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OS X 10.8.4 Build 12E52 Seeded to Developers
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It doesn't matter much either way, the point is it seems like there's no way to run the new nvidia drivers with this latest beta.
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Granted, now that the NVIDIA driver installs side-by-side with the stock Apple driver there's less chance you'll prevent your system from booting, but the basic point still stands.
Go back to 10.8.3 then? The NVIDIA drivers will work fine on that OS release (12D78).
I also don't understand what the issue is, really - I can't even remember the last time I shut down my Mac apart from when I was leaving for long holidays...and no, it doesn't take longer than some 5-10 seconds.
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Not to mention that you're talking about someone having PHYSICAL access to your computer...in other words, this would never happen unless someone actually broke into your house.
No but "long periods of uptime" implies days or even weeks between reboots to most people.
Just saying...
I suppose our impressions of Macs and their selling points were far different then. I did not make a purchase because the device shuts down quickly. I bought my machine for the numerous other features it provides. I also don't buy the whole "I bought a premium product" argument. You bought a computer. It has bugs. Apple fixes them at their discretion based on importance and ability.
Ok.
But for some of us, we bought our machines working a certain way, then Apple took something away (quick reboots/shut downs).
We aren't bitching about feature changes like merging iOS with OSX - those are by design and are inherently going to happen. We're talking about a blatant, easily replicable and totally ignored "oversight" in the code.
Granted, it's been many years since I've developed or coded but I do know this... if you can repeat a bug every time and have system logs that easily pinpoint where the problem is, you simply squash it - and don't ignore it. Perhaps coding ethics have changed but I could never work this way.
Sleep mode is more likely to be used on notebooks than on desktops for the simple fact that people are on the move and it is much faster to sleep/wake the machine than it it is to boot/shutdown. It is less useful on desktops than on notebooks because they can run the entire day since they are not going to go anywhere.
Filevault 2 isn't as bad as you think it is. There are some problems because with things like whole disk encryption the decryption key is usually stored temporarily in memory. You'd need direct access to it to be able to retrieve it. There are various mechanisms that actually prevent this from happening. The machine turned off is only a tad bit better. However, there are many other ways of getting the data even with something like Filevault 2 turned on and the machine turned off. If your password isn't very strong than brute forcing it is easy.
Also, the question remains if you actually should secure your Mac this way. A thief is more likely to use the machine if there is little security that prevents him from doing so. That gives you a much higher chance of retrieving your Mac. If you want to secure certain pieces of data than you could opt for something like secured dmg or TrueCrypt (of course with a proper password or even passphrase).
As do people who are pointing out a security problem. There are many ways of getting into a machine and to the data you want. I do agree that shutting down a machine has definitely got its benefits (just to name something: when the machine is properly off it doesn't use power which shaves off a little bit of the electric bill). However, "fast" is very subjective which is what people here need to understand. The way it works now is fast enough for me. What I dislike is how much time it needs to boot and login when using the "reopen all windows" option. Also, the 10s delay when waking my MBA is a bit annoying at times (luckily you can influence this at the cost of a more power hungry machine when in sleepmode).
Practice what you preach. If you actually search and read you'd have learned that you are exaggerating. If we are talking about security risks than there are many more, even when the machine is completely shutdown.
This shows how little understanding you have about this issue. They have already addressed it and it's all they can do. This "issue" is something that can not be fixed.
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But perhaps we are. After all, how often do you reboot your iPhone or iPad? I'd say rarely to never in my case, and the slow shutdowns are irrelevant there. So perhaps Apple's new approach is we should use our comps as we do our mobiles?? (I say this facetiously)
I did't buy a machine for its shut down time either. With apologies to both manufacturers, I paid for a Rolls Royce, I was delivered a Tuk-Tuk. The bugs that prevent/slow shut down were delivered as part of Mountain Lion. My gripe is the rubbish in that version of OSX that causes me to have to shut down many times a day, which has been the case and not fixed since the first release of said software. More - Crab-Apple than Apple - that is, totally unpalatable.
Well, if you're saying Apple is trying to "force" people into sleeping their OSX machines I'd ask why? Macs have a much greater power draw and they are certainly not iPhones or iPads. Besides, if this were truly Apple's intent, the Power Button would behave just like an iOS device and it doesn't.
Nope. Apple screwed up and more importantly, they don't care. It's really that simple. But to your point, Shutting down Windows 8 takes a whole freaking lot of mouse clicks.
Understood.
1.) Move mouse to corner - expose charm
2.) Click on "gear"
3.) Click on "power"
4.) Click on Shutdown.
I count "4" unique mouse movements.
1.) Move mouse to corner - expose charm
2.) Click on "gear"
3.) Click on "power"
4.) Click on Shutdown.
I count "4" unique mouse movements.
Isn't that the same exact amount as osx?
1) