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Ever heard of "strawman argumentation"? You just made yourself guilty of it.
:D You said: "Yes, many of them lacks a camera, but then again, it's an all-business computer (Thinkpads), not a toy." (in a comparison with MBPs)

Then I asked: "So you're implying MBPs are toys?"

Strawman fallacy... hardly but nice try :D

Sounds like you're either a geek or simply working in an office like setting only. I'm not surprised, though, since you don't know the difference between a netbook for consumers and a thinkpad.
I'm talking about laptops and gave a real world example but you keep insisting on making this a discussion about me (with the real deal strawman fallacies you falsely accuse me of) as if anyone cares or as if that has any bearing on this discussion.

I was just trying to help. I also have "workflows" written in Java which are platform independent (because I don't like lock in), but that is of little use for you or others on this board to know.

Why hang around here when you're so convinced Lenovo is the best way to go for you, & your thinkpad/lenovo buddies are waiting for you on another forum...
 
:D You said: "Yes, many of them lacks a camera, but then again, it's an all-business computer (Thinkpads), not a toy." (in comparison with MBPs)

Then I asked: "So you're implying MBPs are toys?"

Strawman fallacy... hardly but nice try :D

Like that. You're right. But the toy comment tied into the notion purported by you that you cared about translucent menus (your first example) and then went on to say you dabbled a bit in linux and then you mentioned the camera. Seriously, that hardly constitutes "work", in my opinion.



I'm talking about laptops and gave a real world example but you keep insisting on making this a discussion about me (with real strawman fallacies you falsely accuse me of making) as if anyone cares or as if that has any bearing on this discussion.
You don't think anyone cares whether what you say and claim have any bearing on the discussion? Why the hell do you discuss, then?
You seem to argue that your needs (basic desktop needs, dabling in linux et al) somehow means anything to anyone who works in the field or that we should be pleased with what you settle for and/or need.

I was just trying to help you as it sounds like a rash decision.
Really? In my first post in this thread I said that I have migrated my apps and workflows. What the hell do you figure "migrate" means? You think it's a "rash decision" after 19 years as Mac user? Come now, you really don't think that rhetorical nonsense makes sense, do you?

I also have "workflows" written in Java which are platform independent (because I don't like lock in), but that is of little use for you or others on this board to know.
LOL, I'm not talking about anything that amounts to "scripts". I'm talking about real-world "manual" workflows. You know: Gather some raw material, put it in your computer one way or another, work on it, and then in the end output it. In other words: Contents creation. As mentioned I work with audio and it's not midi or any other programming.

Why hang around here when you're so convinced Lenovo is the best way to go for you, & your thinkpad/lenovo buddies are waiting for you on another forum...

Ah, yet another idiotic argument going something along this: "I can't stand anyone criticising my favourite company. I will hear nothing of it, because I want to stay in my bubble and lab anything up my Lord Jobs tells me" and "I only want to hear good things because I cannot handle disagreement.". In other words "I want to stay in my bubble - please don't poke it". Grow up.

And btw: This is written on a 15" MBP, running OS X. Who are you to say who can say anything on these boards and what can be said? Oh, that's right. ANYTHING to stay in that bubble of yours.
 
Like that. You're right. But the toy comment tied into the notion purported by you that you cared about translucent menus (your first example) and then went on to say you dabbled a bit in linux and then you mentioned the camera. Seriously, that hardly constitutes "work", in my opinion.
You seemed to be fine with the way OS X used to work at some point, but not with the newest version(s), so....don't upgrade? I noticed on Windows you're not planning to go with the latest version. Why not?

Then you were apparently terribly unlucky with Apple hardware, which has not been my experience after owning several Macs. As I was demonstrating ThinkPads are not exactly flaw-free and I demonstrated with evidence that Apple users are generally the most satisfied, from a PC magazine article, which you immediately wrote off.

Then you admitted there is no real data we currently know about to prove one is more reliable either. Can you say for certain that your Lenovo FW port will never break? I am on my 4th gen MBP and never had any problem with the FW ports. This is all anecdotal.

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Fyi, my workflows are part of real-world activities performed by real people and have saved 1000s of hours and are used for...content creation. The entry point to a computer and exit point from are real too. I'm talking about the part that is on the computer being platform independent so that my company can stay agile and easily scale without locking into a single vendor.

