being a BB owner, I use opera mini when I need to browse full website, and I can tell you that it is much faster then the standard BB browser
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Opera Set to Preview 'Opera Mini' Browser for iPhone
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Seconded! Or is that 'I second that' ... not sure if seconded is a word in this context lol.
I think more likely so that there's an almighty press stink to fuel (what would be an entirely justifiable and one they'd almost certainly succeed with) EU competition complaint.
And before people say that the iPhone doesn't have enough market share, the app store is available on the Touch, and the iPod does have enough market share (and indeed has had EU enquiries into it before, so the bar to a second investigation in an similar area is lowered under EU law).
I would love to see some of the things Opera might bring to iPhone browsing - a different renderer might do some pages webkit doesn't like better so choice is good, and I'd love a better way of handling password management (ideally I want an Opera desktop style password autocomplete with a selection box if you have multiple logons for a site, but protected by an Android style gesture whenever you used it).
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if all people were like you in the human history we would be still living under kings priest etc control without getting paid. You keep accepting everything...
You are correct, for the EU case against Microsoft brought about by Novell. However, the US case, some 5 years later, started in 1998 was more about the position of embedding IE into the core OS and effectively not allowing any competition to install browsers onto their computers. Whilst they didn't bar it, the technology of the day meant downloads were VERY slow so effectively precluded the practice.
Whilst I agree (and I happen to enjoy the iPhone as it is and choose not to jailbreak it) that Apple have a right to determine what apps they sell via the App Store, the scenario is not the same as a XBox or PS3. This comparison is more akin to a MacBook. You buy hardware that has an operating system with limitations/restrictions/nuances specific to that hardware. However, anyone can develop a game for the XBox and sell it. Microsoft or Sony do not say, "Sorry, there is a game already that does that.... NO!"
I bought my iPhone unlocked, and therefore I own the hardware. I accept the 'limitations' of the OS. Now, I want the choice of applications to use on it.
btw, don't assume from this that I will want to install Opera, as I won't... very happy with the Apps Store Approved selection as it happens. More than enough for me. Just seeing the irony of the situation this brings.
While I would love to see how the Opera Mini performs on iPhone I'm tired of reading how Apple's stance somehow is equivalent to what Microsoft did in the 1990s. Not only is Apple not the dominant player in the smartphone industry, they make the hardware AND the software so I think they can dictate what features are present on their machines.
The way I understand it, Microsoft got into trouble because of the way it forced manufacturers to implement the OS on their machines. (if my explanation is crude or just flat-out wrong, I apologize in advance).
Compression is made at server level
The compression is made on Opera's server which then pushes the compressed webpages onto the client handset. You can even tune the image compression level. It goes amazingly fast on a simple GPRS java-enabled standard mobile phone (I have tried it on various SonyEricsson phones, like k550im, k750i, W800i and k810i and the 3 S2 Skypephone). I think the carriers may push Apple to allow iphone users to use this app because it would save them precious bandwidth. I really love this browser which offered me a fast, desktop-class browsing experience on standard-class GSMs far before the iPhone was released !
The compression is made on Opera's server which then pushes the compressed webpages onto the client handset. You can even tune the image compression level. It goes amazingly fast on a simple GPRS java-enabled standard mobile phone (I have tried it on various SonyEricsson phones, like k550im, k750i, W800i and k810i and the 3 S2 Skypephone). I think the carriers may push Apple to allow iphone users to use this app because it would save them precious bandwidth. I really love this browser which offered me a fast, desktop-class browsing experience on standard-class GSMs far before the iPhone was released !
I don't see that. If you buy a Ford you don't complain it can't have a BMW engine do you? There are many things in life where the choice is get something else not that what you have should have choices of other manufacturers parts within it. His comments were pretty accurate and common sense it seemed to me. It isn't at all 'accepting everything' to have this opinion. To bitch all day that what you bought has limitations is silly, you should have done the research better and known the Ford came with a Ford engine to reuse that analogy.
This is not exactly true. MS got into the OS monopoly situation by doing what you described, but they then abused that position in a different market - web browsers.
Bringing up game consoles are a poor example. The very fact that you mention three competing products, all with significant market share, indicates that none of them are in a position to abuse a market dominance.
Lastly, you are equating mobile phones with mobile internet which is NOT what is happening here. Apple has a market dominance in portable media players and are using that position to strong arm in on mobile phones and mobile internet devices.
I predict that Apple WILL have trouble with the DoJ at some point regarding the iPhone OS and App Store. I don't think people want to remove the Apple gatekeeper, but putting some restriction on what they can reject an app for is appropriate (saying that you can't compete with an Apple provided application is anti-competitive behavior is my opinion).
It is for the customer, but not for Apple. And Apple holds the keys.
I agree that if it doesn't allow Flash, what good is it. If it did encorporate Flash, then Cydia would be a nice place to get it.
9th Feb 2010. Apple share of smartphones, worldwide was 25% (2nd place behind RIM at 49%). As we all know, RIM BB's are pointless, useless and only for suited nutters to fiddle with emails when on the train or down the pub.
iPhones are for intellegent, sexy and sophisticated individuals who appreciate choice and quality.
Therefore, I rest my case!
Seriously though, 25% of market share worldwide. That seems pretty significant to me.
Not the same at all. If you buy a Ford you can still use non-Ford parts, if you chose. Ford is actually legally obligated to honor the warranty on the Ford parts unless they can prove the non-Ford part caused the problem.
You can't equate iPhone OS/App Store with the mobile phone industry. It's an internet connect media player OS - it includes iPhones, iPods, and now tablet computers. They have a very dominant position in the portable media player market.
I totally agree. I should be able to decide what browser I want to use on any equipment that I choose.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1-update1; en-gb; Nexus One Build/ERE27) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17)
Why the hate? Choice is a good thing!.
Think different, people!
The individual must first identify a problem with the current circumstances before demanding change.
Clearly, not everyone thinks there is a problem. In fact, the majority of consumers are perfectly happy - and in fact prefer - their current relationship with Apple.
You're still living under priests and kings. They meet now and then at the Republican National Convention and the Democratic National Convention, with supporting intelligentsia in tow like Zbigniew Brzezinski, Alan Dershowitz, and Daniel Pipes.
Well in order to compress there needs to be a server process doing it before transmitting it to your phone. Servers cost money to run so it has to be funded by adverts or selling your surfing habits to interested business partners.
Yea, a pretty effective one. Adblocker save just money. Only thing is bookmarks cannot be synced, but you can import/export.
Does it lock up all the time like iPhone Safari? Because half the time I load a web page I have to wait a minute or so to be able to scroll, pinch zoom etc.
Now, Chrome on iPhone, that would be something. Chrome is amazingly fast, and frankly, the Chrome browser and the potential of Chrome OS has me very excited for the future. I'm much more interested to see a Chrome OS tablet than the iPad closed ecosystem.
Now, Chrome on iPhone, that would be something. Chrome is amazingly fast, and frankly, the Chrome browser and the potential of Chrome OS has me very excited for the future. I'm much more interested to see a Chrome OS tablet than the iPad closed ecosystem.