Oregon's New Right to Repair Law Bans 'Parts Pairing' Restrictions

[Sophisticatednut]

An Apple top case includes the aluminum body, keyboard, trackpad, battery, speakers, and maybe ports (I'm not certain, and it may depend on the particular model); it does not include the logic board/motherboard, which can be replaced independently.

So as I said, all Apple is really getting back out of a top case replacement are smaller chips/controllers, cables, possibly antennas, and other random bits that they may or may not be able to reuse. The calculus is potentially different for logic board replacements, where you're probably better off going third-party if possible. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple doesn't bother with board-level repairs, even at their dedicated facilities, and just sells them into the secondary market (though I have no idea).

Again, as much as you don't wait it to be true, repairs are not generating large profits for Apple.

An apple top case replacement includes batteries… that isn’t a sensible repair solution. And manufacturing costs for the aluminum case + battery depending if it’s 13-16” version is around 40-60$~. While the display can easily cost above 200$ and the same for the M2 chips. The ram cost more than 100$ and the storage is likely close to 200$.

I’m not saying Apple makes an enormous profit on it as that would depend on how they do things and we don’t have that info.

But taking in to account the cost of individual components(not full pieces such as display and motherboard) and the hourly wage for a technician, they are making a killing.

And you don’t become the wealthiest company in the world doing unprofitable business.

But the cost of the repairs they offer is ludicrously overpriced and self enforced limitations on themselves and others.

 

[Samplasion]

the company has said that it will result in safety and security issues for consumers

LMAO now they're just diluting the meaning of "safety and security". Like, how is me changing the battery in my iPhone with a third party one going to affect my "security"?

 

[ipaqrat]

Care to cite any support for this claim? Because anecdotally, and from everything I've read (which is quite a lot)...

Suffice it to summarize that I operate adjacent to enterprise rollout and support programs. Metrics collected over many fiscal quarters - from a decidedly atypical concentration of physicists, chemists, geologists, mathematicians and engineers - reveal that initial experience satisfaction is trending down for Apple gear. As I understand it, issues are concentrated around screen jitters and discoloration, WiFi dropouts, sporadic throttling. In one particular team, M Silicon itself, which turns out, after an expensive struggle, not to support several old stalwarts for industrial data acquisition. But hey, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. And anecdotes and reading a lot.

... Apple's hardware quality is second to none and better now than it's ever been, particularly with the Mac.

As I understand my organization's metrics (those within my range of visibility, because compartmentalization), about which I ordinarily do not give a rat's ***, Apple's hardware quality is +1 standard deviations better than commoditized Intel/AMD chassis across similar deployment volumes. A standard deviation is pretty good, in our sample size. HOWEVER, Apple used to be +1.2 standard deviations, in the post-butterfly Intel and early M-silicon periods. But hey, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. And anecdotes and reading a lot.

AppleCare Enterprise is a conventional support services program, but is more expensive than similar service plans from Dell or HP. We have occasionally had to confront full retail price for certain repairs; prices were plainly punitive - blatantly intended to prompt purchase of new replacement assets. According to industry research, Apple certainly maintains a meaningful profit margin on time and materials. To which they are totally entitled, of course; as I mentioned, Apple is a choice tool. In every sense of the word.

 

[jarman92]

But hey, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. And anecdotes and reading a lot.

So you’re criticizing my open citation to anecdotal evidence by citing…your own anecdotal evidence. Oh and secret “metrics” from your unnamed “organization.” Got it.

 

[0339327]

So if a pers who lives already in Vietnam or China etc to only be allowed to use the AppStore where all the privacy apps are removed? Well they better get android that is even less secure

Again - I was simply stating that someone who lives in the "West" may want to avoid traveling to countries with a human rights record of less than stellar.

 

[ethanwa79]

I think it’s funny that some of you people think the intelligence agencies of the world don’t already have a workaround for this.

If you’re worried about it, just buy new.

 

[CraigJDuffy]

Whether it's necessary or not is irrelevant. The point is that Apple isn't making a huge profit off replacing 3/4 of the computer because they're giving you 3/4 of a computer.

