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You are right to a degree but in this regard I would venture it is a small degree. If they had more programmers working on it they would probably develop it faster. If I clean my kitchen it takes me longer than if my whole family cleans my kitchen. I think programming is closer to cleaning a kitchen then it is to producing a baby.

Not really,sometimes you can have a room full of people and they're simply not able to solve a problem(or atleast solve it in a way that doesn't break anything else)
 
Last Service Packs for Windows:

NT4 got to SP6
2000 got to SP4
XP got to SP3
Vista got to SP2
7 got to SP1 but could get one more down the road

Last point updates for Mac OS X:

Tiger got to 10.4.11
Leopard got to 10.5.8
Snow Leopard got to 10.6.8
Lion got to 10.7.5

We may well be looking at the last patch for Mountain Lion, which makes me ponder the same thing as TheTissot11: Apple can't realistically sell a new OS every year when they release a buggy, junky OS that takes them over a year to fix. :mad:
 
Not really,sometimes you can have a room full of people and they're simply not able to solve a problem(or atleast solve it in a way that doesn't break anything else)

I agree, that is a possibility but less likely than one person sitting in a room not able to solve a problem.

I just think they could stand to put some more resources into Mac OS X.
 
I'll stick with SL instead of mucking around in a 2 year beta. I have 10.8.2 installed on a drive on my MP, but it's slow as molasses as it constantly tries to index all my drives.
 
It's not about Apple releasing the update sooner or later, it's about how many engineers they're putting behind OS X compared to iOS because that's what the quality and frequency of the OS X updates depends on.

And how many engineers do they really have behind OS X? That, nobody can really tell us. ;)

Funny you mention that. Usually Apple seeded IOS to devs a couple of weeks apart. Beta 6.1.3 hasn't seen any new seed since Feb. 21st.

I still think something big is coming. Hopefully with 6 or more CPU's.
 
Well we know that the new Mac Pro's coming soon. In the previous 10.8.3 betas they had some of the high end ATI & nVidia GPU drivers. I don't have a developer's account so I'd be interested to see if in these betas, the max RAM that OS X can support has perhaps increased (I think it currently clocks out at 96GB RAM, but don't quote me on that). This may be a further indication of a new Mac Pro which possibly has half a TB of RAM or something.

It's one of the reasons that could possibly be contributing to this many builds of 10.8.3. Dunno if anybody shares my sentiments, but it's not something that bothers me too much. I'd rather they took their time and did it properly. :apple:
 
So has anyone... you know... actually tried this BETA yet?:rolleyes:

Any actual interesting info to share?

Previous build was a little buggy for me, dock sometimes got stuck on start up. That seems to have fixed.

Never had a problem with startup or shutdown times so can't really comment.

Seems pretty stable though. Can't complain.
 
i'll be pissed if 10.8.3 is the last update..... this would be the less updates for this os x.

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That's it. I'm through with this. Is there any way that we could all file complaints about this on Apple's website? They would not want any angry customers, so I'm thinking that if they hear all of our complaints, they might FINALLY tell us what is going on.

:mad:

just don't buy apple anymore and you'll be happy.
 
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I am of course disappointed that 10.8.3 needs yet another beta, but I'll be happy when it is eventually released bug-free. I guess my main worry is that if Apple is having this much trouble with a point release, what will this mean for something as major as 10.9?
 
So has anyone... you know... actually tried this BETA yet?:rolleyes:
I've been using the beta since the previous one, because of that one bug which irritates me: Safari just died every half hour or so, with not even a bug report popup after it died. This has been fixed.

Any actual interesting info to share?
Beyond the above, not really :p

It's been stable for me since 10.8.2 (which is the first ML version I actually used - had Lion requirements holding me back due to client work). Only Safari crashing in 10.8.2, and stopping that once I upgraded to a beta. All the important software works, the bits of hardware I need extra drivers for is running well.

Looks like it's pure bugfix mode now, but I haven't experienced every bug people have complained about due to some of them applying to only certain Mac models, or because of the alignment of the stars ;)
 
Precisely. If Apple released this sooner, people would inevitably find some bug and complain that Apple should have taken their time.

Oh, and regarding your signature- GO BEARKATS! Just kidding... you beat us two years in a row, you have every right to be proud. :D

Haha! I never thought I'd be finding any Bearkat fans on this forum! We might win at football occasionally, but I've never eaten any food as delicious as those Texas BBQs :D
 
People who are used to windows machines and are constantly shutting down their macs when they're not in use. :p

Who cares about shutdown/reboot times? I see your point but I definitely care about it - this is unique to 10.8.2 and really painful for SSD and many Retina users users who were spoiled by short shutdown times in previous releases. My laptop is SSD and portable, thus it gets moved several times a day, has external disks attached, and gets plugged into different hardware every time. You either have to take a lot of time to deal with the hardware each time or just ask the machine to shut down....which is a lot easier if the OS is behaving itself.

HDD users probably do not notice it, since it only adds incrementally to a rather lengthy shutdown time. I'm hoping it's fixed in this release and I am not going to re-install ML until it is. That being said, Lion is "only" adequate but I'd prefer ML if this issue can be resolved. I know this release is taking a long time and many folks have other more urgent issues they want fixed and to install the release, but I think (hope) that the wait will be worth it.
 
Haha! I never thought I'd be finding any Bearkat fans on this forum! We might win at football occasionally, but I've never eaten any food as delicious as those Texas BBQs :D

Why thank you! We're kind of insane with BBQ down here, glad you liked it!

And yep, I'm the only Bearkat I know of on this forum. I also don't see many Bison outside of the FCS forum I go to, so I thought I'd give you a shoutout based on your signature. I hope y'all have another awesome season next year! (Unless and until of course, there's a round 3...)
 
Well we know that the new Mac Pro's coming soon.

New Mac Pro is coming only when Intel releases new Xeon chips — if it is coming at all, that is. Might be Tim Cook hinted at a Thunderbolt-connected box to attach to a 27" iMac for all we know.
 
Who cares about shutdown/reboot times? I see your point but I definitely care about it - this is unique to 10.8.2 and really painful for SSD and many Retina users users who were spoiled by short shutdown times in previous releases. My laptop is SSD and portable, thus it gets moved several times a day, has external disks attached, and gets plugged into different hardware every time. You either have to take a lot of time to deal with the hardware each time or just ask the machine to shut down....which is a lot easier if the OS is behaving itself.

HDD users probably do not notice it, since it only adds incrementally to a rather lengthy shutdown time. I'm hoping it's fixed in this release and I am not going to re-install ML until it is. That being said, Lion is "only" adequate but I'd prefer ML if this issue can be resolved. I know this release is taking a long time and many folks have other more urgent issues they want fixed and to install the release, but I think (hope) that the wait will be worth it.

i am sorry to ruin this for ya, but 12D78 did not fix the slow shutdown bug on my rMBP.
 
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