The restriction on Flash is a part of the developer agreement.. you can't include anything that runs its own codebase.
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Opera Set to Preview 'Opera Mini' Browser for iPhone
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The restriction on Flash is a part of the developer agreement.. you can't include anything that runs its own codebase.
I'm not going to lie, the App Store is a love/hate thing for me.
I love having one spot to search, buy, and get new apps. I know they are tested and safe (no mac STDs on em).
I hate the fact that only apple can turn down apps for no good reason besides greed.
I hate the fact that they get mad $$$$$ for their "effort."
It's something I'm "Okay" with for the iPhone...but for the iPad? No..Not so much.
I love having one spot to search, buy, and get new apps. I know they are tested and safe (no mac STDs on em).
I hate the fact that only apple can turn down apps for no good reason besides greed.
I hate the fact that they get mad $$$$$ for their "effort."
It's something I'm "Okay" with for the iPhone...but for the iPad? No..Not so much.
No worries, it won't compete. The sooner Opera makes browsing faster on your spotty 3G network using AT&T's crazy-fast highspeed EDGE, the sooner Luke Wilson can brag about it using another pathetic metaphor...
Luke demonstrates how the Opera browser is faster then a full featured browser on "another network". The guy screams it's too fast and his eye balls catch on fire. Luke responds, "I guess some people aren't ready for that kind of blazing experience". Cue lame music...
Luke demonstrates how the Opera browser is faster then a full featured browser on "another network". The guy screams it's too fast and his eye balls catch on fire. Luke responds, "I guess some people aren't ready for that kind of blazing experience". Cue lame music...
I don't understand what those people who asked MS to put the browser installation screen are doing when Apple keeps rejecting apps for uncompetitive reasons.
What's up with the flash comments? Of course, it won't have flash. Flash ISN'T PART of a web browser.
Also, the opera mini title bar in the app itself? A waste of valuable real estate.
Also, the opera mini title bar in the app itself? A waste of valuable real estate.
I really would like to see the new Firefox Mobile hit iPhone, but Safari is fine in all reality.
There's no way in the world this will be approved. Look for it on jail broken phones in the near future.
I seriously doubt Apple will allow this.
I wonder how they did this. Also, how will this affect battery life & how fast will this be? If my understanding is correct, more compression = more processor power needed to decompress it & use it.
They wouldn't make an official announcement about it nor put the effort (and money) in developing it if they hadn't asked Apple before hand.
It is quite possible that it will be approved.
Again, a lack of understanding puts you at a disadvantage.
I would completely agree that regardless of features, users should have choice.
THE IPHONE SDK DOES PERMIT THE CREATION OF CHOICE.
How many more ways does it have to be said before you understand it? You cannot create a web browser, with the SDK, that is NOT Safari.
Totally forgot about iCab, I used to use it years ago. I'm getting all nostalgic, think I'll give it a quick go. Got it on download now, looks like they have an iPhone version too!
Microsoft's anti-competitive behaviour was going to PC manufacturers and saying "if you put this alternative software onto your PC's then we will charge you more for all the Windows licenses you buy".
That's abusing your monopoly. You're the only reasonable choice out there, everybody uses your software, and you force manufacturers who know they have to buy it into taking it along with all your other conditions.
Apple's choice for what applications it allows on it's own hardware is totally different and in no way a monopoly. There are hundreds of other mobile phones out there, and a reasonable number of OS alternatives. The consumer has plenty choice. Nor is Apple strong-arming manufacturers to accept their terms to keep competitors out, they're simply choosing which apps to allow and which apps not to allow. It's their hardware, their store, their game.
People need to start realising that if you buy an iPhone, this is the way it is. Just because you can install anything you want on your Windows PC, or Mac, or Android phone or whatever else you have, doesn't mean that the iPhone HAS to be the same way. I can't download and install any game I want on my 360, PS3 or Wii, nor do they multi-task, and all of those manufacturers decide exactly what games they allow on their platform. And you know what, that's just fine by me. And I have a PC to play games on if it's not.
And if that's not what you want, exercise your consumer choice and buy an Android, or Nokia, or Samsung, or one of the many other phones out there. That's your freedom, stop tramping on the freedom of everyone else who is quite happy living within the Apple kingdom.
That's abusing your monopoly. You're the only reasonable choice out there, everybody uses your software, and you force manufacturers who know they have to buy it into taking it along with all your other conditions.