And I don't think so, at least not for the 14—the site says it's an aftermarket OLED.

Still doesn’t feel right.

Analysis of the Bill of Materials of an iPhone 14 puts the cost of production at $464 a unit.

Apple charge $279 for the repair.

Self Service Repair charges $237.55 after rebate.

Unless there is profit, the display is 50% of the cost of the whole BOM?

 

[jarman92]

Still doesn’t feel right.

Analysis of the Bill of Materials of an iPhone 14 puts the cost of production at $464 a unit.

Apple charge $279 for the repair.

Self Service Repair charges $237.55 after rebate.

Unless there is profit, the display is 50% of the cost of the whole BOM?

Well bill of material estimates are mostly nonsense. But these displays are very expensive—iFixit sells the iPhone 14 display for $265.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Again - I was simply stating that someone who lives in the "West" may want to avoid traveling to countries with a human rights record of less than stellar.

Sure, but apple isn’t selling only in the west. It’s an international company selling it in all kinds of places, therefore making it a questionable choice by them in regards to their public statements with security

 

[CraigJDuffy]

Well bill of material estimates are mostly nonsense. But these displays are very expensive—iFixit sells the iPhone 14 display for $265.

Nonsense in what way? They’re based on the sale price minus the usual markup that Apple charges of 30% ish for profit.

If that’s the cost of the display then fair enough but it seems hard to believe they can squeeze all the rest of the tech into the other $200.

Other places sell compatible OLEDs for as low as $150 for similar perceptible quality displays (to me at least).

 

[AppliedMicro]

But these displays are very expensive—iFixit sells the iPhone 14 display for $265.

Meanwhile this week:

„Apple has reportedly been holding out for $25 per panel, but Samsung's final offer was $30 …

the panels for the SE will use legacy parts identical to those used in the iPhone 13 and iPhone 14“

6.1-Inch iPhone SE 4 OLED Panel Likely to Be Supplied by China's BOE

Apple supplier BOE has taken the lead in becoming the OLED panel supplier for the fourth-generation iPhone SE, IT Home reports. Samsung Display,...

www.macrumors.com

 

[0339327]

Sure, but apple isn’t selling only in the west. It’s an international company selling it in all kinds of places, therefore making it a questionable choice by them in regards to their public statements with security

Apple being beholden to the CCP is a big problem.

 

[ipaqrat]

So you’re criticizing my open citation to anecdotal evidence by citing…your own anecdotal evidence. Oh and secret “metrics” from your unnamed “organization.” Got it.

Heh, yeah, I get that a lot . Nonetheless, I respect the boundaries of my NDAs. How it's gotta be.

Strictly for myself, though, I don't mind stating that I remain an Apple fan, going on 40 years, now. I still consider Apple's gear and ecosystem superior (with the possible exception of Panasonic Toughbooks for the rough-n-tumble). Matter of fact, I plan to buy a new MBM pretty soon. Perfectly rational .

Nonetheless, credible observations lead me to conclude that, owing to Apple's challenges of late, AppleCare is more necessary-adjacent than it might have been before.

I recognize that statistics are, at best, predictive proxies for actual experience. Anecdotes and readings are, at best, instructional proxies for actual experience. Nature of the beast, like it or not. Skepticism indicates a healthy intellect, pridefulness the converse. Frankly, anyone who believes anything written in an open chat forum needs to honestly reexamine their learning style. Seriously, my avatar is a rat wearing Gargoyles, about to go down on a Compaq Windows CE handjobheld.

Semantically, and practically, and every other -ally, there cannot exist evidence for/against intrinsically subjective claim. If one claims, "Apple is Awesomest Ever", the best possible support is consensus, which is a statistical construct, about which one can only read, Q.E.D.

There will always be contention over how statistics are generated, why, by whom, and who's gettin' paid. But this ain't court, and ain't nobody in here owed nuthin'. There's no bottom to get to. There's nothing here to attack, other than me; so, bring it and feel better .

