OS 9, G5's in 2003, and Apple Engineers

[daveg5]

Re: Re: Both Os9 and OSX are great(but 9 can be a pain)

Originally posted by Kid Red



Well, I've run since the beta and I've had about 4-6 crashes during that year 1/2 or so period. I would hardly say that X 'crashes'. That's more like a hic up. 9 would crash daily using Ie & Entourage, mmm, both M$ products, but 9 wasn't very stable.

I had the same problems with 9.1 it was extremely frustrating sometimes I could not go 10 minutes with out a force quit and after I did that a few time then it would be a hard freeze, it got to the point where I would have to say a prayer before I used it and a curse after it crashed multiple times during the day even after I got rid of a bad block drive got certified memory, and limewire and all those file sharing programs and did a clean install with nothing in the pci slots allocated get info memory kept the drive defrag and ran norton anti virus and disk utilities I still got frequent crashes. It was not until I did a total disk erase and OS and app reinstall all with the exstensions off (never install anything with your exstensions on and promptly delete the last thing you installed if you get crashes) that the crashes stop, most of all I think 9.1 and Limewire as least for me were the biggest culprit once I got to 9.2.2 all my problems ceased with all of my PCI cards nonethe less, Oh i still get an ocassional hard crash and I.E. quits. but I can live with 1 or 2 a week.
And I agree OSX is at least ten times more stable and I plan to use exclusively by this time next year when all the Major Audio apps and Audio/midi driver issues are ironed out and the new Appletized Logic 6 Titanium sees the light of day. But for now that is not an option.
peace out

 

[daveg5]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Great

Originally posted by mphatik677


Here's my 10¢:

The solution for your audio problems is this little app called Logic Audio. I get tired of hearing people bitch about features available in X that they can't get in 9, yet they're reluctant to upgrade. For 80-90% of the Mac using population, there isn't an app in 9 that they can't have a better version of in X. That leaves no reason not to upgrade except maybe some scratch availability but come on, Apple is not charging the $200-$300 for a single license of Jaguar that M$ charges for winblows. And by the way, I'm an expert with OS 9 and have on many occasions had it running for several weeks at a time. I've had X running for 3-4 months without a reboot. All I ask is that people don't bitch about new technologies available in X when they won't help themselves and upgrade. Come on people, support this great company we all know and love. The more people using X, the greater the chance there is for developers to write cool apps for us. You gotta make the leap and help the developers help us by creating market demand for their software. Simple equation, nuff said.

My 2¢ is free.

Actually I agree with most of your points as I own Logic 4.7 Mac OS( and an Atari version) but have decided to bypass the OSX 5 version because I've grown tired of the GUI, i prefer DP3 and cubase's GUI, once apple goes to 6 I am in, 5.4 has got great reviews with a few concerns on clicks and pops. emagic just released drivers for thier emi2/6 and drivers for my audiowerk card is on the way. in OS9 logic is probably the most capable music App it runs its own plugins plus my cubase vst plugins and i have a lot and works with both my dspfactory sound card(but not the 5 dsp's)
( check out a DSP screen shot http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/...tefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en)
and audiowerk sound card, not yet in OSX though. I will upgrade my cubase to Jag next month though, I like thier unlimited undo/redo unlimited tracks and protools style print fx to hard disk feature although it looks a little too much PCish.
Basically what is keeping me from going all OSX is lack of support for my sound cards and Vst plug ins which are not that old and did not come cheaply. It's just a matter of time before they are remedied. And knowing that Protools 6, Digital Performer and Logic 6 are around the corner.
I love OSX, use it Daily and was one of the first to let people know of The first multitrack available for ir Deck 3.5 by Bias and I am responsible for some switchers but us musicians/audio folk are a picky lot and some times take months to pick out a simple sound or midi card because sound quality is subjective at best. I have heard 24 bit bargian cards that while have great stats dont have the punch and quakity of my 16 bit Audiowerk card and have yet to here any sound card that sounds better then the Dspfactory but it has 5 Custom dsp's with seperate eq, delay, compression/expasion on each track and 2efx/reverbs available on input and/or output and no drain on the CPU- 5 analouge ins/5outs digital in/out the others are simply in/out devices. Once Yamaha or 3rd party suppot it in OSX, I'm there.
Back to subject:
I hope the new Powermacs can truly take advantage of ddr
top line Dual 1.6 or Quad 1.25, 512k cache, 1GB mem, 1or 2 x 200GB 8MB buffer drives, bluetooth, wireless mouse, quieter operation, top ati card available, firewire 2 independant channels, usb2,

 

[iwantanewmac]

Re: Re: Both Os9 and OSX are great

Originally posted by Kid Red



Well, I've run since the beta and I've had about 4-6 crashes during that year 1/2 or so period. I would hardly say that X 'crashes'. That's more like a hic up. 9 would crash daily using Ie & Entourage, mmm, both M$ products, but 9 wasn't very stable.

you didnt read the quote you posted very well yourself........
Maybe YOUR OS9 wasn't very stable.....mine is.
Runs 24/7 without a crash for weeks....
Yes I use IE as well.
Who are you to judge wether it is stable or not...

 

[cr2sh]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Great

Originally posted by daveg5
I hope the new Powermacs can truly take advantage of ddr
top line Dual 1.6 or Quad 1.25, 512k cache, 1GB mem, 1or 2 x 200GB 8MB buffer drives, bluetooth, wireless mouse, quieter operation, top ati card available, firewire 2 independant channels, usb2,

You're preaching to the choir, brother. Add it to my (post)-christmas list!

 

[barkmonster]

Maybe YOUR OS9 wasn't very stable.....mine is.
Runs 24/7 without a crash for weeks....
Yes I use IE as well.
Who are you to judge wether it is stable or not...

IE crashes at least once a day, it never takes down the whole system though unless the bugfest known as quicktime 6 is being used at the time, those cache bugs that STILL arn't fixed after IE5 being out for over 2 and half years cause more crashes than any other app. It also fragments memory for fun and after a few hours of browsing I have to restart just so I don't get jumpy screen redraws with either protools or quicktime player.

I agree, OS 9 without loads of 3rd party extensions and stuff is pretty damn stable if you've got a reasonable amount of RAM. I still want to move to OS X fulltime, once all the apps I use are OS X native and I can afford upgrades for any of the ones that are going to be paid for upgrades. I just can't see me buying a mac that only boots OS X for at least a year purely for cost reasons though, OS 9 is still very useful to me and I'm not wasting money on jaguar right now just to find out how slow it runs on my mac.

 

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by barkmonster




I agree, OS 9 without loads of 3rd party extensions and stuff is pretty damn stable if you've got a reasonable amount of RAM.

i rarely crash while cruising on the internet with my os 9.0 ibook with 160 MB of RAM

but when i got the machine with its standard 32 MB of RAM, the internet always crashed it about every other time i logged on

the only problem i have with os 9.0 now is that it does not always wake from sleep and will wake up frozen about one out of every five times or so

but i know the update os 9.1/9.2 is supposed to solve that issue but it really has never bugged me that much

my next mac will obviously be next year most likely and it will be os x all the way and maybe the next os rev after jaguar