Opera Software Offers Thoughts on Future of Flash

[KnightWRX]

Look, I won't argue with you anymore. You have Steve's hand firmly planted ... let's just say I won't complete this sentence.

But this point :

no, you didn't.
Flash wasn't supported by iPhone when you bought it, so you don't know how it runs. Jobs said us it could ruin your user experience, but you don't trust him. You saw a video proving that it sucks on an Android device with twice the power of an iPhone but you still don't trust jobs' words.

I don't care how it runs. I will decide for myself if it runs good enough or not when I see it run on my device. Why should I trust Steve's impression on something that isn't even shipped, yet that his own app reviewers accepted when it was in Beta ?

The Flash-to-iPhone compiler was used in BETA form from the CS5 Betas to build apps that made it onto the appstore. If it was good enough for the reviewers, why wouldn't it be good enough for me to at least try ? Maybe someone is afraid of how good it actually was. This is probably more the problem, Steve saw it as too good and a threat.

I saw tons of videos of Flash on Android that showed it was fine. There was this 1 video I think that got posted to some obscure Mac site known as MR that showed it was bad. Rest of the videos I've seen shows it running real good.

And videos or not, I will decide for my own when it is on my device. If I don't like it, I can decide not to use it. If I do like it, there is no harm in leaving it there and using it.

I don't need other people to tell me what it is I should and shouldn't like. Especially not IT degree with a University in Information Scienze wielding italians or billionaire CEOs with an ego trip problem.

 

[Max(IT)]

The one with an ego trip seem to be you, dude

i can see you on an Android based forum complaining with Google because they don't let you to install Windows Mobile on your new Nexus One. You need choice ...

BTW if you think this "obscure site" is so biased (I have yet to see a video where Flash is ok), it is quite easy to find another one, better if it is Android based.

 

[Hal Itosis]

I don't need other people to tell me what it is I should and shouldn't like. Especially not IT degree with a University in Information Scienze wielding italians or billionaire CEOs with an ego trip problem.

Hard cheese.

You *are* being told: no Flash on iPhone or iPad. Period.
There is nothing you can say or do which will change that.

 

[KnightWRX]

Hard cheese.

You *are* being told: no Flash on iPhone or iPad. Period.
There is nothing you can say or do which will change that.

We can denounce the situation as much we want to.
There is nothing you can say or do which will change that.

 

[Hal Itosis]

We can denounce the situation as much we want to.
There is nothing you can say or do which will change that.

Please, continue to enjoy wasting time.

[ wins. ]

 

[Max(IT)]

Please, continue to enjoy wasting time.

[ wins. ]

He is fighting his Personal Holy War against Apple, on this
and still didn't answer to my question: do you "incidentally" own an Android based phone ?

 

[Groovetube]

Look, I won't argue with you anymore. You have Steve's hand firmly planted ... let's just say I won't complete this sentence.

But this point :



I don't care how it runs. I will decide for myself if it runs good enough or not when I see it run on my device. Why should I trust Steve's impression on something that isn't even shipped, yet that his own app reviewers accepted when it was in Beta ?

The Flash-to-iPhone compiler was used in BETA form from the CS5 Betas to build apps that made it onto the appstore. If it was good enough for the reviewers, why wouldn't it be good enough for me to at least try ? Maybe someone is afraid of how good it actually was. This is probably more the problem, Steve saw it as too good and a threat.

I saw tons of videos of Flash on Android that showed it was fine. There was this 1 video I think that got posted to some obscure Mac site known as MR that showed it was bad. Rest of the videos I've seen shows it running real good.

And videos or not, I will decide for my own when it is on my device. If I don't like it, I can decide not to use it. If I do like it, there is no harm in leaving it there and using it.

I don't need other people to tell me what it is I should and shouldn't like. Especially not IT degree with a University in Information Scienze wielding italians or billionaire CEOs with an ego trip problem.

if these geniuses want to live their lives believing blog sites sensationalizing videos of stuttering videos, let them. I've seen it run first hand unlike these bozos, and I guess we'll see how things go once it's released. If it runs really well, awesome, I'll make sure I have a phone that runs it. Let the sheep follow their leader. And go get "degrees in IT"... LOL

 

[Max(IT)]

if these geniuses want to live their lives believing blog sites sensationalizing videos of stuttering videos, let them. I've seen it run first hand unlike these bozos, and I guess we'll see how things go once it's released. If it runs really well, awesome, I'll make sure I have a phone that runs it. Let the sheep follow their leader. And go get "degrees in IT"... LOL

looking forward to see you getting an Android based phones .... and go trolling in an Android based forum ...