Apple's choice for what applications it allows on it's own hardware is totally different and in no way a monopoly. There are hundreds of other mobile phones out there, and a reasonable number of OS alternatives. The consumer has plenty choice. Nor is Apple strong-arming manufacturers to accept their terms to keep competitors out, they're simply choosing which apps to allow and which apps not to allow. It's their hardware, their store, their game.
People need to start realising that if you buy an iPhone, this is the way it is. Just because you can install anything you want on your Windows PC, or Mac, or Android phone or whatever else you have, doesn't mean that the iPhone HAS to be the same way. I can't download and install any game I want on my 360, PS3 or Wii, nor do they multi-task, and all of those manufacturers decide exactly what games they allow on their platform. And you know what, that's just fine by me. And I have a PC to play games on if it's not.
And if that's not what you want, exercise your consumer choice and buy an Android, or Nokia, or Samsung, or one of the many other phones out there. That's your freedom, stop tramping on the freedom of everyone else who is quite happy living within the Apple kingdom.
+1 and i think when apple denies it, somehow we will see it as an option in cydia.... whoops
Nice pre-emptive by Opera
We know the standard Apple response to alternative browsers. By making their public statement and stating that they hope Apple approves it, they do so, knowing full well that it's not likely. However, now Apple will have some negative publicity to deal with.
It's an interesting exercise, only in terms of the global iPhone app approval process. I'm not interested in the Opera browser - but am very interested in how this all rolls out.
We know the standard Apple response to alternative browsers. By making their public statement and stating that they hope Apple approves it, they do so, knowing full well that it's not likely. However, now Apple will have some negative publicity to deal with.
It's an interesting exercise, only in terms of the global iPhone app approval process. I'm not interested in the Opera browser - but am very interested in how this all rolls out.
Actually, I hope that Opera applies and gets denied, then files a complaint with the DoJ. This is NO different than MS and IE. In fact, it's worse as MS didn't actively stop other browsers from running, they simply provided one with the system that was "good enough".
The argument was, and this held up to the point that in Europe they had to create a program to display and help you download/install other competing browsers as part of Windows, that they had a dominate position as an OS vendor and were using that to muscle out other companies in the web browser market.
Apple is doing the same thing for portable internet connected media players. They have a huge percentage of the PMP market and are using that dominance to push other vendors out of the mobile web browser market.
Apple should be required, in accordance with anti-competitive behavior laws, to allow other vendors to sell any sort of app for the iPhone/iPod that doesn't constitute a demonstrable security or stability concern or tarnishes Apple's reputation.
I actually think that mobile Safari kind of sucks. It was good 3 years ago, but has failed to evolve at all. The rendering engine (webkit) is good, but I don't care for the interface much. The WebOS webkit based browser is a bit better, and I'm looking forward to checking out Opera mini (jailbroken iPod). When the iPad comes, I will really want a choice in browsers - with the extra screen space there will be lots of room for UI improvements and added features (for example, a browser with automatically detects Flash video, extracts the actual video file, assuming it's h.264, which new Flash video is, and then embeds it in an HTML5 <video> element... this feature is currently done by a FireFox plugin, so there's no reason it couldn't be implemented directly in a browser).
The argument was, and this held up to the point that in Europe they had to create a program to display and help you download/install other competing browsers as part of Windows, that they had a dominate position as an OS vendor and were using that to muscle out other companies in the web browser market.
Apple is doing the same thing for portable internet connected media players. They have a huge percentage of the PMP market and are using that dominance to push other vendors out of the mobile web browser market.
Apple should be required, in accordance with anti-competitive behavior laws, to allow other vendors to sell any sort of app for the iPhone/iPod that doesn't constitute a demonstrable security or stability concern or tarnishes Apple's reputation.
I actually think that mobile Safari kind of sucks. It was good 3 years ago, but has failed to evolve at all. The rendering engine (webkit) is good, but I don't care for the interface much. The WebOS webkit based browser is a bit better, and I'm looking forward to checking out Opera mini (jailbroken iPod). When the iPad comes, I will really want a choice in browsers - with the extra screen space there will be lots of room for UI improvements and added features (for example, a browser with automatically detects Flash video, extracts the actual video file, assuming it's h.264, which new Flash video is, and then embeds it in an HTML5 <video> element... this feature is currently done by a FireFox plugin, so there's no reason it couldn't be implemented directly in a browser).
Wow. Well said! Wish I could add something more than just the tired old "me too!" comment but...you've kind of said it all.
It works because it is made with the SDK therefore it is simply a variant of Safari with another name ... unless I am missing something here.
From who?
I doubt the average user will notice or even care if they did. Another Google Voice tempest in a teapot.