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OS X 10.8.3 Build 12D78 Seeded to Developers
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Precisely. If Apple released this sooner, people would inevitably find some bug and complain that Apple should have taken their time.
Oh, and regarding your signature- GO BEARKATS! Just kidding... you beat us two years in a row, you have every right to be proud.
The bugs will still be there.
I really hope so too. To be honest, my current experience with it is beta-like at best. Slow UI, very glitchy Safari, abysmal 2D+3D graphics performance,... Under bootcamp I have about 4x (!) the framerate in some apps. After finally deciding to get myself a new laptop after 6 years with the previous one, it would be nice to finally have it in working order...
Exactly my point. When people find the first bugs in 10.8.3, they'll ask why Apple didn't just release it sooner. If Apple released it sooner, they would have asked why Apple didn't just wait until it was ready.
We'll never know what critical bugs we avoided by Apple waiting for 10+ seeds to release this update. No piece of software, especially something as complex as an operating system, will ever be bug-free. Still though, I appreciate the effort that Apple is putting in to what would normally be a pretty minor update.
The point i think is that you care enough to respond
Does my response to this post show I care ?
thinkaboutit.
Quite the discussion about release sooner with bugs still or take longer and have it be more solid. There will always be bugs but the balance of timing and number/size of bugs is the hard part.
Why can't we have it both ways? Quick release with a stable product?
Maybe Apple just needs to put effort into it (resources, focus, etc.)
Tim talks about Apple making the best products being their focus. Well it needs good hardware and good software to do that. The development of these things need people making them.
I just think Apple needs more quality people to make quality products.
Things like this make me think that Apple is slowly letting things die. It worries me about their future, and stock prices, and products for me to use.
I think they need more of that underdog fight or die attitude they had right around the time the iPod was released.
Why can't we have it both ways? Quick release with a stable product?
Maybe Apple just needs to put effort into it (resources, focus, etc.)
Tim talks about Apple making the best products being their focus. Well it needs good hardware and good software to do that. The development of these things need people making them.
I just think Apple needs more quality people to make quality products.
Things like this make me think that Apple is slowly letting things die. It worries me about their future, and stock prices, and products for me to use.
I think they need more of that underdog fight or die attitude they had right around the time the iPod was released.
I think you missed the 'Baghdad Bob' image under his statement (i.e. he was joking).
Actually I want to know if they fixed the annoying notifications calendar issue and the ability to pick a 'snooze' duration.
Of course there will always be some bugs, but that's missing the whole point.
The reason you keep doing more betas is to get more things fixed. Not to get everything fixed, to get more things fixed.
With any bug fixing process, the balance is always between updates more often with fewer fixes, and updates less often with more fixes. These continued betas simply mean that they have a goal of fixing certain (and enough) things, and they don't feel like those things are fixed to their satisfaction.
Because some things simply take time, and throwing more resources at it doesn't always help. I guess you've never heard the cliché about getting nine women together to produce a baby in one month.
Having recently switched over from a PC to a Mac, I'm finding it hilarious how everyone's life is put on hold for an update. I always heard that Apple fans were sheep, but I never dreamed it was this bad. Here's an idea, go outside, get some sunshine, and whenever the update is ready they will release it.
Does my response to this post show I care ?
thinkaboutit.
If you respond to any post it shows you have some interest otherwise you wouldn't bother.
The irony that i see is that i'm pointing it out and i care, I certainly wouldn't waste good time arguing if i didn't lol.
Good old school management is required when empowered employees screw one after another. Trust is gained and lost Applebes.
That's the same sorta behaviour for fanboys of all stripes.
Microsoft doesn't encounter this sorta problem only because the update train rolls into the station the second Tuesday of each month, on schedule.
Or it could just be that now that Johnny Ive is in charge he wants patches and releases to be far more polished before they go public?
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Perhaps they want to release the new Mac Pros imminently and 10.8.3 needs to be loaded onto it? That would mean they better smooth out 10.8.3 instead of having to rely on working on a new 10.8.4 immediately to fix issues with these new systems?
It's not about Apple releasing the update sooner or later, it's about how many engineers they're putting behind OS X compared to iOS because that's what the quality and frequency of the OS X updates depends on.
And how many engineers do they really have behind OS X? That, nobody can really tell us.
And how many engineers do they really have behind OS X? That, nobody can really tell us.
He's been in charge of OS X for over 2 years. He took over iOS when Forstall left.
You would think "people within Apple" would know that!
Wow. I've been involved with Apple for a while, and I've never seen a beta take quite this long. I sure hope Apple's doing it to clean up old bugs that were never fixed, as I have some pet peeve bugs that have been around since Lion.
This is a little too simplistic. Let's be a little more nuanced shall we. Many of us long time Apple users have become accustomed to having very stable and reliable software that works seamlessly with the hardware. However, for some of us, the hardware we purchased in the summer didn't run very efficiently with current software, and since the software is now going to be released on an annual cycle, is the new status quo going to be that we only get roughly 3 months of stability? 10.9.3 or 10.9.4 only to come out 3 months before 10.10?
If they speed up the release cycle to an annual one for OS X, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the major kinks should be ironed out on a faster time scale too. Fixing things at the old rate is no longer as acceptable for a premium product given the new release cycles. There should be a better balance.
Uh... no, they can't.
If something new is broken in 10.8.3 (or they fail to fix something they've known about), do you really think folks are going to wait around for the next 13 rounds of betas before it's fixed?
The longer this takes, the higher the expectations and Apple is setting themselves up for a big fail if they don't meet those expectations. I'd just as soon see them whittle down the bugs bit-by-bit with more frequent updates. At least you'd get "some" of the benefits of those few things that have most likely been fixed since version 2 or 3 of the beta.
The more I think about it the more it sounds like this is the last update we'll ever get before 10.9. (Unless it's about Java
).
You are right to a degree but in this regard I would venture it is a small degree. If they had more programmers working on it they would probably develop it faster. If I clean my kitchen it takes me longer than if my whole family cleans my kitchen. I think programming is closer to cleaning a kitchen then it is to producing a baby.