i would add explanation but every time i try to voice an opinion i get labelled as a Troll... im just trying to help individuals now
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Opinion... rMBP THAT much better than cMBP?
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i would add explanation but every time i try to voice an opinion i get labelled as a Troll... im just trying to help individuals now
I see what your trying to say, but calling it an "awful and inaccurate environment" isn't right.
I think any professional who needs a particular app for work, would check if that particular app was compatible with a $2-3k computer before buying it. For example, if you use "Program X" and it's not compatible with the retina display, and you buy one anyway, run the program, and then bitch it doesn't work, who's fault is that?
I think that if you enter into a level headed non-troll-like discussion here, you won't be labeled as a Troll. If, on the other hand, you resort to irrational Troll-like, unsupported sniping, you venture deep into the land of Trolls.
I don't know what you mean by "barely" in this context. If you're referring to the notorious "lag" issue, that's just not something most of us with MBPrs experience, so I hardly it's hardly likely that it's a hardware issue.
4000 integrated is at it's breaking point both core and memory wise running at rMBP res. The 4000 in my cMBP stutters some already. Flipping to dedicated always alleviates graphical anomalies. So that IS a HW issue. It works OK. I'm not saying it is trash or anything just that it has very little headroom left. Using the 650m nets you a way better experience but of course way more heat and battery loss.
I'll readily admit I'm not a gamer, but for everything I do the 4000 performs as it needs to. And there IS the 650m when necessary.
FWIW....I went with a 13" MBA with the 256GB SSD back in June. I sold it yesterday because that hard drive fills up quickly. Adding data gets you so far, but doing so left hardly any room for VMs or a boot camp partition. And it certainly didn't leave any room to grow into.
I went and bought the base rMBP at the local Apple store today and its too amazing. I decided to get it and deal with USB3.0 external storage since I have two 750GB 7200RPM 2.5" USB3.0 Drives.
I will place an order online to get the 16GB RAM and return this one since they didnt have the 16GB models in store. Thanks everyone for your insight and advice.
I actually LOVE the fact the USB ports on this thing are on opposite sides, I found when they are next to each other they are too close. This thing also blows the doors off my iMac in my sig.
I will place an order online to get the 16GB RAM and return this one since they didnt have the 16GB models in store. Thanks everyone for your insight and advice.
I actually LOVE the fact the USB ports on this thing are on opposite sides, I found when they are next to each other they are too close. This thing also blows the doors off my iMac in my sig.
um, duh. thats exactly what i'm saying. i'm not the one going on about "oh if you're *serious* about editing photos and typography, you should get the RMBP" when clearly that isn't the case.
That was the deal breaker for me on the rMBP. In order to have a decent amount of SSD space (at least 512GB) it would be way out of my budget
Honestly OP, you're looking at two very capable computers in the first place and you shouldn't feel discouraged at all from picking the cMBP if it meets your needs. That being said, I picked the rMBP over the cMBP for the following reasons:
1) Novelty - I've been exhausting a Late-2006 Black MacBook till its last legs, so understandably I wanted a pretty substantial change for my next one. The rMBP sets the precedents for the new generation of the MacBook line-up, and since I plan on using the new one for the next four years, I wanted the latest and best. In short, it's new and bloody cool, and I couldn't care less how irrational such reasoning was.
2) Weight - A very palpable difference between the cMBP and the rMBP is the weight. Since I plan on lugging the thing around throughout uni, it's a particularly significant factor for me. I was pleasantly surprised by how light (lighter than the 13" MBP) a professional 15" laptop managed to be. Portability without compromise, I reckon.
That last statement above probably has some guys ready to lash already. For me though, the few compromises that were made for the rMBP are irrelevant in my case. If I ever need to install something requiring an optical drive, Remote Disc via a buddy's Mac (finding one is no problem in uni) is the answer. The nonexistent upgradeability is also not an issue for me since I'll be more than well-off with the standard specs. As well, the admittedly paltry standard 256GB capacity can easily be supplemented by an external HDD.
The trade-offs for such compromises with the rMBP, however, are far more appealing and practical conveniences for me and my personal needs. The Retina won it for me.
Best of luck with your purchase. I'm sure whichever one you'll pick will serve you well.