I'm fine hearing anything negative people have to say about OS X and Macs. I don't own any Apple stocks. You're attacking a strawman. Like I said, I also use Linux. I really just ask myself why you're here because you already made your firm decision to move on. It's like telling your mate that you are breaking up, but then just sit there instead of getting up and leaving. I would guess in this case that you have some regrets or maybe really don't want to go. In that case I'd say you're welcome to hang around but better improve your attitude, but what do I know I am just a "simply working in an office like setting" person :D
 
You seemed to be fine with the way OS X used to work at some point, but not with the newest version(s), so....don't upgrade? I noticed on Windows you're not planning to go with the latest version. Why not?

Hmm, my battery is screwy most likely because of a security update. The reason I think it's a security update is because my gf runs tiger, and she too suddenly had the problem.
At one point I went back to tiger because leopard was not just buggy, it was close to useless.

Then you were apparently terribly unlucky with Apple hardware, which has not been my experience after owning several Macs.
Wow, after ignoring arguments for post after post, you suddenly go back? Anyway, you make it sound like I only owned one Apple computer in my 19 years of being a Macuser.
The problem is, that I am not alone in thinking that the quality is dwindling.

Secondly, it taught me a valuable lesson: Never be tied in. As it happens, it all goes hand in hand with the success of the iPods and the catering to that crowd only.

As I was demonstrating ThinkPads are not exactly flaw-free
You didn't demonstrate anything. I never said nor implied that Thinkpads were flaw-free. I said that Apple's quality control is all but gone, and thus I will be moving on to something less prone to problems. There's QUITE the difference.

and I demonstrated with evidence that Apple users are generally the most satisfied, from a PC magazine article, which you immediately wrote off.

Of course I write off an article about DESKtops when we talk about LAPtops, especially considering it's from a US magasine when I have to deal with Apple Ewwrope (remember, the ones that gave me a hard time while I was installing, reinstalling, exchanging computers and whatnot for 18 months).



Then you admitted there is no real data we currently know about to prove one is more reliable either. Can you say for certain that your Lenovo FW port will never break?
Wow, this time you really are using strawman argumentation just like in the above example with "flaw-free" computers: I don't ask for a computer with a port that guaranteed NEVER will break. I ask for a WORKING one from the start. The FW port on the MBP is USELESS even if it's "up to spec". The fact is, that the Lucent Agere chipset makes it a nonstarter. Sheesh!

I am on my 4th gen MBP and never had any problem with the FW ports. This is all anecdotal.
The FW-problem is not about the physical ports breaking. In the recent ones it's about the chipset. In the ones I had to have exchanged it was about it not working from the moment I received them. Time after time after time. Just like the numerous motherboards.


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Fyi, my workflows are part of real-world activities performed by real people and have saved 1000s of hours and are used for...content creation.
You don't get it, do you? I work with AUDIO, meaning I have to get the AUDIO into the computer, LISTEN to it, while I EDIT the audio, BOUNCE it to a disk, and then DISTRIBUTE OR SEND IT, so it can be BROADCAST.
Show me a bloody SCRIPT which can do such a thing, and I will give you a million dollar! Canadian, no less.

The entry point to a computer and exit point from are real too.
Yes, they propably are, but as usual you're missing the point entirely. You STILL think that you can script your way out of these problems. What a joke this is.

I'm talking about the part that is on the computer being platform independent so that my company can stay agile and easily scale without locking into a single vendor.
As I believe I have explained quite a few times by now: My work is NOT scriptable. I work with AUDIO. My AUDIO is indeed platform independant, but my AUDIO apps and the inherent workflows certainly ARE NOT. You really think that one audio app is the same as the next? Let me tell you that audio and video apps have really steep learning curves, and since I compete, not only with other media outlets but with colleagues too, I can't sit around and not have my workflow down. As I said, I do contents creation. Funnily enough, that is also where my focus should be.


I'm fine hearing anything negative people have to say about OS X and Macs. I don't own any Apple stocks. You're attacking a strawman. Like I said, I also use Linux.
See above with regards to the "platform independence".

