OpenAI Responds After Being Sued by Apple

[MallardDuck]

"Except harvesting up every copyrighted work in existence without any permission or consent from the rights holders."

It had to get pretty bad and pretty brazen for Apple to sue, but this does explain why they went with Gemini instead of a better LLM.

 

[CapitalIdea]

Curiously short statement from a company that took out full page verbose ads about those Super Bowl commercials that mentioned ads coming to chatbots and in which Sam Altman tried to claim OpenAI was for the little guys and everyone else was for rich elites.

 

[Smartuser]

they went with Gemini instead of a better LLM.

No, they didn’t. Take a few minutes to read up on what they’re actually doing, it’s also in the WWDC keynote.

 

[Homy]

 

[paulvee]

Altman is a sociopath.

 

[dandyryan]

lmao openai be stealing EVERYTHING. as if they aint scraping the entire internet to train their AI.

 

[HMI]

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

AI companies steal everyone's content from the internet for training their AI without any compensation or recourse for those with legitimate copyrighted, patented, and trademarked works, but then think we should all believe them when they tell us they don't also steal trade secrets because they claim to have integrity?

Hmmmmm. OK?

 

[isomorphic]

"We have no interest in other companies’ trade secrets, because if we said we did, that might be admitting to multiple felonies."

"We have no interest in other companies’ trade secrets, we are interested in what their trade secrets aren't, so we can build products that are almost, but not quite, violating those secrets."

"We have no interest in other companies’ trade secrets, because companies other than OpenAI can't have ‘trade secrets’; they just have information we have not yet uncovered for our training data."

 

[mjs916]

It seems like Apple has a lot of physical evidence. It’s funny how people‘s morals go out the window when double the salary is dangled in front of them.

What, do you expect them to live in a Bay Area luxury apartment & drive a Porsche forever? What kind of life would that be? /s

 

[FyrStrike]

Doesn’t bother me. I love AI and the opportunities it’s creating, both now and in the future. Neurostatics can stay behind if they want.

 

[Circa1984]

Simple: Just find the Chang Liu and Tang Tan’s in any organization if you want to steal intellectual property. Hundreds of examples of this again and again.

 

[attila]

Representative of the world's first public mega plagiarism machine says they're not interested in trade secrets.

 

[djgamble]

“We have no interest in other companies’ trade secrets,” said an OpenAI spokesperson. “But if we could train our models on them... well...”

Since everybody’s trying to think up cringeworthy analogies…

It’d be like Apple publicly advertising the Mac Studio on apple.com as an ARM-based machine “Built for Apple Intelligence”. Someone else then builds an aluminium desktop with an ARM CPU and advertises it as “Built for ChatGPT”. Apple couldn’t reasonably call the existence of an ARM desktop in an aluminium case a commercial secret when they’d already published the underlying concept themselves.

The interesting question isn’t whether competitors can build similar products (or whether anybody trusts big tech). It’s whether any genuinely confidential information was taken and used.

 

[jdawgnoonan]

This is rich coming from a company for which the key feature of their product is that it presents the stolen ideas of every human with content or potential trade secrets that it could learn from and then shares that knowledge without compensation for the idea/content originator. I am not saying Open AI is not an amazing product, because it is, but the crux of the product is that it presents other people's ideas because it can't actually make its own (because it is not actually "Intelligent"). Also, the creepy Ive videos and all of the Apple employees that they have poached indicate that they are interested in Apple.

 

[Morgenland]

Standard BS response.

Standard ChatGPT response ;-)

 

[Plutonius]

Who needs lawyers when the AI can respond 🙂.

 

[Smartuser]

Since everybody’s trying to think up cringeworthy analogies…

It’d be like Apple publicly advertising the Mac Studio on apple.com as an ARM-based machine “Built for Apple Intelligence”. Someone else then builds an aluminium desktop with an ARM CPU and advertises it as “Built for ChatGPT”. Apple couldn’t reasonably call the existence of an ARM desktop in an aluminium case a commercial secret when they’d already published the underlying concept themselves.

Right. Hot from the Apple campus by way of a former employee, here's the Apple design document for the Mac Studio that describes the entire process to build one in three steps:

1. Build desktop computer from aluminum,
2. Make sure to put an ARM CPU in,
3. There is no step 3.

And I had thought all the time that it wasn't quite so easy and involved some more complicated processes.

The interesting question isn’t whether competitors can build similar products (or whether anybody trusts big tech). It’s whether any genuinely confidential information was taken and used.

The genuinely confidential information, as in no true Scotsman.