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OS X 10.8.4 Build 12E52 Seeded to Developers

katewes said:
Fast shutdown times encourage me to shut down when I'm not using it since it takes minimal time to start up and shutdown.

But when that process takes more time, the lazy approach is to just leave it in sleep mode, which leaves your Mac more vulnerable to data theft it is stolen while in sleep mode.

To those who lazily just put their Macs to sleep -- and, in their ignorance, BRAG about it -- educate yourself and do this google search:

mac vulnerable sleep shutdown filevault 2
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I can only upvote the above comments once but they're worth quoting again for all to see.

Also, I'm on the road a lot and people forget that "sleep" consumes battery power. Throughout the day and between stops, the difference in powering off and rebooting is about 10-15% power savings for me (vs. sleep). And of course, you can't bootcamp into windows without restarting.

Is the bug a show stopper? Certainly not. But people actually excusing and defending it is... well, it's mind-boggling. :eek:
 
chrfr said:
Generally, although 10.8.3 had such a long test period that it had many revisions with the release notes in it.
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There have been release notes with previous beta's that went beyond ten releases, such as 10.8.3, which started on November 28th last year and ended on March 14th. I have a sense this will continue through WWDC, when 10.9 is most likely announced along with new hardware. There has been some hints to new hardware that aren't available yet in these releases (I believe). :)
 
katewes said:
To those who lazily just put their Macs to sleep -- and, in their ignorance, BRAG about it -- educate yourself and do this google search:

mac vulnerable sleep shutdown filevault 2
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Those articles are a bit outdated and no longer relevant. Prior to Lion 10.7.2 one could access the PW by using direct memory access (DMA) through either Firewire or Thunderbolt. However, DMA access was blocked in 10.7.2, so the software mentioned in those articles will not work if you have an updated system.

At this point a hackers only hope is to chill the RAM and quickly swap it into a compatible machine to grab the PW from RAM. I have seen Youtube vids of this on Windows machines, but never a Mac. So I think at this point we would have to call this method "theoretical."

Of course if you have a newer machine like a Macbook Air with the RAM soldered in, this method is also off the table.
 
milo said:
Tried installing WebDriver-313.01.01f03 with pacifist. The new nvidia driver pref pane won't load, gives an error saying to reinstall. I assume it's probably not running the new drivers, is there a way to check that?

Anyone able to run these new drivers on 10.8.4?
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If you go to system preferences and open the CUDA app, you will see it lists both cuda version and nvidia driver version, and no even installing them using pacifier on 10.8.4 it wont actually use the new drivers.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
Do you use your Mac for real work, or just for startup/shutdown benchmarks?
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Yes to the former, no to the latter. I have multiple OS' on my machine that I prefer to boot natively, combined with OS X slowing down on occasion after long periods of uptime. Long shutdown times are an issue for me, especially when one of the main reasons for having an SSD is to minimise downtime (which piles up if you're often waiting 20+ seconds for you system to shutdown/restart). I should return the question; do you use your Mac for real work, or just casually as for time to not factor in as important?
 
fpsBeaTt said:
combined with OS X slowing down on occasion after long periods of uptime.
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You're a rare case then, as that is not an inherent issue of OS X.

fpsBeaTt said:
I should return the question; do you use your Mac for real work, or just casually as for time to not factor in as important?
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I think most would conclude that because shut down is mostly unnecessary, it's just not a huge issue. The only halfway decent reason to be upset I've heard so far is dual booting. However, as I don't expect dual booters to be switching OS's back and forth constantly for no reason, I still find it to be a very minor reason to get up in arms about.
 
More hype than needed with these betas.

Running Mac Air...notice no change with ANY of these betas, and the previous commercial release. Nothing really ground breaking, nothing to blow anyones mind....
 
cmChimera said:
You're a rare case then, as that is not an inherent issue of OS X.

I think most would conclude that because shut down is mostly unnecessary, it's just not a huge issue. The only halfway decent reason to be upset I've heard so far is dual booting. However, as I don't expect dual booters to be switching OS's back and forth constantly for no reason, I still find it to be a very minor reason to get up in arms about.
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What you find minor is not minor to others, especially for a premium product designed to give the smoothest and cleanest experience possible. The degree of importance you personally place on it in your specific circumstance is irrelevant; it's an issue for people using a premium product, one that's persisted and is noticeable, and needs to be corrected. End of story.
 
cmChimera said:
I think most would conclude that because shut down is mostly unnecessary, it's just not a huge issue. The only halfway decent reason to be upset I've heard so far is dual booting. However, as I don't expect dual booters to be switching OS's back and forth constantly for no reason, I still find it to be a very minor reason to get up in arms about.
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Count me out of that 'most'.

For me it rarely ever completes anyway - I suspect largely because something (Time Machine itself?) has hold of the Time Machine backup disk and it can't be dismounted. (Thats opinion not fact. You don't need facts for an opinion. In fact they tend to hinder formation of a good opinion.)

Several times have left it closing down overnight to find it next morning still showing white screen and pointer cursor.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
Yes to the former, no to the latter. I have multiple OS' on my machine that I prefer to boot natively, combined with OS X slowing down on occasion after long periods of uptime. Long shutdown times are an issue for me, especially when one of the main reasons for having an SSD is to minimise downtime (which piles up if you're often waiting 20+ seconds for you system to shutdown/restart). I should return the question; do you use your Mac for real work, or just casually as for time to not factor in as important?
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So, you reboot into other operating systems regularly and you have long periods of uptime as well.

Now I'm confused. How does that work?
 
Holy balls!

Please tell me this is getting better! This is the worst I've ever seen!
 

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MacsRgr8 said:
What is WebProcess?
I can't find that in my Activity Monitor:
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Safari Web Content for you.

My process SafariForWebKitDevelopment Web Content is already at ~1.8GB despite being started about twenty minutes ago. This isn't a good sign.
 
thomaskc said:
If you go to system preferences and open the CUDA app, you will see it lists both cuda version and nvidia driver version, and no even installing them using pacifier on 10.8.4 it wont actually use the new drivers.
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Thanks. When I installed from Pacifier, it looks like it wasn't using any video drivers at all. I pulled out the new drivers manually, had to reinstall the latest 10.8.4, now at least it's back to the ones that come with the beta.

I'd still like to try the newest from nvidia, although at this point it might be after 10.8.4 goes public and nvidia ships another update.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Tnx!
Mine is running about 30 mins and it's at c.a. 200 MB of real mem.

Does "Reset Safari" help?
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I did the whole "clear cache" thing and.... already bad up to 1.5GB.

>_>;

HTML5 is super efficient, can't you tell?

Edit: Because it seems to leap when I'm loading HTML5 video, and doesn't go down quickly afterward.
 
milo said:
Thanks. When I installed from Pacifier, it looks like it wasn't using any video drivers at all. I pulled out the new drivers manually, had to reinstall the latest 10.8.4, now at least it's back to the ones that come with the beta.

I'd still like to try the newest from nvidia, although at this point it might be after 10.8.4 goes public and nvidia ships another update.
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Didnt have that problem at all, basically nothing changed for me when I installed them.
 
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