 

[Groovetube]

looking forward to see you getting an Android based phones .... and go trolling in an Android based forum ...

I already have an android based phone genius, because I actually know something about this subject and develop solutions for clients on android, iphone, symbian etc.

And I don't even have a (non-existent) degree in IT to boot!

LOL

Maybe you need to go get a degree in mobile phones.

 

[iPrep]

Flash sucks everywhere, as Microsoft said a few days ago

Oh, I see. So why is Opera being blamed for "Flash sucking in Opera" if Flash sucks everywhere?

Check. Mate.

 

[chagla]

all of a sudden there's new found hatred for Flash as soon as god Steve Jobs said flash sucks. Flash isn't going away anytime soon.

RIM (blackberry) is launching a tablet this year WITH flash support!
Even a 3+ years Nokia N810 tablet can play Flash just fine.

 

[cybaster]

For those who don't believe Flash is slowing going away.

http://cappuccino.org/learn/demos/FlickrPhoto/index-deploy.html
http://cappuccino.org/learn/demos/LightsOff/index-deploy.html
http://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/

Flash was the de-facto standard a few years back while interactive content was a hit. But with better technologies and stronger free frameworks, flash is turning into a clunky relic.

As you can see above, interactive web/webapps are definitely the next wave in web development. not to say that general informational webpages are going away, but this type of articulation in graphics and animation was once only available when you developed in flash.

So it doesn't make sense for flash to be a video container, and it is losing ground in interactive web. Now tell me that flash still has a place in the 21st century.

 

[Max(IT)]

Oh, I see. So why is Opera being blamed for "Flash sucking in Opera" if Flash sucks everywhere?

Check. Mate.

and your point is ?
Flash suck ALSO in Opera.
Flash sucks everywhere, and you have to blame Adobe for that.

 

[iPrep]

and your point is ?
Flash suck ALSO in Opera.
Flash sucks everywhere, and you have to blame Adobe for that.

My point is that Opera is being blamed.

 

[Max(IT)]

My point is that Opera is being blamed.

It's adobe fault, on every platform

 

[PerfSeeker]

Silverlight is the future!

 

[Max(IT)]

Silverlight is the future!

Yes, in Microsoft's dreams

 

[PerfSeeker]

Yes, in Microsoft's dreams

As a developer I *know* that Silverlight is an excellent technology. What do you know about it?

 

[Max(IT)]

As a developer I *know* that Silverlight is an excellent technology. What do you know about it?

As a forum member I *know* you are just another apple basher who joined the forum in the magic jun/jul2010 spot

And as a developer I *know* that silverlight, being much better than Flash crapware, is a close platform controlled by Microsoft. Something I don't want on my Macs.

Simple like that.

 

[PerfSeeker]

As a forum member I *know* you are just another apple basher who joined the forum in the magic jun/jul2010 spot

And as a developer I *know* that silverlight, being much better than Flash crapware, is a close platform controlled by Microsoft. Something I don't want on my Macs.

Simple like that.

Check my signature before calling me an Apple basher.

 

[Groovetube]

Check my signature before calling me an Apple basher.

that's all these fools have. "apple basher!"

He's no developer, he hasn't a clue what he's talking about trust me.

He has a *degree* in 'IT'...

 

[Max(IT)]

Check my signature before calling me an Apple basher.

It is easier to check your post since you joined the forum less than a month ago ...

Add a couple of Apple's products to your signature doesn't change what you wrote here.
I could easily do the same on every windows based forum, if I wish to ...

 

[PerfSeeker]

It is easier to check your post since you joined the forum less than a month ago ...

Add a couple of Apple's products to your signature doesn't change what you wrote here.
I could easily do the same on every windows based forum, if I wish to ...

So basically I have to worship at the altar of Steve Jobs, or I'm a hater. Oh and my iPad is coming on August 12th.

 

[Max(IT)]

So basically I have to worship at the altar of Steve Jobs, or I'm a hater. Oh and my iPad is coming on August 12th.

Yeah, and after that a couple of Mac Pros also ...

No one is worship at the altar of Jobs. I don't like many of his choices.
But I don't sign up a forum to post 500+ negative comments about a brand, in less than a month. And pretending to be an "apple user" to give more credibility to my posts ...

 

[PerfSeeker]

Yeah, and after that a couple of Mac Pros also ...

No one is worship at the altar of Jobs. I don't like many of his choices.
But I don't sign up a forum to post 500+ negative comments about a brand, in less than a month. And pretending to be an "apple user" to give more credibility to my posts ...

I've been admiring Macs since the 1980s FYI.