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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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So Jobs is the last of the final five?
Surprisingly enough I have the same experience with Gateway but the models are separated by operating systems and model numbers. The computer cases were the same though but internally the two towers were different models. Are you sure you're not experiencing the same thing? Keep in mind this was in the early Pentium 4 era where one day you'd see RDRAM or DDR and USB 1.1 or 2.0.
I haven't seen this reproduced lately.
Well, Well, Well
psystar.com is back up and running (albeit very slowly), and the OpenMac has now become the Open Computer...
psystar.com is back up and running (albeit very slowly), and the OpenMac has now become the Open Computer...
Notice someone mentioned wanting a "mid-tower." This would fit in the iMac category. The Mac Pro is a pro machine and not a consumer tower.Well, I'll set myself back a few months.
I'm actually saving for a MacMini and a hackintosh. I'm about to pull the trigger on a PSU... she's a beauty: http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/psu-192.jpg and not too expensive. You can nary find a 700W PSU for $125 and that one is $150. I'll take it, thanks. My current PSU is struggling to power two HDDs, two DVD drives and and Geforce 5500FX. How lame is that? Oh, well, it came with the case.
I know, I know, you didn't ask for my whole life story.
L3X, meet Mac Pro; Mac Pro, meet L3X.
Not aerodynamic, just sits on the ground, bulky, clunky. You just described the MacPro to perfect detail.
If you care to retract your claim, I will allow it. I will also make the case that Apple could design an xMac with equal or greater beauty than the MacPro.
-Clive
Again, Apple will never create a "mid-tower."
The Mac Pro is a tower because the "pro" specs require it.
The iMac is not a tower because the consumer specs did not force them to put it in a "mid tower."
Personally I think they won't take off, they'll never become mainstream. Most average people who only want to spend $555 on a computer don't have the knowledge to even run Linux, let alone keep up with patches and everything else. Maybe the super-tech savvy people will buy them to save money, but the company won't take off-that is, unless they offer some kind of update/Leopard management system so people's OS doesn't randomly die after an upadte. I think Apple will just let this one slide.
And you would be CORRECT.
I see no problem with people buying their own hardware and a copy of Leopard and building their own, providing themselves with a mid-range Mac that Apple won't produce.
Dollars to donuts the Hackintosh owners will (and do) have a quicker upgrade path than those of us with real Macs. How many pre-2008 Mac Pro owners are able to slap an 8800GT in their machine? And how many Hackintosh owners have an 8800GT or better in their machines???
lol. i said this in a forum post sometime back that hackintosh support for various video cards is better than apple's. many are still crying for 8800GT support in their earlier mac pro's.
I find it absolutely delicious that Apply Fanboys who always flamed M$ fanboys are getting a taste of their own medicine.
It must suck that you must pay lots of money to one company in the name of quality versus competition. Isn't that the big complain that the open source community complains about with M$ and the Apple users bitch about?
Yeah, everyone is forced to use M$ software yet if you want a Mac you are FORCED to buy only Mac's approved hardware (or you are either on your own or you are violating the EULA).
Funny, funny, funny.
Everyone ought to go back to the abacus because no one is forcing you to choose which model to use.
It must suck that you must pay lots of money to one company in the name of quality versus competition. Isn't that the big complain that the open source community complains about with M$ and the Apple users bitch about?
Yeah, everyone is forced to use M$ software yet if you want a Mac you are FORCED to buy only Mac's approved hardware (or you are either on your own or you are violating the EULA).
Funny, funny, funny.
Everyone ought to go back to the abacus because no one is forcing you to choose which model to use.
The Dell's are identical from the outside as are the Gateway's. It could have been an OS thing as I had them load Win2K on all of the machines. Perhaps they unloaded some old stock which already had Win2K preloaded instead of giving me the updated items. For what we use these machines for, it makes no practical difference to the users. I didn't even notice until a year and a half later when I went to upgrade the memory on all of these machines.
I think this thing is hideous and will not last for a minute with Apple legal after them. My hope is that it just helps Apple see that we want a mid level tower Mac and maybe encourage them to keep things a little more affordable.
I wouldn't buy one of these even if it came out legit because you get what you pay for. It would be just like jumping back into the scrapped together crap PC world of chaos again! It may be a big step up from scrapped together crap with Vista lol, but Apple's hardware is gorgeous and fully custom designed for the glory of OS X. You cannot separate the two!
I wouldn't buy one of these even if it came out legit because you get what you pay for. It would be just like jumping back into the scrapped together crap PC world of chaos again! It may be a big step up from scrapped together crap with Vista lol, but Apple's hardware is gorgeous and fully custom designed for the glory of OS X. You cannot separate the two!