You "dabbling with linux" has no bearing on how you come off as a fanboy ignoring that some people will simply not be able to use a laptop from Apple for their real-life day-to-day work.

I really just ask myself why you're here because you already made your firm decision to move on. It's like telling your mate that you are breaking up, but then just sit there instead of getting up and leaving.
I know. You'd prefer it if it was just you and your peers sitting here, praising the work of Jobs.

I would guess in this case that you have some regrets or maybe really don't want to go.
You think? After 19 years on a platform I use to make a living you think I can do like the iPod Crowd and simply "move on" with no regrets to the next shiny object?

In that case I'd say you're welcome to hang around but better improve your attitude,
Haha, yes. Perhaps I need to adjust it. But seriously, I may be impatient with idiocy, but the fact that you don't even get that people have different needs than your lack of translucent menus really needs adjusting too.

but what do I know I am just a "simply working in an office like setting" person :D

Well, so far, you haven't named a single thing you use a laptop for. You haven't even understood howcome some people might need a working laptop in the field, nor that not everyone's jobs are scriptable. So, yes, it does seem you work in an "office-like setting" and have no clue as to how it is to work in the field and be dependable on your laptop with a set deadline ten minutes away.
 
Geez, what's wrong with you people? People like what they like -- let them! I just got a Macbook Pro and so far it works great for everything I need.

but if someone else doesn't like it i'm not going to get into a pissing match over it.
 
Some people get the greatest pleasure in trying to prove they're right to another person on the internet :rolleyes:

Why are you guys even on a discussion forum if you don't like to discuss anything?

If we all went apathetic as you guys want under the guise of "why can't we all just agree to disagree", then they might as well close this place.

But then again, perhaps you aren't really making appeal to apathy but one to conformity.
 
Why are you guys even on a discussion forum if you don't like to discuss anything?

If we all went apathetic as you guys want under the guise of "why can't we all just agree to disagree", then they might as well close this place.

But then again, perhaps you aren't really making appeal to apathy but one to conformity.

No, no I really enjoyed reading all your responses I got a good laugh, keep 'em coming please.
 
Honestly, after being an Apple lover for 8 years, I'm kinda tired of them. I think I was after the fact that they were different. But now... not so much. As a college student, I'm one of thousands who has a Mac. Don't get me wrong, they're amazing computers with a fantastic operating system, but I want some more variety. I need more choices!!
 
Well I think Tosser that you're willingness to compromise with Microsoft's old OS while expecting the latest version of OS X to meet all your needs somehow does not seem fair.

In the years you have been using Macs, Apple is not the only company to cut manufacturing costs (e.g., production in China), regardless Mac users are among the most satisfied in the industry. You are doing the opposite of the current trend but maybe in your case its better although its not clear why. You're working in audio and had some bad luck with Apple hardware but cannot tolerate any downtime, in which case it would be prudent to have a backup machine, or ready to pull the trigger on a new purchase, regardless of the brand.

I agree from firsthand experience that service in Europe (in areas without Apple Stores) is subpar compared to Apple USA, but isn't that generally the case? American customers are more demanding (and can resort to class action lawsuits). With Apple Europe repairs may take longer, you may have to pay to call them, you probably won't be compensated for your trouble, but I would be surprised if Lenovo offers better service than Apple in Europe.

Good luck and enjoy XP + your new Leneuvo!! :)
 
Honestly, after being an Apple lover for 8 years, I'm kinda tired of them. I think I was after the fact that they were different. But now... not so much. As a college student, I'm one of thousands who has a Mac. Don't get me wrong, they're amazing computers with a fantastic operating system, but I want some more variety. I need more choices!!
I had to jump onto an XP machine today because of an obscure format called .docx (I don't have Office 98) & had to get a file from Outlook. If you are used to a Mac and have this simple task to boot a Windows machine and open Outlook, I think you will be shocked to find out that it takes a long time!!! I did not time it but I got bored waiting, went to get a cappuccino, drank the cappuccino, chatted with a colleague, came back...and Outlook was STILL loading :mad: Maybe try Linux for a while?
 
