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It's a legitimate question. The leadership team in place right now was put there by Steve. It was his recommendation to the board that Tim Cook replace him. He told Walter Isaacson that Jony Ive had more operational power at Apple than anyone else but himself. These are the people Steve left in charge to run the company. Unless you agree with Yukari Kane's theory that Steve put Tim in charge so Apple would never be as/more successful as it was when Steve was CEO?


I'm reading a lot of he said she said. Still not understanding how anyone can lead from the grave. Sorry.
 
It took a lot to come up with those balloons and the slide-whistle "whoot" when your message comes up. in different colors? Huh?

They had to get the shading of the bubbles and the tone of the whistle just right! :D

More seriously, I personally never used texting before the iPhone, so I don't know how much of an improvement it was over preexisting text UIs. But in general, a lot of things that look obvious in hindsight wasn't so obvious beforehand.

That is why I'd love it if someone could find pictures of older texting UI. I'd like to be able to compare them myself.
 
That is why I'd love it if someone could find pictures of older texting UI. I'd like to be able to compare them myself.

Most SMS apps were pretty basic.

I think the Palm Treo 650 was one of the first smartphones back in 2004 or 2005 to make the "chat" style of SMS viewing popular. No balloons, though. (Picture below is from 2006)

2004_palm-treo-chat.jpg

Naturally, it didn't take long before someone made a similar app for Pocket PC phones:

sms-threader.jpg

Still no balloons :)
 
That is why I'm holding on to iOS6 and Snow Leopard for as long as I can…
Just like my Mac 128. When Scully produced those awful ProFormas I had to switch to Windows.
Scully without Jobs reminds me of Ives and Cook of today.

Why Snow leopard? It's nearly identical looks wise to Mavericks. The only big difference I notice is SL still has those ugly scrollbars on the side where Mavericks has the appearing and disappearing elegant one. ;)
 
Imagine there was no iPhone. Would Steve Jobs still be seen as the genius everything says he is now?
 
Most SMS apps were pretty basic.

I think the Palm Treo 650 was one of the first smartphones back in 2004 or 2005 to make the "chat" style of SMS viewing popular. No balloons, though. (Picture below is from 2006)

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Naturally, it didn't take long before someone made a similar app for Pocket PC phones:

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Still no balloons :)

Thank you for the pics. The bubbles sure are easier to read.

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Imagine there was no iPhone. Would Steve Jobs still be seen as the genius everything says he is now?

SteveJobs was considered a genius long before the iPhone.
 
I have used Logitech mice since the late 90's. But I never see Logitech as an Apple-like company. They most certainly don't pay that much attention to details. They make decent mice with half baked designs, and terrible software. They are still the best imho but they could do so much better.

No kidding. I use a wireless Logitech at work because it's about 45,008% better than the craptastic Dell mouse that came with my "workstation". But it still has weird idiosyncrasies like the right-click is real twitchy sometimes and the dongle, when slid into it's track when not in use turns the mouse on instead of off. The cushiony rubber sides also get globby grime buildup over time that is maddeningly difficult to clean off. I'll take my MagicMouse over that any day.
 
So you think Steve Jobs is the genius that he is, but is incapable of choosing leadership to keep his vision alive? I think that's pretty insulting to Jobs true brilliance, which was talent management/recruiting and having good "taste" in people, not just products.

True. However, Jobs had the greatest talent of all: the ability to say 'no' (maybe even to shout it loud) to lousy ideas and products and to make sure they would be fixed before they saw the light of day. No one today has that capability to both identify the true potential of a good idea and to ferociously reject all the mediocre, intermediate implementations whilst pushing his team to create the perfect experience.

Since Jobs' and Forstall's "departures", iOS has become the ugly mess we know today (since this is not a rant comment, I'll spare the 2 pages of inconsistencies and contradictions that can be found in Ives' new designs). The post-Jobs era is not about having a less creative or disrupting Apple, it's about not having the perfectionism that only Jobs could demand and obtain from his team.

That is why I'm holding on to iOS6 and Snow Leopard for as long as I can…
Just like my Mac 128. When Scully produced those awful ProFormas I had to switch to Windows.
Scully without Jobs reminds me of Ives and Cook of today.

Very much agree with it all except that Cook and Scully have nothing in common. Cook is not a product person (http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-says-tim-cook-not-a-product-person-2011-10), but Scully had no vision at all for the company. Cook is actually a pretty good CEO. He just lacks taste. He should never have agreed to letting Ives run the whole UI show, it's not his background.

I'd say that all of that is the pundits fault, who loudly insisted that iOS should be "refreshed", out of boredom surely. What they meant of course was that the use of skeuomorphism should be toned down and that the springboard could do with some more modern features.
I'm not sure anybody imagined that we'd get the shiny tasteless mess we got with iOS 7 instead… (3D without shadows? Seriously?)
 
True. However, Jobs had the greatest talent of all: the ability to say 'no' (maybe even to shout it loud) to lousy ideas and products and to make sure they would be fixed before they saw the light of day. No one today has that capability to both identify the true potential of a good idea and to ferociously reject all the mediocre, intermediate implementations whilst pushing his team to create the perfect experience.

Since Jobs' and Forstall's "departures", iOS has become the ugly mess we know today (since this is not a rant comment, I'll spare the 2 pages of inconsistencies and contradictions that can be found in Ives' new designs). The post-Jobs era is not about having a less creative or disrupting Apple, it's about not having the perfectionism that only Jobs could demand and obtain from his team.



Very much agree with it all except that Cook and Scully have nothing in common. Cook is not a product person (http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-says-tim-cook-not-a-product-person-2011-10), but Scully had no vision at all for the company. Cook is actually a pretty good CEO. He just lacks taste. He should never have agreed to letting Ives run the whole UI show, it's not his background.

I'd say that all of that is the pundits fault, who loudly insisted that iOS should be "refreshed", out of boredom surely. What they meant of course was that the use of skeuomorphism should be toned down and that the springboard could do with some more modern features.
I'm not sure anybody imagined that we'd get the shiny tasteless mess we got with iOS 7 instead… (3D without shadows? Seriously?)
So basically you're presenting your opinion and your tastes as truth and evidence that the current Apple leadership is lacking Steve's perfectionism/taste? Anyone who thinks Ive, and Ive alone made all the decisions regarding iOS 7 is clueless, IMO. Craig Federighi owns iOS and Greg Christie, who is VP of Human Interface, reports to Federighi, not Ive. If the software guys were not on board with iOS 7 it wouldn't have gone out the door.

Note: since iOS 7 was announced there hasn't been a single story/piece of gossip about dissension inside Apple over it or the firing of Forstall. Surely if that was the case someone would have leaked it to the usual suspects. When Bob Mansfield retired and then un-retired Bloomberg ran a story claiming that hardware guys went to Cook to complain that Dan Riccio wasn't ready to replace Mansfield. The rumor at the time was that Cook offered Mansfield a lot of $$$ to stay and help with the transition. I have yet to hear a similar story about Ive. If employees inside Apple are unhappy with his new role or that Forstall was fired someone is doing a damn good job of keeping it from leaking. Apple rumor sites like this and general tech sites would be all over that story. Honestly I'm quite surprised more of the back story on iOS 7 hasn't leaked. I guess that's one area where Cook has been able to double down on secrecy.
 
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