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Why have an on/off switch for something that is essentially the same thing renamed. How hard it is to remember 2 new words for saving documents? Not very hard.

Why have a switch to switch back to something in the past that was not as good. It's called creative destruction. Out with the old and in with the new and better. That's how Apple think. And I think they are right.

You think ? Ok, could you do me a favor and tell me, how can I open a text file using Textedit, and then save it with a new encoding, when "Save As" dialog is missing ? And how can it be that you call this missing feature "new and better" ?

(Btw, I can do the above task with a workaround using different s/w, but not with Textedit anymore. Textedit is now crippled because of this).
 
Open this fixes the nvidia graphics crash on my iMac. I've send millions of those crash reports in...

+1 on this! No, make that +1,000,000!

Lion on my iMac is pretty much unusable as a day to day machine due to constant graphics glitches.
 
They're not likely to "fix" any of the dumb changes that make Lion less likeable than Snow Leopard for some users. It would be nice though to get some of the sluggishness and beachballing fixed. An added bonus would be if Aperture and PS CS5 didn't bog down and/or crash as much (or at all).
 
Quote: Save a version and duplicate to the exact same things as save and save as. Get over yourself. Accept the name change and move on. Or get left behind.

Not written by a programmer, or anyone who writes complex content.
 
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You think ? Ok, could you do me a favor and tell me, how can I open a text file using Textedit, and then save it with a new encoding, when "Save As" dialog is missing ? And how can it be that you call this missing feature "new and better" ?

(Btw, I can do the above task with a workaround using different s/w, but not with Textedit anymore. Textedit is now crippled because of this).

I'm not Version's biggest fan, but if I understand your needs correctly then you would do it this way:
  1. Open text file in TextEdit.
  2. Go to File->Duplicate and close the original document.
  3. Make the changes to the new document.
  4. File->Save...

I'm pretty sure that would cover you.
 
It's not the same thing renamed. It's a counter intuitive thing that evens adds steps to your workflow.

Let's say I have a 30 page long document. I just want to open it and play around. But maybe not save anything. Now I actively have to either go to the top menu to lock the document or or click "dublicate" to generate and extra copy to play with - and then maybe delete afterwards.

And Autosave is not systemwide. It app dependant.

When working in Rapidweaver it doesn't autosave. In Pixelmator it does.
When working in Microsoft Word it doesn't autosave. In Pages it does.

And then when you realise you've been autosaving for the past 15 minutes - and click Versions - you get 10 different versions to look at. Well, if it's a 30 page document how are you going to find out which version you are looking for?

This whole Autosave-Version-Reopen-all-Windows-where-you-left-off thing works great on iPhone and iPad.

But my Mac is not a smartphone. It's a production tool. Autosave and Versions may work for some. Especially "Mom and Dad" who have little computing expertice.

But I can control my workflow by myself.

Just make an on/off switch and make everybody happy. It's as simple as that.

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It's not the name change that is the problem. It's the "auto" part. When working in previous versions of OSX do you press "save" every 5 seconds? Even when just playing around and trying things out? Do you still press "save" every 5 seconds knowing you're just playing around and may not actually want your final product to include all your changes?

Yes. I could lock the document or create a dublicate. But that's adding steps to the production process - not simplifying it. And it's not systemwide so I have to remember every single time which app autosaves and which one that doesn't.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. So much that I am quoting your entire post. It is a well written explanation of why versions is terrible.

You don't have to be a programmer to realize how stupid it is. I am a law student, and I write 15+ page documents. Even a 5 page document is enough to realize how ridiculous the idea of versions is. Open up a 5+ page document in Pages, change a few things here and there over a period of a few hours. Then open up timeline view and try to figure out which one represents what change.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with you. So much that I am quoting your entire post. It is a well written explanation of why versions is terrible.

You don't have to be a programmer to realize how stupid it is. I am a law student, and I write 15+ page documents. Even a 5 page document is enough to realize how ridiculous the idea of versions is. Open up a 5+ page document in Pages, change a few things here and there over a period of a few hours. Then open up timeline view and try to figure out which one represents what change.

Totally agree with you. I had some issues with Pages and Numbers not supporting all of the features found in Word and Excel documents but I was living with it. When versions, autosave and the lack of Save As came along I was done with iWork for good.

Now I use Office 2011 and totally love it. I didn't realize what I was missing. As a bonus I'm less tied to Mac than I was with iWork.
 
I'm not Version's biggest fan, but if I understand your needs correctly then you would do it this way:
  1. Open text file in TextEdit.
  2. Go to File->Duplicate and close the original document.
  3. Make the changes to the new document.
  4. File->Save...

I'm pretty sure that would cover you.

5. Delete the original file
6. Rename the new file to the original's filename

Yes, that's a working workaround too. Still, these are too many steps to substitute a click on a "Save as" option. I mean, "Save as" function is a traditional function of all editors, for a reason. Being able to change encoding is also a traditional function of respected text editors. I just don't see how Textedit is now better than the old one. Some applications should never get the Versions functionality, while it looks good on some others. I believe Apple should distinct these two categories.
 