 

[ElectricPotato]

Imagine boarding an airplane or helicopter not knowing if the parts meet the spec and it being totally ok.

I don't need to imagine. I've flown on a Boeing.

 

[Victor Mortimer]

Don't pretend to sue Apple if the installed non-OEM parts fail. This reminds me of the auto industry after market cash grab by custom third party OEMs outside of original manufacturing and then owners sue the manufacture of the car and attempt class action suits when those parts do damage to their vehicles.

The moment anyone goes third party that Apple Warranty should be voided and a new warranty by the third party repair shop should kick in.

Let me introduce you to a little law called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

The ONLY way a third party part or repair can void ANY part of a warranty is if the third party part or repair process damages the device. The third party part is not covered by the OEM warranty, but the rest of the device absolutely IS. And if Apple tries to void anybody's warranty for a third party repair they're going to really enjoy the lawsuits - which they will lose.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Let me introduce you to a little law called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

The ONLY way a third party part or repair can void ANY part of a warranty is if the third party part or repair process damages the device. The third party part is not covered by the OEM warranty, but the rest of the device absolutely IS. And if Apple tries to void anybody's warranty for a third party repair they're going to really enjoy the lawsuits - which they will lose.

it’s Scary what kind of world these people argue for sometimes. Zero ownership for the consumers while the companies should be allowed to put any arbitrary restrictions they want…

 

[Victor Mortimer]

lol, do you think there no regulations on how planes are maintained? After 10.000-40.000 flight hours of a Boeing 737 they take the whole think apart going over everything.

You honestly think the airline companies do the maintenance? They only lease the planes

The big ones do their own maintenance, and own the planes. But you can't fly passengers in a plane that's been repaired with non-certificated parts, whether they're 3rd party or OEM does not matter at all.

United even does their own D-checks.

 

[Luis Ortega]

LMAO now they're just diluting the meaning of "safety and security". Like, how is me changing the battery in my iPhone with a third party one going to affect my "security"?

Well, if they replaced the Chinese battery put in during manufacture with an American battery, it might improve your security.
Do we still make batteries in the US?

 

[rin67630]

Well, if they replaced the Chinese battery put in during manufacture with an American battery, it might improve your security.
Do we still make batteries in the US?

Apple usually implements Simplo batteries. Made in Taiwan.

 

[rin67630]

they often times use the exact same models but it will not go thru all the same requirements of testing

...or the same requirements of profit !

 

[ric22]

So now apple needs to do more because the government wants to dictate how to build phones?

Yes, precisely. Of the government doesn't force them to do this they will not improve their behaviour.

 

[ric22]

Pretty much. Some refurbished phones already use 3rd party components. This bill is positive but will also result in a flood of low grade iphone components that might fail a few months after installation.

Having it possible to view in settings which components have been switched out for third party ones would solve that problem. I want the ability to replace whatever parts I wish, rather be beholden to often ridiculous Apple pricing, but I think second hand buyers deserve to know which parts have been replaced too.

 

[cmcbhi]

3rd party parts should void warranty. But this is America so I’ll get fixmyphone.com or some other website to try, break it, and then class action Apple for making the phone to hard to repair. I’ll also install some jank software that overheats my phone, and then class action Apple for making their software too good, making it hard for competitors.

Looks like someone with lnitials VM has panties in wad.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Apple replaced the battery in one of my iPhone SE1s a few years ago

Worst battery I've ever had -- charge life was awful and it ended up swelling and I replaced it myself the 2nd time with one from Amazon with great reviews -- it's still in there and doing great.

I'm not sure what Apple is "protecting" with "official parts", but I suspect it's "profit" they are protecting above anything else.

 

[cmcbhi]

So you are saying that the world needs to stop hurting Apple's feelings? Like it is a person and not a corporation that pulls in over 300 billion annually.

Don’t care about Apple’s feelings; just mine. I’d rather have a situation where my iPhone is not valuable for parts. One COULD have a setting where an iPhone wouldn’t work if stolen parts were used, but some would get panties in wad if this invalidated their income from stolen iPhones.