Well I think Tosser that you're willingness to compromise with Microsoft's old OS while expecting the latest version of OS X to meet all your needs somehow does not seem fair.
I am not comparing XP to OS X' latest directly. I am comparing an over all experience. In other words, I am comparing buggy hardware and software to a proven, widely supported (and working) OS and a platform that will give me the hardware quality I want.


In the years you have been using Macs, Apple is not the only company to cut manufacturing costs (e.g., production in China), regardless Mac users are among the most satisfied in the industry.
Is it possible for you to be any more apologetic? I have already mentioned I have been using PCs "on the side" all along, so the strawman notion that I'm out of touch with the pc world, and that I will not be able to get better quality from the pc-side of things than I can on the iPod-company side is just that: Apologetic nonsense.

You are doing the opposite of the current trend but maybe in your case its better although its not clear why.
It's not? I have explained this time and time again, and if you don't get it by now, it's on you, not me.

You're working in audio and had some bad luck with Apple hardware but cannot tolerate any downtime, in which case it would be prudent to have a backup machine, or ready to pull the trigger on a new purchase, regardless of the brand.
You see, I can have any machine I want as a back up, but you really have no clue how it is to work with audio out in the field if you think that you can swap within the hour or expect people to continously carry two laptops at all times.

The very idea that I should "ready to pull the trigger on a new purchase at any time" is equally ridiculous. Yes, I will have to, but do you really think that someone with specific needs can suddenly switch platforms with hours notice? Even with your needs of only connecting mp3-players and iphones would have a hard time doing that. Then imagine someone who actually have to set up vpn, install all sorts of specific software and have the set-up approved. Yup, your pseudo argument sure sounds like the prudent thing to do. However, what I will do, since I spent a year migrating workflows is that if this dies a sudden death, I am ready with a day's notice to get a loaner, and then spent a week getting the Thinkpad I want, install everything and get up and running. But the only reason for this is that I spent the time migrating beforehand and have everything set up, ready to be installed.


I agree from firsthand experience that service in Europe (in areas without Apple Stores) is subpar compared to Apple USA, but isn't that generally the case? American customers are more demanding (and can resort to class action lawsuits). With Apple Europe repairs may take longer, you may have to pay to call them, you probably won't be compensated for your trouble, but I would be surprised if Lenovo offers better service than Apple in Europe.
To some extent you're right. American consumers are more demanding. At least when it comes to service. But that is no excuse for Apple, even by a longshot. Secondly, my experience and the experience of people I know who had to deal with lenovo is that their service was much better. They are frankly amazed how ridiculously the iPod Company acts. How short sighted they act.


Good luck and enjoy XP + your new Leneuvo!! :)

I rarely "enjoy computers", but I am looking forward to a working experience and I am certainly looking forward to not having to jump through hoops to make things work.


I had to jump onto an XP machine today because of an obscure format called .docx (I don't have Office 98) & had to get a file from Outlook. If you are used to a Mac and have this simple task to boot a Windows machine and open Outlook, I think you will be shocked to find out that it takes a long time!!! I did not time it but I got bored waiting, went to get a cappuccino, drank the cappuccino, chatted with a colleague, came back...and Outlook was STILL loading :mad: Maybe try Linux for a while?

Hmm, yes, some computers are slow, others aren't. So you try out one computer, presumably at your work place, and conclude that XP is slow?

I have worked in many places, and it's true that some computers are slow, but to generalise and claim that XP as such is slow is at best guesswork on your part.

Btw. .docx is not an obscure format. It stinks, but it's not obscure. Office 2007/2008 use it as the standard format to save in, so you better get that open office package or go upgrade your office-suite, because more and more people use the format.
 
I had to jump onto an XP machine today because of an obscure format called .docx (I don't have Office 98) & had to get a file from Outlook. If you are used to a Mac and have this simple task to boot a Windows machine and open Outlook, I think you will be shocked to find out that it takes a long time!!! I did not time it but I got bored waiting, went to get a cappuccino, drank the cappuccino, chatted with a colleague, came back...and Outlook was STILL loading :mad: Maybe try Linux for a while?

Too much of a apple fanboy to know that docx is new. :eek::eek:
 
Tosser, you may not need a signature, but you sure need an editor. Seriously man, I read the first few of your tome-like posts multi quoting and multi quoting your own little conversations to yourself and then skipped the rest... I get it.. Macs are terrible now... blah blah.. windows is great ... blah blah... I am going to define practical because you cannot... blah blah... using a webcam isnt work... blah blah... I dont need a signature because I am above you....