1) Novelty - I've been exhausting a Late-2006 Black MacBook till its last legs, so understandably I wanted a pretty substantial change for my next one. The rMBP sets the precedents for the new generation of the MacBook line-up, and since I plan on using the new one for the next four years, I wanted the latest and best. In short, it's new and bloody cool, and I couldn't care less how irrational such reasoning was.
2) Weight - A very palpable difference between the cMBP and the rMBP is the weight. Since I plan on lugging the thing around throughout uni, it's a particularly significant factor for me. I was pleasantly surprised by how light (lighter than the 13" MBP) a professional 15" laptop managed to be. Portability without compromise, I reckon.
That last statement above probably has some guys ready to lash already. For me though, the few compromises that were made for the rMBP are irrelevant in my case. If I ever need to install something requiring an optical drive, Remote Disc via a buddy's Mac (finding one is no problem in uni) is the answer. The nonexistent upgradeability is also not an issue for me since I'll be more than well-off with the standard specs. As well, the admittedly paltry standard 256GB capacity can easily be supplemented by an external HDD.
The trade-offs for such compromises with the rMBP, however, are far more appealing and practical conveniences for me and my personal needs. The Retina won it for me.
Best of luck with your purchase. I'm sure whichever one you'll pick will serve you well.
I am waiting for macbook pro 13 inch quad core ratina display with discreet graphic card with 1 gb.
...clearly that is your opinion... I'm really not sure if you actually use a rMBP daily or not for work, but if not your opinion is based on reading about the rMBP much more than using it.
My opinion is based on sitting in front of one every day for the last ~2 weeks to work. I'm a scientist who programs, writes journal articles, reads scientific PDFs extensively, constructs graphics & illustrations in CS6 for publication for my data, and is passionate about photography. My very capable 15" 2010MBP is sat right next to me, files synced via dropbox ready to use, and I don't revert to it to do "real" work. That is my experience, the rMBP is a significant upgrade, today.
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As the OP is a photographer, I also really want to emphasise how amazing editing photos at ~220PPI in Lightroom is, being able to, for example, vary sharpening when one can see almost all of a RAW image at 1:1 with rich detail close to print resolution is a bomb for a photographer!
SwitchResX is your rMBP friend...
SwitchResX makes toggling resolution with a hotkey as easy as pie, and can even auto switch for you depending on the active application! 2880x1800, for someone who knows Lightroom's shortcuts is just great, as always in my opinion.
If you think using a hotkey to switch resolution (which is ~1secs) is some terrible burden, and can't really tell the difference between a 120PPI twisted-nematic vs. 220PPI IPS display, then it is not for you...
SwitchResX makes toggling resolution with a hotkey as easy as pie, and can even auto switch for you depending on the active application! 2880x1800, for someone who knows Lightroom's shortcuts is just great, as always in my opinion.
If you think using a hotkey to switch resolution (which is ~1secs) is some terrible burden, and can't really tell the difference between a 120PPI twisted-nematic vs. 220PPI IPS display, then it is not for you...
Hmm... I think you'll find it's all solder in and can't be swapped out but I'll stand corrected if someone knows otherwise.
I am waiting for macbook pro 13 inch quad core ratina display with discreet graphic card with 1 gb.
You are going to be waiting for a good long while most likely. You may get your 13" with a retina display fairly soon, but I wouldn't hold my breath on the quad core in the short term and the wait will probably be even longer on the discrete graphics.
After posting a video on YouTube showing absolutely no lag whatsoever while playing three 1080p videos - one full screen - I was told the following one person said you can't possibly see lag in a handheld video and that he was going to show me "how to do it right", then the next day he said "I'm too lazy to make a video, trust me there is lag". Uh-huh, right. A second person told me he can see lag very easily by opening 24 windows in Chrome and doing something specific with those windows. Who does this? Any computer can be brought to a crawl by opening enough applications, gobble enough memory, etc. But that's not how people use computers!
I think it's funny the lengths to which regular MacBook Pro owners will go to try to knock down the Retina model.
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I don't believe the internal SSD storage is designed to be your be-all, end-all storage solution. The purpose of the SSD is to contain your OS and all of your applications, so use of the OS and applications will be blazing fast. However, storage of work files - in my case videos, 30+ MP raw files, etc. - would all be stored on an external Thunderbolt/RAID drive. If the SSD is ever used to store work files, it's as temporary storage until I can offload the files to my external drive.