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Oracle Warns macOS 14.4 Can Cause Java to Terminate Unexpectedly
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It's running fine enough for me. Everything has some degree of bugs. Show me a OS that doesn't. The QA cost goes up way up when you attempt to chase down every instance that is not immediately reproducible you know.
I made a commit years ago for FreeBSD signal handling in OpenJDK around this area of code to stabilise some issues which also helped a few other providers so I know just how sensitive this is.
I don't really have any interest in Java right now and am focussed upon Golang primarily but I can imagine this will disrupt some folks.
I don't really have any interest in Java right now and am focussed upon Golang primarily but I can imagine this will disrupt some folks.
Interestingly enough, Apple is one of the official development contributors to OpenJDK.
I see the following in that same blog as the topic link points to.
Should be easy to fix then. MacOS 14.4 had five betas -> RC -> Public release.
I think it’s just because it’s the coolest animal that made it the masterpiece history remembered. I mean, it was a good release - very stable. But as the previous release was leopard and the following release was lion, it’s sort of good by default.
What on earth is a teenager wannabe? A 12 year old?
Tim?
Business environments. I’m talking about things like a banking system, things like backend systems for something like Netflix, that kind of stuff. Probably also still quite a few services at Apple actually.
14.4 is a mess, Stable Diffusion is buggy especially ComfyUI. Photoshop is laggy / sluggish.
True, but Java has been out for decades and testing against Java apps should be part of an automated test pass by now.
I’m a former Director of QA for a software company by the way.
Yes, but according to the bug report, it seems the problem is in the way 14.4 responds (differently than it did before) to certain memory functions, so it's not just Oracle Java that is affected (they said they informed the OpenJDK people about the issue as well.)I thought those used JetBrains' own fork by default?
GitHub - JetBrains/JetBrainsRuntime: Runtime environment based on OpenJDK for running IntelliJ Platform-based products on Windows, macOS, and Linux
Runtime environment based on OpenJDK for running IntelliJ Platform-based products on Windows, macOS, and Linux - JetBrains/JetBrainsRuntimegithub.com
I updated to 14.4 a few days ago, and just yesterday had my JetBrains IDE just completely crash. (Just, poof, gone.) Thought it was weird, as I've never had that happen in my entire history with their products. Now that I see this, I'm guessing this is what happened, where the OS sent back a SIGKILL that terminated the process.
Today it is mostly people under 30 that never grew up and are still wound up in high school clicks. Not all people under 30 mind you, but certainly more than needed.
Thanks, with it being a decade plus you’re probably right. I do remember there were a few articles on this with corrections on previous takes so it’s hard to uncloud the right memories my brain logged. 🤓
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Oh boy, 14.4 is on a roll...
Why was this not discovered during the developer and public betas of 14.4?
I fondly remember the original iTunes Music Store.... built using WebObjects, which itself was powered by Java.
Much preferred the "feel" of the store back then. When they moved to virgin HTML, the store lost its appeal as a unique experience. Now it's just another web-based online store. Remember what Steve Jobs said about those...?
One of Jobs best keynotes... gawd, I miss that guy and his energy.
Java may be a dying breed in some areas, but it did have its strengths.
Why was this not discovered during the developer and public betas of 14.4?
I fondly remember the original iTunes Music Store.... built using WebObjects, which itself was powered by Java.
Much preferred the "feel" of the store back then. When they moved to virgin HTML, the store lost its appeal as a unique experience. Now it's just another web-based online store. Remember what Steve Jobs said about those...?
One of Jobs best keynotes... gawd, I miss that guy and his energy.
Java may be a dying breed in some areas, but it did have its strengths.
14.4 And the disk mounting issues, https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-2019-nvme-raid-drives-failing-to-mount.2366297/page-13
And the printing bugs: https://appleinsider.com/articles/2...44-update-is-breaking-printers-for-some-users
And the USB bugs: https://www.macworld.com/article/2264986/macos-sonoma-14-4-usb-devices-not-working-fix.html
And the PACE bugs
And the printing bugs: https://appleinsider.com/articles/2...44-update-is-breaking-printers-for-some-users
And the USB bugs: https://www.macworld.com/article/2264986/macos-sonoma-14-4-usb-devices-not-working-fix.html
And the PACE bugs
Exactly. And Snow Leopard was the cause of me starting my massive backup strategy since it deleted all my files due to that bug.
It was a while ago (I quit the biz a few years back) but here’s a ZDNET article from 2013 and an intego one from 2016 about how it was installing malware from Oracle. It was called the Ask Toolbar, but it was a browser hijacking bit of malware that reset the default search engine, changed the home page, and directed ads to every web page visited. It was also difficult to get rid of, had rogue processes that took over the CPU and caused all sorts of headaches.
I did this job for around 20 years as I said, as part of a Premium Service Provider (we had to outperform 98% of other AASPs) and stopped counting the Macs I’d serviced after 10,000 of them - which was about 8 years into the job. I quit in 2016 so hopefully newer installations of Java aren’t quit so malwarey
I admit that many of the malware installations were from dodgy things, but by far most near the end of my career were needless Java installs - and yes, people don’t read what they install
https://www.zdnet.com/article/a-clo...nstalls-deceptive-software-with-java-updates/ (windows specific article)
A Look Inside the Ask Toolbar Installed with Java for Mac - The Mac Security Blog
It's back! And it's likely here to stay. A few weeks ago, Intego pointed out that Mac users were no longer being offered to install the Ask toolbar during
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Apple use Java for their back end services like Apple Music. So I’m sure their own devs are kicking off about it.
Wow. That's an incredibly small-brained statement. You use Java every day. It's in everything from ATMs to medical devices to irrigation and satellite systems.Of course, those apps mostly aren't running MacOS in production, but I do feel for the developers who are running Sonoma 14.4 and can't go back. A pretty bad slip-up by Apple.
Oh, and here’s an article from this very site about Ask Toolbar
Oracle Now Bundling Ask.com Adware With Java for Mac
For years, Oracle has been bundling an Ask.com search toolbar with Java for Windows, relying on what some call deceptive methods to get users to...
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Yeap and if you are young and good at Java, you can sit in the nice office in the corner for a few decades and watch the programming trends sail on by. You can even in time negotiate to work from home far more then anyone else and if you don't make any noise about it, over time negoiate your salary to be higher then the young wiz kid who everyone presumes in the office is getting the most money. You could have a worse life. You just need to learn to smile when everyone reminds you, that you are a dinosaur. You just happen to be the least stressed and most economically secure programmer in the team - just don't tell anyone.So you’re saying younger Java devs stand to rake in a fortune after the old guard retires?
Personally though I actually do work a lot more in python, though I occasionally have to touch java code for some of our backend apps
People still use Oracle Java?
My company forbid us to use it and IT flagged and removed Oracle Java JDK from every dev machine for being unlicensed when Oracle started wanting us to license Java and blocked installs. They will not budget on this stance and required us to convert all our Java apps to something else.
My company forbid us to use it and IT flagged and removed Oracle Java JDK from every dev machine for being unlicensed when Oracle started wanting us to license Java and blocked installs. They will not budget on this stance and required us to convert all our Java apps to something else.
Ah memories… (2015)
www.theregister.com
Bite my shiny metal Ask: Java for OS X crapware storm brewing
Thanks, Oracle, for another reason to ditch your software