To the OP, I think it is time you changed the title of your thread to 'Mac vs PC has stolen my thread please help!'. Enjoy your new Macbook Pro, especially that two finger scroll gesture, you are going to need it to cut through the tripe that has been posted here.

Personally I like OSX far better than windows. I have used Windows since 95 and can definitely say that my switch has been effortless. I get far more done than I ever could on my previous machine.

I just wish that the Mac vs PC argument would go to where it belongs. In the trash/recycle bin.

Btw, I know I am going to be multi-quoted and have every sentence pulled apart out of context, but I don't care. I have better things to do than stroke my ego on macrumors all day... there are far more important issues in the world than operating systems.

Maybe one day Tosser will realise that.
 
I just wish that the Mac vs PC argument would go to where it belongs. In the trash/recycle bin.

Well said. I happen to prefer OS X, but that doesn't mean everyone has to prefer it. But I think more diversity on the OS market is a good thing, and know Windows admins who agree. It's good to see MS to loose market share, even for Windows "fans". More competition means more innovation and more improvements, a monopoly means stagnation. In the end it is good for consumers that there is choice.
 
Tosser, you may not need a signature, but you sure need an editor. Seriously man, I read the first few of your tome-like posts multi quoting and multi quoting your own little conversations to yourself and then skipped the rest... I get it.. Macs are terrible now... blah blah.. windows is great ... blah blah... I am going to define practical because you cannot... blah blah... using a webcam isnt work... blah blah... I dont need a signature because I am above you....
Wow, so much focus on my signature? Is there any way you can put any more into my signature?

Secondly, where did I quote myself and then respond to it? I may need an editor when speaking english, but you sure need a reading comprehension class.

Third, I really like how you show yourself to be without any arguments whatsoever, but instead choose to write "blah, blah, blah". That's really intelligent. Why are you even writing anything? What's the purpose?

To the OP, I think it is time you changed the title of your thread to 'Mac vs PC has stolen my thread please help!'. Enjoy your new Macbook Pro, especially that two finger scroll gesture, you are going to need it to cut through the tripe that has been posted here.
Or maybe, just maybe I'm responding to people like you who really don't like when someone goes "well, there are problems with OSX and Apple hardware as well". If one post something like that, you and your peers are all up in arms.

Personally I like OSX far better than windows. I have used Windows since 95 and can definitely say that my switch has been effortless. I get far more done than I ever could on my previous machine.

Good for you. My decision isn't based on what I like "the best". It's based on what works the best. After 19 years of being a Macuser, there are now too many workarounds, too many bugs, and too many problems with the hardware (both QC and option-wise) for me to stay. Of course, I would have preferred to stay. It would have saved me many hours of migration and workflow analysis.

However, I consider it an investment.

I just wish that the Mac vs PC argument would go to where it belongs. In the trash/recycle bin.
Ah, yes. What a good idea. Then we could have threads were people would praise a platform and talk **** about another they know naught about. What do you expect when someone makes a thread, basically saying one is superior in all aspects, spewing something that might have been true ten years ago?


Btw, I know I am going to be multi-quoted and have every sentence pulled apart out of context, but I don't care.
I really think you should look up the phrase "out of context". Adressing each and every point of your strawmen, pseudo argumentation and false premises is not taking things out of context in any way. On the contrary, it shows what your rant is all about. You know: If the premises are wrong, the argument doesn't work.

I have better things to do than stroke my ego on macrumors all day... there are far more important issues in the world than operating systems.
Once again another strawman and yet you felt you "needed" to stroke your ego by trying to shut someone down, simply because you won't stand hearing about that SOME people might actually not be following the herd but rather make an informed decision, contemplated for years?
Ah, yes. You're certainly not stroking yourself …


Maybe one day Tosser will realise that.

Maybe one day Bjørn will understand that the world does not revolve around his needs, wants, and wishes, that he has no business trying to dictate what can and what cannot be said.
I doubt it, though.
 
