow get infected and 2) think they need a new computer. IMO you have to work at it to get infected.



Well, me too...but then I do know I need to get the oil changed, etc. All someone has to do is know how to install a free antivirus program and Windows Defender (if they're on XP...I think Vista it's even built in).

Hey Wolfpup, do you post over at the notebook review forums or has someone copied your name? :D

I played with the Sony AW today, standard screen model, and the screen is pretty nice but the computer sure feels clunky. I closed the laptop, played with it with my hands and then when I went to open the lid I practically lifted the entire laptop. The hinge on that thing is super stiff. I felt like spraying some WD 40 on it.
 
Hey Wolfpup, do you post over at the notebook review forums or has someone copied your name? :D

I played with the Sony AW today, standard screen model, and the screen is pretty nice but the computer sure feels clunky. I closed the laptop, played with it with my hands and then when I went to open the lid I practically lifted the entire laptop. The hinge on that thing is super stiff. I felt like spraying some WD 40 on it.

That might well be me :D Although I do run across a lot of other Wolfpups too.

I can't decide if that Sony is going to horrify me or not. Considering the size of the screen, it actually seems pretty small, but still. That is if I actually order it. I've been going back and forth between that and the MBP and the Asus for decades now :D
 
That might well be me :D Although I do run across a lot of other Wolfpups too.

I can't decide if that Sony is going to horrify me or not. Considering the size of the screen, it actually seems pretty small, but still. That is if I actually order it. I've been going back and forth between that and the MBP and the Asus for decades now :D

Trust me I know how you feel. I actually have the unibody Macbook Pro and was thinking of switching to the AW mostly because I want to watch blu-ray movies and I've been disappointed with how windows runs but OS X and the machine itself is really nice so I dropped that idea. I've been converting a few blu-ray movies and I'm watching them using boxee and it's a good experience. Finding out how it all works was a bit of a pain but having my blu-ray movies on my HD or burned to a dual layer disc means I don't have to use windows for blu-ray anymore.
 
I assume you're having to resort to Anydvd? I'm scared to buy that because of it's...well I guess technically it's illegal in the U.S. even though you can do things with it (ie watch your own things you bought) that SHOULD be completely legal :mad:
 
Trust me I know how you feel. I actually have the unibody Macbook Pro and was thinking of switching to the AW mostly because I want to watch blu-ray movies and I've been disappointed with how windows runs but OS X and the machine itself is really nice so I dropped that idea. I've been converting a few blu-ray movies and I'm watching them using boxee and it's a good experience. Finding out how it all works was a bit of a pain but having my blu-ray movies on my HD or burned to a dual layer disc means I don't have to use windows for blu-ray anymore.

Sounds like a lot of pain to rip your Bluerays before you can watch it. I think that sort of workaround would make me simply buy a Blueray player for the telly or stop watching the format all-together, because, as you, I could never use another [as in "different than my main] platform if it were only for such a thing.
Partially serious: I think that with the way Apple is turning, they ought to have included blueray by now. If they want to be the new Sony, if they want to be "the entertainment products company", they should at least do that wholehearted.
 
Third, I really like how you show yourself to be without any arguments whatsoever, but instead choose to write "blah, blah, blah". That's really intelligent. Why are you even writing anything? What's the purpose?

I like to have fun on forums. Especially forums like this. In case you didn't notice, the OP was sharing their experience about the mac that they bought. That was the purpose of the post was not, in my opinion to start the ongoing Mac Vs PC debate.

That is why I wasn't debating you. If I was debating you I would not be arguing that the argument had no place here. I was making fun of you in fact. If you cannot see that then you are probably the one who needs to learn something about comprehension.

I do not work in the Audio industry so therefore I do not experience the problems that you do. I am a student studying politics, which means that I have different needs to you in almost every way.

I am also part of the iPod crowd as well. I believe that the iPod is a fantastic device and has changed the way we listen to music for ever. I am new to the Mac platform and like its style and (in my experience anyway) its stability.

That makes me no less of a person than you. That is nothing for you to criticise about me. If I like something because of the design or its looks, am I not entitled to my opinion? Just because people like the iPod and then like the mac does not mean that they are not smart, nor does it mean they are superficial. While they may like the mac for its looks, it is a consumer decision, not a long term relationship. It is a computer, not a friend.

I like my computer, but I also have a life outside of it. Maybe you should consider that before criticising those who make consumer choices that affect them.
 
I like to have fun on forums. Especially forums like this. In case you didn't notice, the OP was sharing their experience about the mac that they bought. That was the purpose of the post was not, in my opinion to start the ongoing Mac Vs PC debate.
What's striking are the double standards from you lot: On one hand it's okay to share "positive and awesome" experiences, but the moment someone disagrees with or have a different experience, those experiences shouldn't be shared.