5. Delete the original file
6. Rename the new file to the original's filename

Yes, that's a working workaround too. Still, these are too many steps to substitute a click on a "Save as" option. I mean, "Save as" function is a traditional function of all editors, for a reason. Being able to change encoding is also a traditional function of respected text editors. I just don't see how Textedit is now better than the old one. Some applications should never get the Versions functionality, while it looks good on some others. I believe Apple should distinct these two categories.

Those two steps are the same as before if you were using "Save As." If you were overwriting your file in the "Save As" dialog, you would do the same in the "Save" dialog.
 
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Totally agree with you. I had some issues with Pages and Numbers not supporting all of the features found in Word and Excel documents but I was living with it. When versions, autosave and the lack of Save As came along I was done with iWork for good.

Now I use Office 2011 and totally love it. I didn't realize what I was missing. As a bonus I'm less tied to Mac than I was with iWork.

How do you enjoy using Office for Mac 2011? I was thinking of buying but I'm not sure well the compatiblity is with Office for Windows documents & spreadsheets. It's important because I need to share documents with people who run Office for Windows.
 
You think ? Ok, could you do me a favor and tell me, how can I open a text file using Textedit, and then save it with a new encoding, when "Save As" dialog is missing ? And how can it be that you call this missing feature "new and better" ?

(Btw, I can do the above task with a workaround using different s/w, but not with Textedit anymore. Textedit is now crippled because of this).

Save as = duplicate
Save = save a version.
Both are in the file menu of text edit and other select applications.

Pretty simple. Same thing just a different name.
Save as really is saving a duplicate file.
Save a version, well you can just use it as save and forget the whole version thing exists if you want to. But it's there if you ever need it.

This works in text edit. i do it all the time.
 
I hope it fixes the complete mess that Mission Control has become.

What the hell was Apple thinking of getting rid of Expose?? Grouping windows sucks if you multitask.

Speak for yourself. I prefer Mission Control. Learn to show the windows in the group and it's much easier to find them.
 
I'd say that would be the car - do the problems relate to SMB 1.x or SMB 2.x I wonder given that SMB 2.x was pretty much a clean room re-write vs. the ad-hoc nature in which 1.x was originally written.

New Mac user here. Bought the 21.5" iMac around Chrstimas time. I love the machine, but sharing external drives to Windows machines over SMB is totally broken, at least in Lion.

I had to install the samba3 from macports to get it working. Hopefully this will be fixed so I can use the sharing pref pane, and not deal with conf file in the macports version of Samba.
 
It's not the same thing renamed. It's a counter intuitive thing that evens adds steps to your workflow.

Let's say I have a 30 page long document. I just want to open it and play around. But maybe not save anything. Now I actively have to either go to the top menu to lock the document or or click "dublicate" to generate and extra copy to play with - and then maybe delete afterwards.

You should make a duplicate anyway. It's safer. Let's say you have a 30 page document. You just want to open it and play around, but maybe not save anything. Let's say your finger accidentally hit the S and W at almost the same time but didn't notice, when you were intending to press Command-W to close the document. Now you just saved your changes, closed the document, and you won't realize it until the next time you open it.

If you consider the document to always be current (i.e. autosaved) then you'll learn to do the safe thing - make a duplicate before playing around. The only reason people didn't do this before was because they had to go to the Finder to do it. Now they don't have to.
And Autosave is not systemwide. It app dependant.

When working in Rapidweaver it doesn't autosave. In Pixelmator it does.
When working in Microsoft Word it doesn't autosave. In Pages it does.

And then when you realise you've been autosaving for the past 15 minutes - and click Versions - you get 10 different versions to look at. Well, if it's a 30 page document how are you going to find out which version you are looking for?

This whole Autosave-Version-Reopen-all-Windows-where-you-left-off thing works great on iPhone and iPad.
We're in a transition. MS already announced support for autosave. It works great on the iPhone/iPad because everybody implemented it. Third parties will eventually update their apps and it will be the same as on iOS. Seamless.
But my Mac is not a smartphone. It's a production tool. Autosave and Versions may work for some. Especially "Mom and Dad" who have little computing expertice.

But I can control my workflow by myself.

Yes, but why should you? The whole point of computers is to automate and do the redundant tasks for us. Your workflow is to create content - not to manage files. Managing files and saving is the part of the workflow you learned because in the past, you had to. If you change your way of thinking (i.e. your workflow) a bit, you'll save yourself time and increase productivity in the long run. i.e. more of your time will be spent creating the content rather than managing it
 
Launchpad animations are definitely smoother after a couple of hours system use on my 2009 iMac. :D

Mission Control also literally bursts onto my screen too. Very pleased, long may it continue.
 
I'm sure I'm not only one, but please do a 10.6.9 so those of us who are remaining on SL for some time due to software requirements, can you please give us integration with iCloud.

I agree wholeheartedly. Please send feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

If enough people ask for it, it might just happen. Posting on a message board will not be noticed by them.

Cheers!
 
Speak for yourself. I prefer Mission Control. Learn to show the windows in the group and it's much easier to find them.

I don't speak for myself. Go to the OS X Lion forum and you'll see many others pissed off with the implementation of Mission Control.
 
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