First, this stupid back and forth circular bickering is stupid. Second, Tosser, what are the work arounds your current work flow require. This is not me trying to bait you. I'm genuienly interested in hearing your reasons for switching, not the generalized versions, but actual examples. Like: The audio equipment I use is all FireWire 400, and the need for a 400-800 adaptor is what I consider a work around. Or: The industry standard audio format I work in is not natively supported under Leopard, so I've had to find an intermediary codec that my colleagues then convert on their windows machines. That would probably satisfy the apologists here. Maybe not. It would satisfy my curiosity.
 
First, this stupid back and forth circular bickering is stupid. Second, Tosser, what are the work arounds your current work flow require. This is not me trying to bait you. I'm genuienly interested in hearing your reasons for switching, not the generalized versions, but actual examples. Like: The audio equipment I use is all FireWire 400, and the need for a 400-800 adaptor is what I consider a work around. Or: The industry standard audio format I work in is not natively supported under Leopard, so I've had to find an intermediary codec that my colleagues then convert on their windows machines. That would probably satisfy the apologists here. Maybe not. It would satisfy my curiosity.

I'll take it at face value, because it does indeed sound like a genuine question. :)

Just to name a few and in no particular order:
I needed to downlaod (and pay for, of course) missing sync for mac in order to use anything other than bluetooth transfers of vcards with my phone. It's still a pain in arse, though. Then there is the much bigger problem of using my computer connected to such things as Dalet [clicky]. Of course, it would help if I ran windows on my Mac.

Having to delete the bloody index-files or watchmacallit that my OS leaves behind (even on my phone) after the computer has been connected and so on.

I'm having plenty of general networking problems as of late, allthough many of them I have spend quite a deal of time working around, getting me less security, but at least access.

With the recent editions of the 15 inch MacBook, it's not simply a question anymore about buying an 800-400 adaptor. The problem is, of course, that they use an inferior fw-chipset in it, and that even expresscard fw-adaptors have numerous problems, making it just as big a nonstarter as the non-firewire 13 inch macbook.

The 17 incher, then? Well, I carry around a recorder (Sound Devices 722), batteries, headphones, microphones and zeppeliner, notepad, pens, two phones, often times a telephone hybrid (it's a phone recording interface) and more, I am not willing to carry a 17 inch laptop aroun to get a working firewire connection.

(I won't go into the glossy screens, suffice to say that I have no intention of constantly moving about to not be annoyed.)

Hardware quality, or lack of same: I'm seriously disappointed how catering to the iPod Crowd only has made the quality go down fast and steady. And in this regard, I don't really care how many switchers think that Apple makes "awesome quality" computers because they think aluminium is tough. It's certainly not my experience.

I haven't mentioned all of it, but I hope you can see that it's not just a single thing, but many things.


EDIT/ADD:
Reading through my post again, while ignoring all the craptacular grammar and typos, I realise it all boils down to this:


I am not willing to let such a small part of my workflow and computer "experience" be dictated by a computer company. I am not willing to work slower and "make do", when it's possible not to.

Or put another way:
A computer company's whims should not dictate how I work, nor force me to change workflows and get rid of all my gear, go ten years back in time capabilty-wise, nor should it force me to go buy consumer gear in order to make a living.
 
WHO CARES! If you dont like Macs, dont come on a macforum and complain. If you dont like PC's, Dont go on a PC forum and complain. Just buy your computer of choice and let that be the end of it. You people argue over nothing.......
 
WHO CARES! If you dont like Macs, dont come on a macforum and complain. If you dont like PC's, Dont go on a PC forum and complain. Just buy your computer of choice and let that be the end of it. You people argue over nothing.......

Wow. You think I don't "like Macs"? Have you read my posts? I think having been on the platform since I was a teenager 19 years ago speaks for itself.

Secondly, why are you even in this thread? Besides seeming like yet another member of the iPod-Club, you seem to be arguing that a discussion forum should not be used for discussion, but rather for glorifying posts only.

It's dead-certain: Whenever someone posts valid complaints, some daft comment will be made to take it elsewhere, oftentimes inferring that the person complaining is a PC-fanboy.
 