Not to mention that Psystar already says they aren't supporting OS X on their machine, so that leaves Apple in the position of having to tell all those customers that they are SOL when they call Apple with their SW and HW interoperability issues relating to Final Cut, iLife, iWork, etc.
Makes Apple look like the bad guy, when the customers have major support issues to a commercially purchased machine with full Mac OS X compatibility (even though Psystar already weasels out there).
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There was a mall in KY that had a JC Penny and a Sears, a lot of customers kept coming into the JC Penny with broken Craftsman tools -- it was easier for the customer service reps to take the tool over to Sears for replacement than tell the customer that they are wrong and JC Penny doesn't honor the tool warranty. And the customer left happy with their tool.
Apple is going to be in the position of pissing off the customer, sorry due you are SOL ... bye, tough luck ... even though it is our SW but we won't support you.
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So the potential harm to Apple in the future is there.
I'd rather be forced to buy something that works than get to choose between a lot of things that don't.
Laugh it up, fuzzball.
Let me think about it......I bought a 7200rpm for my macbook opend it and replaced it with apples bottle neck. Result ? MORE Speed...speed...and....speed !
So what do you want to tell me with your question ?
Doubtful, all it takes is one company and then the others will follow. It's still a Mac in a sense, it runs OS X.
I think Apple should learn from this and adjust their prices/way of business if this "OpenMac" blows up and people start buying in.
I think that's a pretty accurate quote, if you get what I mean. Especially after you see how fragile this config will be (aside from being unsupported).
It's one thing to get an OS running on a box, but what happens when an update breaks your software?
That $399 is going to sting. Not trying to be pessimistic - just realistic about this endeavor. Apple's team of lawyers is not a force this company will be able to take on.
Curious to see where this ends up.
The warez movement was always about duplicating copywritten software. The OSx86 project is about bringing OS X to a greater audience through legal circumvention.
There is quite a major difference. I'm sorry you're not able to comprehend that.
Oh please. I've been using Macs for ages and Apples before that (since I was born, practically). I have ten times the contribution to this forum as you, not to mention years of contribution on other forums. Before you dash to insult my opinion based solely on the fact that it contradicts with yours, maybe you should consider that maybe I have been a passionate member of this community for a VERY long time (despite what my age implies) and I might *just* have a valid point.
-Clive
I didn't notice until I had to upgrade the RAM as well!
The early Pentium 4 days were hell since RDRAM and DDR were still fighting it out for a place on Intel motherboards.
Both Apple and Dell are going to order up a run of hardware from an OEM and keep ordering the same parts until they release a significantly different model. Neither computer brand is doing any sort of special selection besides what design requirements they're seeking to assemble.
Good point!
Well, when you have a problem with your computer, you go to the company you bought it from (Dell, HP, or perhaps Apple).
It's a very confusing concept to grasp that there MIGHT be alternatives to Apple hardware... wether it will sell or not is going to be interesting.
Now that is flat out putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that. I said that the parts in a Mac are more robust than the parts in say a Dell, or HP. Yes, they're made by the same manufacturers, but they aren't the same exact parts. Realtek makes more than one chip as does ATI, NVIDIA, etc....
I don't think anyone is understanding what I'm trying to say. What you're tell me is that the same parts that are in the $399 Dell, HP, Gateway, etc are the same EXACT parts that are in the $1799 iMac? You guys are all full of crap! So in other words, Apple makes around $1,000 off every Mac sold (yes I compensated for the display)? You guys need to get real and come down from whatever plant it is you're on.
You know, I don't feel emotionally connected to my computer, so feel free to call it a HackinCrap
You will always GET what you PAY for in this lifetime, don't try to make your Hackincrap out to be this great solution for many because it's not.
1. Read this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5310095/
2. Feel silly
Most of people posting in this thread actually running hackintoshes say that it is not worth it, unless you enjoy tinkering. If you care about reliability (and let's face it, most people do), get a real mac.
That there are several factors that affect the speed of a hard drive, not just RPM, and the 7200 RPM hard drives that you can buy currently are severely behind more modern drives in other areas.
This is precisely why I gave this story a "positive" rating. Apple knows more than anyone the importance of innovation, even if that innovation comes from someone else. Products like this show Apple what consumers are looking for, and will <crosses fingers> hopefully inspire them to come out with consumer-level tower.
They let the Apple TV crowd run wild with the hardware / software when it first came out and then took pieces of the puzzle and integrated some of them into the new version. Leopard is a much bigger cat (pun just happened) than Apple TV, so I don't see this product lasting. However...the message has been sent to Apple.