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Pretty clear to see Apple has big ambitions here. But I'm glad they dropped stuff that wasn't up to snuff rather than just adding sensors for the sake of it whether they were very accurate or not.

But isn't that the strategy of all smartphone/smartwatch developers?
 
I maintain my rule with Apple products: never get the first generation. Always know when to jump in. The Apple Watch sounds great, but I'd need to give it a another 2-3 years before it's good enough for me.
 
Year after year, they getting more sloppy and result of this, is crapy software and now even hardware.
 
I maintain my rule with Apple products: never get the first generation. Always know when to jump in. The Apple Watch sounds great, but I'd need to give it a another 2-3 years before it's good enough for me.

Some people make it sound like a huge investment. Just sell it later for a new device :)
 
Its visible everytime you look at it, that's the whole point... So, not sure what you're saying. That you want it visible when you arms are by your side? Or

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Collecting sensor data uses very little power, is not even done by the main processor, so you are wrong.
Seems everyone is wrong but you.............................................
 
I don't know of anyone who still complains about the bugs in iOS 2. The first part is right on though :p

There was no iOS 2. Apple called it iPhone OS till version 4 then it became iOS4.

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I agree with you. The Apple Watch has a lot more in common with the iMac, iPod, and iPad than the iPhone.

When the iPad came out, it wasn't revolutionary. It really was a big iPhone (without the phone). Apple correctly gambled that there were tasks people wanted to do on their iPhones, but the screen was too small to do them.

What's ambitious is Apple's idea that iPhone users will in large numbers buy a smart watch that is designed to work seamlessly with their iPhone.

Actually no. The iPad was in development first. Apple updated the old cancelled Newton technology and added lots more features. But part way through the iPad development Apple thought it'd be better to release this as a phone first so the iPhone came out first. There was no gamble after the iPhone. Apple knew the larger tablet market was there.

The real gamble was to postpone the larger iPad development to release the iPhone first. A gamble that paid off.
 
Nothing has changed from the announcement in September.

That's one of the reasons for the disappointment. Six months later, and the unique features the watch was rumored to have are nonexistent. It will be another watch in a market packed with fitness trackers and wrist notification devices.

Apple seems to be targeting fashion and I think that is because the only innovative feature is the way it looks. Hopefully gen 2 brings the unique features that will set the Apple Watch apart from the competition.
 
I'd rather a company came out with several models than to give only one choice.

For example, some people like rectangular watches. Others like round. Some like sporty, some like elegant.

Heck, one could accuse Apple of throwing everything against the wall with their "millions of watch variations", hoping that one look, or price range, or software feature would attract a buyer. And guess what? There's nothing wrong with that.

Likewise, there's nothing wrong with other companies offering different shapes, OSes, features (e.g. camera or not, standalone cell comms or not) in order to satisfy different buyers.
A feature of Apple in the past is that Jobs removed many of the pointless SKUs so the public had an easier choice to work out which exact product they wanted. Post Jobs though the too many SKU's disease is affecting Apple again. I saw all the different SKU's for the Apple Watch on the keynote and my instant though was "what the actual **** Apple? why so many SKU's?"

Time will tell if this over abundance of SKUs will affect anything negatively at Apple.
 
A feature of Apple in the past is that Jobs removed many of the pointless SKUs so the public had an easier choice to work out which exact product they wanted. Post Jobs though the too many SKU's disease is affecting Apple again. I saw all the different SKU's for the Apple Watch on the keynote and my instant though was "what the actual **** Apple? why so many SKU's?"

Time will tell if this over abundance of SKUs will affect anything negatively at Apple.

I don't think this applies to the watch because the device is designed to be customizable....not to mention they are the same watch with different materials.

The SKU problem does exist for the iPad lineup which is beyond bloated and confusing (especially the minis).
 
This things is looking more like a shiny, empty candy wrapper every day. To be fair, all smart watches seem pretty pointless to me, not just Apple's.
 
I maintain my rule with Apple products: never get the first generation. Always know when to jump in. The Apple Watch sounds great, but I'd need to give it a another 2-3 years before it's good enough for me.

If you waited 2 to 3 years without an iPod and then 2-3 years without an iPhone and then 2 to 3 years without an iPad, then you missed out on many years of fantastic tech. I don't know what MP3 player, cell phone or tablet you were using in the above 6 to 9 years, but I do know they were inferior to what Apple was making. Maybe you saved some money and you have an extra $500 to $1,000 in bank account today because of it. Or you just did without. But in retrospect, at least to me, it doesn't seem like you made the right choice.
 
Utter nonsense.

Nope. He current crop of android crapware watches are a direct "first!" response to the years-old rumors of apples device. Check your history.

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This is basically an overpriced toy.

Ah, the "toy" argument -- used on the iPad, the iPhone, and the original Mac. All world changing products. Good to know you aren't alone, anyway.
 
I maintain my rule with Apple products: never get the first generation. Always know when to jump in. The Apple Watch sounds great, but I'd need to give it a another 2-3 years before it's good enough for me.

If you waited 2 to 3 years without an iPod and then 2-3 years without an iPhone and then 2 to 3 years without an iPad, then you missed out on many years of fantastic tech. I don't know what MP3 player, cell phone or tablet you were using in the above 6 to 9 years, but I do know they were inferior to what Apple was making. Maybe you saved some money and you have an extra $500 to $1,000 in bank account today because of it. Or you just did without. But in retrospect, at least to me, it doesn't seem like you made the right choice.

That is an exceptionally well made point!

:)
 
This is the good thing about Apple products - the sensors did not work reliably, so Apple dropped them.

Samsung would have just put the sensors in their shipping product so they could hit a spec sheet checklist of having the sensors.
 
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If you waited 2 to 3 years without an iPod and then 2-3 years without an iPhone and then 2 to 3 years without an iPad, then you missed out on many years of fantastic tech. I don't know what MP3 player, cell phone or tablet you were using in the above 6 to 9 years, but I do know they were inferior to what Apple was making. Maybe you saved some money and you have an extra $500 to $1,000 in bank account today because of it. Or you just did without. But in retrospect, at least to me, it doesn't seem like you made the right choice.

Actually, I also couldn't afford it at the time (£ for me, not $). It was inferior at the time, but I was too young to have a brand new iPhone. So for me, I think I made the right choice.
 
I want to want one... But that Omega Seamaster Aquaterra 007 looks so damn sexy. A watch to kill for (see what I did there?).
 
Jony Ive's 'wrong' example

During presentation day, Mr. designer himself had one of those Apple Watches almost sliding of his wrist.
 
I believe Apple Watch will become really usefull after the consumers feedback on it, "what do I need from this swatch? what do I use most? what would be cool to have?" Developers throw the first snowball, the avalanche is ours to be made
 
I believe Apple Watch will become really usefull after the consumers feedback on it, "what do I need from this swatch? what do I use most? what would be cool to have?" Developers throw the first snowball, the avalanche is ours to be made

A lot like the original iPhone. It seems many (not you) forget how limited (but cool) the original iPhone/iOS was. The iPhone really came into its own with the app store (and future OS updates which included functions available on other phones)
 
Iphone was easy basicly guided the market for smartphones to what it is now , ipad was great for surfing/movies and all rund laptop replacement . Even ipod was a much better alternative then what was already there .

Yet for apple watch I am having hard seeing why you would use it.

To tell time? The rest seems gimmicky and if apple truly took out the more usefull features (for some marckets) its a shame. I gues they got a suprise about the other smartwatches already on market and were taken in speed .

iPod was brilliant at the time and still have the original click wheel version from 2001-2002. I'm a bit pissed that Apple should've stuck with the classic despite their BS claims of having no parts to make more. All they had to do was re-engineer a new design for the wheel and make a hybrid touchscreen/click wheel version. All I wanted was a solid MP3 that does one thing: Play music and no frilly apps to play with. Radio included would be nice ( although I know they did that with the Nano but I can't stand it ).

The iPod's OS is nothing but a lazy way for Apple to slap it in. I don't like using the iPod app on my phone because it takes longer to stream it from the Cloud and signals aren't always reliable ( I have unlimited data plan, no voice ), and not a fan of cramming my music collection into the phone's storage. EDIT: The only reason I would play music on it is via wifi at home while plugged in with my bluetooth adapter for my headphones when I do my studio work.

What was the point of repeating standard stock apps into the iPod when one is already using them on the iPad/iPhone? It's one of the biggest reasons why I chose not to buy another iPod Touch ( I have the first touch screen version as well ) until there is a better alternative. Music is meant to be listened to, not LOOKED at. It's an auditory experience. What I liked about the click wheel was when I napped listening to the music with my eyes closed, I could feel the wheel with my finger and adjust the volumes accordingly and knew the song collection in the back of my head. Even clicking on forward or backwards to certain songs I liked.

With the iPod Touch, you had to LOOK at it in order to change up or adjust.

As for the Apple Watch, here's the thing. If they did indeed drop the health features for the device, are people still going to pay $350 for it, or would Apple have to drop the price accordingly to make it price-accessible for the first generation?

Because the health features didn't work originally as they thought it would, it would be wise of them to drop the price a bit.

And you know what? All this is making the Kairos Watch look really good.

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People will buy these things as fashion pieces and will have no problems paying that type of money. There's a lot of rich people with Apple products that want something to buy. It's us normal folks that hate the $350 price tag.

They should drop the price, now that some of the features were. . .dropped. But I can't help but wonder if this story is engineered as an excuse by Apple to have a way to drop the price, on the other hand.
 
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