Too much of a apple fanboy to know that docx is new. :eek::eek:
I'll get back to Tosser and this a point he made too... I am quite familiar with docx and have written filters to parse data from this format. It is the first time Microsoft has come reasonably close to an XML format that can be reasonably parsed. You can add .zip to the end and crack it open and see what's inside.

I said "obscure" as a joke because most people in the office using PCs are using Office 2005 & seem to dread the idea of having to get used to the differences in Office 2007. Most people I have spoken with prefer getting a free tool from MS which allows them to open and save docs as .docx, .xlsx & .pptx from Office 2005.
 
Tosser, you certainly are entitled to your opinions, as are all of us. The problem for me is that you picked up the "Mac vs. PC" arguement and ran with it, to the point of not seeing when you had made your position clear, thus when to quit. Your line-by-line multi-quoting, particularly of macrem, just seems like someone who can't let it go, and often dropped into the realm of being downright insulting (using terms like "idiocy," "nonsense," "ridiculous," "grow up," "sounds like you're a geek or working in an office-like setting only...," "what the hell do you think....," "you don't get it, do you," "fanboy..." etc. etc. <~whew...~>

Why don't you please quit trying so hard to be smarter than everyone else? Nobody is insulting you, and your tone has been tiresome. Post all you want, but don't turn reasonable folks off by resorting to degrading the person making their points (same goes for them...) but instead just make the point minus all the above snarkiness. Otherwise it gives the impression that you have far too much time on your hands, despite all the work you claim you must do, and also gives the impression that you don't often get listened to, so you turn everything into a fight. Please think about it. Honestly. I am not attacking you, but giving you some straight feedback from someone who simply came to this thread to read about someone who was enjoying their new MBP.

PS: I've been guilty myself of getting too emotionally wrapped up in an arguement, so I recognize it when I see it. :)
 
Tosser, you certainly are entitled to your opinions, as are all of us. The problem for me is that you picked up the "Mac vs. PC" arguement and ran with it, to the point of not seeing when you had made your position clear, thus when to quit. Your line-by-line multi-quoting, particularly of macrem, just seems like someone who can't let it go, and often dropped into the realm of being downright insulting (using terms like "idiocy," "nonsense," "ridiculous," "grow up," "sounds like you're a geek or working in an office-like setting only...," "what the hell do you think....," "you don't get it, do you," "fanboy..." etc. etc. <~whew...~>

Well, when someone thinks that gathering audio, interviewing people, driving back and/or transferring things to a computer and then afterwards edit it manually etc. is the same as a scriptable workflow, then that person surely does not work in the field nor has the insight to claim that it's no problem.

Why don't you please quit trying so hard to be smarter than everyone else?
I'm not. I can't help it that so many people seem to never have met anyone with an opinion.

Nobody is insulting you, and your tone has been tiresome. Post all you want, but don't turn reasonable folks off by resorting to degrading the person making their points (same goes for them...) but instead just make the point minus all the above snarkiness.
My "snarkiness" is proportional to the amount of desk jockeys, fanboys and teens loving their iPod and iPhone (thinking that noone can have a need for anything else than they) trying to tell me and other people how there is "no problem since they have never had a need for anything else than a single usb port to connect their iPhone).

Otherwise it gives the impression that you have far too much time on your hands, despite all the work you claim you must do,
That's a strawman. I never said I never had any spare time, nor that I worked constantly. I have been talking about "deadlines", which is an entirely different beast.


and also gives the impression that you don't often get listened to, so you turn everything into a fight.
Can you overanalyse any more extremely? The reason I become "snarky" (thank you, it reminds me of Jack London), is because I grow impatient. But I guess that in your book, impatience translates to "not being listened to".


Please think about it. Honestly. I am not attacking you, but giving you some straight feedback from someone who simply came to this thread to read about someone who was enjoying their new MBP.
Yes. And as usual, the glorifying iPod Crowd would have liked it if all there was was back padding.
In all honesty, take a look at the FW-thread now running on more than 2600 posts. If you read just a tad of it, you would see why the impatience grow.

PS: I've been guilty myself of getting too emotionally wrapped up in an arguement, so I recognize it when I see it. :)

Well, this time your recognised wrong. The only thing I got caught up in is my impatience with nonsense, although I do realise I come off a little harsh. I put that down to the language barrier and cultural differences, though.
 
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