That is why I wasn't debating you. If I was debating you I would not be arguing that the argument had no place here. I was making fun of you in fact. If you cannot see that then you are probably the one who needs to learn something about comprehension.
Sure you were…

Perhaps you should look up words like "sarcasm", "irony" and "funny", before you venture into those realms. The reality is, that it matters little that you now claim to have been "making fun" – your posts speak for themselves.

I do not work in the Audio industry so therefore I do not experience the problems that you do. I am a student studying politics, which means that I have different needs to you in almost every way.
And yet you still find it relevant to try to belittle my less than great experience on the mac platform?

I am also part of the iPod crowd as well. I believe that the iPod is a fantastic device and has changed the way we listen to music for ever. I am new to the Mac platform and like its style and (in my experience anyway) its stability.
One can own an iPod and not be part of "the Crowd", if you catch my drift.
What's stunning, though, is that, by your own admission, you're new to the platform, and thus have little practical experience "over here", yet you still think your hearsay arguments from fanboys about Macs being "superior" and whatnot carries weight? No, I'm not saying you're a fanboy, I'm saying that you seem to do nothing but regurgitate what those people told you to get you on the platform.

That makes me no less of a person than you. That is nothing for you to criticise about me. If I like something because of the design or its looks, am I not entitled to my opinion?
Don't be daft.
Of course you're allowed to your opinion, but the moment you try to belittle someone's real problems because you, with effectivily no more needs than a netbook could easily handle, have no problems with your no-needs approach and apparently think that then noone else have any problems either, then it IS my business, since I am one of those "someones".

Just because people like the iPod and then like the mac does not mean that they are not smart, nor does it mean they are superficial. While they may like the mac for its looks, it is a consumer decision, not a long term relationship. It is a computer, not a friend.
And once again you fail to see that when one relies on a certain apps in order to do your work, rely on certain ports to do one's work, one cannot act like the fickle iPod Crowd-consumer and simply move on to the next shiny thing.
Once again you're arguing that people should not have any more needs than the needs of the iPod Crowd, the lowest common denominator consumer.



I like my computer, but I also have a life outside of it. Maybe you should consider that before criticising those who make consumer choices that affect them.

Funny. I have a life where I rely on working with a computer. It's not the only thing that matters, though as is seldomly the case when you work in broadcast, but as it happens, one of the tools is a computer.

Yet you keep trying to argue that not only should I leave your choice alone, I should shut up when the iPod Crowd spews utterly ignorant nonsense about the platform being "superior". Better for connecting your iPods and iPhones?

So, do I have a life "outside" of my computer? Well, yes: As I don't buy a computer to match my iPod, nor buy a computer because "it looks great", nor because it's the "cool thing to buy", one could argue I have a whole lot more in my life than most from the iPod Crowd.
 
I'm a Windows IT professional so I think I make a good test case.
My new late 2008 MBP is my first Mac and I fell head over heels in love.
That being said, I haven't seen any difference in crash/bugs that I saw with Vista.
I run Vista 64 Ultimate in bootcamp so I get both worlds.
I will probably keep buying Mac notebooks but when I build my dream desktop next month, make no doubt about it, its going to be a Windows uber machine.
 
I'm actually happier with the Mac Pro than I am with any notebooks Apple offers. I mean the Mac Pro isn't too outrageously priced, considering it's shipping with two Xeons...an 8cpu Core i7 system may run $2500...and the Mac Pro is actually okay to push hard, whereas the notebooks...I don't know.

But, I need a notebook, so... :-/
 
Probably same for me. I have yet to see one mbp that doesn't have any ridiculous issues. I'm betting that a lot of the people who say theirs are perfect simply haven't noticed some flaws here or there, which is excellent for them. After my horrible experience with this mbp It'll be really hard to buy another mac even though I love the OS. Glad you're pleased with your purchase and hope you enjoy it for a long time.


Okay master of the universe whose own experiences define reality for the rest of us.
 
Heh, I just use both.

I got a HP laptop which is my entertainment powerhouse, and my little 12" powerbook. They are both good for different things. You see, the PowerBook is great for school because it is light and has a 4 hour battery life, which gets me through the first 3 periods. Then I can charge it at lunch. The HP is great for really long trips because:
-2 hour battery life with DVD-good for plane/car ride
-500 GB SATA HDD
-6 lbs (ok its pushing it...still great though!)
-15.4" dual lamp display
-wifi, dvd burner, etc.
-I bought it for $170 off a close friend haha..

So whether you are windows OR mac there is something for you in both.
 
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