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Thanks for your comment - but it is in my view fairly confusing. The website first says:

HDMI
The MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015) will support these displays and rates using the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter.
3840x2160 at 30 Hz refresh rate
4096x2160 at 24 Hz refresh rate (mirroring is not supported at this resolution)

Then:

DisplayPort
With OS X Yosemite v10.10.3, most single-stream 4K (3840x2160) displays are supported at 60Hz operation on the following Mac computers:
MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015)


As of today, there is no USB-C to Displayport adapter or USB-C compatible external display... so no way to currently power a 4k 60Hz screen with a retina MacBook - am I wrong?

You sir, are correct :)
 
One of the may reviewers used a third party adapter (I think google for some reason, though that doesn't make sense on the surface) to do this. I think they said it ran at 30 and wasn't very good. Sorry can't find a link off hand.

It was arstechncia if I am not mistaken, but they were running a preview version of OS X, not the final 10.10.3. So I would want an independent confirmation of their findings before I believe that the MB can't run 4K@60fps
 
What are the chances Intel will delay Skylake? 99.99%?

Ain't that the truth.
Intel hasn't felt the heat in a while; AMD needs to step it up -- and even that prospect is nothing but rumors.

And what is driving me crazy is that underneath all of this swirling battle between TSMC, Global Foundries, et al, is the growth of Samsung.

I was hoping Apple's interest in TSMC would push all of this forward faster, but alas, no.

Samsung's continued push into the Foundry business , their overall size and volume, which gives them power with manufacturers, and their history of sketchy business practices makes me think that Samsung has the industry by the balls right now and is squeezing hard.
 

Is there any reason to anticipate that DisplayPort 1.3 will require Skylake or is it more just a matter of the timing of the new technologies being available on new machines around the same time?

In other words can we expect to see Nvidia and AMD future generation graphics cards being released with DisplayPort 1.3 that are compatible with non-Skylake machines?

I am torn as to whether or not to jump into 5k land on my cMP now with a two cable solution or to wait it out until the release of DisplayPort 1.3 which will have a cleaner 1 cable solution. The single display cable seems likely to maintain more long term compatibility with other devices as the technology gains more widespread adoption following its release.
 
I expect a Broadwell update at WWDC. Skylake will be saved for next year with a high likelihood of a redesign, dumping all ports except USB Type-C, Thunderbolt 3 and a headphone jack in an effort to make the laptop even thinner. Yep, that means HDMI and SD card slot will probably go too.

No Skylake until next year would make me sad.
 
nMP(6): 2x 5k(Mst) Monitors /$5k.

Will a Mac Pro drive two of these monitors? (using 4 of the Thunderbolt ports, of course)

As others have said, good question.

The (10.10.03) graphic specs seem to indicate that the most recent iMac can run one(1x) 5k external monitor - via two TB2 cables (Mst). But the nMP(6) has 3x Thunderbolt Controllers. So it should be able to run two of them. Perhaps..

But first, you'll need to find another $5k - required to purchase two of the UP2715k screens from Dell. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=UP275K3
 
and dell is still charging 2499 for just the monitor.. Apple should add support to use a second 5k imac as a monitor.. it's the same damn price..

Picking up that idea... If that second iMac could then serve as a server so you get some decent use out of the CPU that you paid for...

And anyway, if you have two displays on your desk, you would like them to look identically.
 
Thanks for your comment - but it is in my view fairly confusing. The website first says:

HDMI
The MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015) will support these displays and rates using the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter.
3840x2160 at 30 Hz refresh rate
4096x2160 at 24 Hz refresh rate (mirroring is not supported at this resolution)
That means via HDMI, more specifically the HDMI port of the USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter you are limited to 30 Hz.


DisplayPort
With OS X Yosemite v10.10.3, most single-stream 4K (3840x2160) displays are supported at 60Hz operation on the following Mac computers:
MacBook (Retina, 12-inch, Early 2015)


As of today, there is no USB-C to Displayport adapter or USB-C compatible external display... so no way to currently power a 4k 60Hz screen with a retina MacBook - am I wrong?
There is no way using only Apple products. But using a third-party USB-C to DP adaptor it is possible. Google has announced such a product but seems to have withdrawn it again.
 
Just had a look at the new CG248-4K 24" Eizo 4k display, looks like Apple are gonna miss my money unless something appears very soon

99% Adobe RGB and beautiful IPS matt screen,

sadly can't afford the 31" version

display port connection but it ran fine at the demo

I think 24" is a good sweet spot for 4K. Still keeps it around retina at typical viewing distances. Too bad my 2012 rMBP can't run 4K at 60hz. I don't much find myself needing a MacBook nowadays anyway, so might as well get the Skylake 5K iMac when that comes out. I'd love 99% Adobe RGB but I've been making it for years without it. If I'm sharing online most people only have sRGB capable screens—and even those often don't cover 100%. Only reason I'd need Adobe RGB is for printing out my Adobe RGB photos which is what I've got my cameras set to, and when I do printing I just do 4x6 test prints and check them under a daylight balanced bulb and color correct manually. I don't do a ton of printing, but I do it myself and it turns out looking great. Still wish I had one, but at this point I can't justify buying something like that AND a 5K iMac, lol. I guess I could go the Mac Pro route, which is something to consider, and could save money over time with upgrades. Hmmm.
 
