OpenAI Responds After Being Sued by Apple

[jz0309]

that wording is interesting, but of course they deny it, everyone would ...
this will be interesting to watch ...

 

[HazeAndHahmahneez]

Well a response like: “we will collaborate with justice to get this situation cleared” would be more honest for both parties even

This is an amazing response I don’t really hear that often …it doesn’t deflect it doesn’t deny it doesn’t admit…it’s collaborative

I have avoided everything from that company for a reason.

So this is chatGPT right??…any thing more to know of that you hear that’s perhaps not well known?

That’s what’s called “a non-denial denial”.

A denial would be: “We didn’t steal trade secrets” not “We’re not interested in trade secrets”.

Interesting, yeah it could certainly be “we’re not interested (now that we already have what we need)”…

Not a lawyer, but if Apple can prove much of this, OpenAI is pretty screwed. Tang Tan isn’t some low-level poached engineer but the chief hardware officer there. The alleged organized malfeasance is pretty deep into the C-suite. They have to be evaluating if there’s anything in their prototypes/future devices that have a scintilla of technology Apple can trace back to these leaks. It will cost Apple less to drag this out in court, pushing OpenAI’s hardware ambitions to a later launch, than to settle this.

So you think biggest case scenario this could get ChatGPT completely shut down? Chat is under openAI right?

And what is C-suit??…I think I’ve heard it before…

 

[unkl bob]

"I was in Cleveland at the time."

 

[richpjr]

So this is chatGPT right??…any thing more to know of that you hear that’s perhaps not well known?

ChatGPT, Codex and their APIs.

 

[X38]

Right, I think an underappreciated aspect of this suit is that it stops OpenAI dead in their tracks in several ways. Unless they want to for double jeopardy.

Good point. Not obvious what OpenAI has to offer Apple here in terms of a settlement that would be more valuable to Apple than simply letting this play out in court forever while hanging as a cloud over OpenAI’s head. And sending a pretty clear message to any more Apple peeps thinking of switching to Altman’s boat.

 

[Zoboomafoo]

Company dedicated exclusively to theft of others work denies wanting to steal from people. K.

 

[collin_]

Why would they even issue such an unconvincing statement...

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

You better believe that Apple has proof that the whole hiring process was organized like that and that the company is rotten to its core. If they only had proof that two people or so did that, they'd just go after those two.

They will always go after the company first. The employees would be guilty as well, but the company is responsible for their actions, even if they had no knowledge of the behavior. If the company faces a judgement, they can prosecute their own employees for their behavior.

 

[BGrifter]

Savvy move from the Apple legal department getting this in while OpenAI still has some resources to pay out.

 

[Elwe]

That’s their initial PR response. A legal answer to Apple’s complaint will be filed with the court, and a good deal of it should be public. We’ll be able to better discern OpenAI’s true response then. If Apple has the evidence that is implied in the original story, about the only thing they can do is plead that multiply employees did indeed do this without their knowledge, and that none of those employees’ skills or information was required to build OpenAI products to any great degree. Which they know will open up wide levels of discovery. With the kind of stuff the WSJ says is happening internally, I’m guessing their lead legal counselor is fighting any chance of that until well after an IPO.

 

[now i see it]

It’s pretty amusing to ask Google Gemini AI about the Oracle/OpenAI house of cards. Try it some time.

 

[aidler]

Short answer. There is nothing more to answer to Apple's convoluted indictment.
Btw. I don't believe any of these companies.

 

[Pitogyro]

The fact that Jony Ive could have something to do this makes it very juicy but like all lawsuits this will drag on for years…

 

[lotones]

apparently they've hired Jon Prosser's lawyer...

 

[Zwhaler]

I can almost picture Sam’s face when he approved that message.

 

[Skwoodge]

For a company whose entire business is built around stealing the collective intellectual property of humanity and then charging a fee to access it, Open AI chose quite possibly the most hypocritical rebuttal imaginable.

Pretty much. Why these AI companies haven't already been sued into oblivion is beyond me.

 

[555gallardo]

Drew should be given Nobel Peace Award.

 

[superarijit]

That OpenAI rejoinder will sell as well as Ive's Ferrari.

 

[Robert.Walter]

We weren't committing RICO crimes, we were only stealing a few trade secrets!

 

[name99]

This is another way of saying ( like on a school playground -)

“you stole something of mine!”

“No I didn’t!”

“There see, told you I didn’t steal anything!”

Not exactly.
The response is trying to create the impression that OpenAI had nothing to do with this (implying that it was all Tan and Liu's behavior). But the fact that they aren't willing to state this outright makes it very clear that, in fact, this is not limited to Tan and Liu...

To anyone who understands basic human psychology (and legal culpability) this was a truly dumb response. It makes them look worse, not better! I was willing, yesterday, to entertain the possibility that this was limited to Tan and Liu, but OpenAI being unwilling to go down that path in their statements makes it very clear that this extends higher up the company.

 

[hagar]

They stole all the world’s data over the last years. So it’s hard to take their word for it.

 

[Black Belt]

They were caught red-handed. And they know it. This is after they have been stealing intellectual property from everyone to train their model.

 

[hajime]

For a company whose entire business is built around stealing the collective intellectual property of humanity and then charging a fee to access it, Open AI chose quite possibly the most hypocritical rebuttal imaginable.

Send the CEO and all executives to jail. I dislike this King of Thieves more than TC. It is people like him and those running that search company causing big increase in RAM and computer prices.

 

[Vincent Hanna]

That’s what’s called “a non-denial denial”.

A denial would be: “We didn’t steal trade secrets” not “We’re not interested in trade secrets”.

Agreed. This statement from OpenAI very intentionally does not refute any of the claims in Apple’s lawsuit.

 

[noannualfee]

Chris Hansen has heard more believable denials.