Pity the editors here don't read the forums.

This was posted last week here, complete with screenshots.

Missed the scoop.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1864866/
 
if anybody is using dell 5k monitor with mac pro 2013 please post your experience. I would really like to know how well this works now that it's officially supported.
 
I have Dell's identically-styled UP2414Q 4k display, which (at that 23.x-inch size) is a gorgeous sharp retina resolution, with a great-looking color gamut (as long as you don't use black/dark backgrounds or night scenes, which have a ton of lower-third glow.) OS X supports multiple scaled resolutions just like a retina MacBook Pro, and they all look great.

And aside from the picture, it's terrible! I wish there had been SOME other external retina display choice for my black Mac Pro. (But there wasn't: other 4k displays were too big, leaving pixels unsuitable for either 1:1 or scaled use.)

The problems are many, but chief among them:

- The built-in USB ports are unpowered (seriously!) and disconnect entirely from the computer when the display is asleep even if the computer is away. NEVER connect a USB stick or storage to the display.

- Cheaply made with some sheet-aluminum and some creaky plastic painted to not-really-match the aluminum. The portrait/landscape rotate (which I thought used to work but doesn't anymore) always sits at a slight angle off of level. You get used to it, but who wants an always-crooked monitor? Plus, a few tiny bits of dust and hair in between the layers of this brand-new display--like dead pixels but bigger. I could have asked for a warranty swap, but you get a refurb, which by all accounts is likely to be scuffed up and dirty and worse than the original.

- Awful controls. Trying to change the brightness is needless extra steps, with buttons that sometimes work and sometimes don't.

- No webcam, no speakers, no mic (so no iPhone handoff), no ambient light sensor (so you must fight those menus daily), no cleanable, dent-proof cover-glass, no MagSafe charger. This is NOT an Apple-level display, even if the panel itself is (mostly) nice.

- WORST OF ALL: it almost never wakes from sleep (and powering on/off) won't help. You basically have to power down your ENTIRE MAC every time you walk away, because otherwise you'll end up blind and having to force-shutdown. Which I've done many times, and yes, data loss can result. Only a full boot will make a picture appear reliably.

So... if you think a Dell is the display of your dreams, go in with low expectations. Expect a cheaply-made, unreliable stopgap until you can afford (and find!) something better.

This is why I woulds stay away from this display dispite that long thread on this forum.
 
Rather strange, how can a 1.1 Ghz Macbook run a 4k display at 60hz where a 2.6 Ghz 13-inch Mid 2014 Macbook Pro can't? Anybody an idea?
 
But why doesn't the Late 2013 15" rMBP have SST 4K support when the Mid 2014 15" rMBP does? They have nearly identical components :confused:
 
Intel still updating broadwel and not a word about skylake..so if they update at wwdc it will be for sure broadwel

This has been asked a quintillion times on the MBP board, Apple is skipping Broadwell, as are most for the more powerful machines. Next 15s will be Skylake, followed a few months later by Skylake 13s.
 
In theory, a current Mac Pro should be able to drive two 5K displays with each display using two cables, so using four of the six ThunderBolt ports. I have not tested this nor do I know anyone else who has tested it.
 
Why did apple forget the late 2013 GT750M MacBook Pro? Anyone know a way to get this to work. Annoys the hell out of me when apple force obsolescence. Especially when there is no dam difference between the mid 2014 and late 2013 in terms of graphics capabilities :mad:

EDIT

Referring to SST unless it does work and there is something else wrong with my set up.
 
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It was too good to be true. The Apple support article has been updated again. There's no 60 Hz 4K for Mac mini or MacBook.
 
Is there any reason to anticipate that DisplayPort 1.3 will require Skylake or is it more just a matter of the timing of the new technologies being available on new machines around the same time?

In other words can we expect to see Nvidia and AMD future generation graphics cards being released with DisplayPort 1.3 that are compatible with non-Skylake machines?

I am torn as to whether or not to jump into 5k land on my cMP now with a two cable solution or to wait it out until the release of DisplayPort 1.3 which will have a cleaner 1 cable solution. The single display cable seems likely to maintain more long term compatibility with other devices as the technology gains more widespread adoption following its release.

I'm in the same boat and realized that I should absolutely stay away from any dual cable hacked up monitor situations.
So many possible headaches, including the panels not perfectly matching and being noticeable at times.

It's just a stop gap and a good thing to stay away from I finally concluded.
 
Dell 5K on Mac Pros

I have the Dell 5K display running at 5120x2880 60Hz on the nMP using the dual mDP to DP cables that come with the display. It exhibits the Retina effect scaled to 2560x1440 -- identical in quality to the iMac 5K sitting next to it.

Also works with the 2010 Mac Pro tower with the Geforce GTX 970, 980, and TITAN X.

Wish Apple offered their own version of the 5K display. I have to say this is one of the nicer looking Dell displays with height adjustment and option to pivot to portrait mode.
 
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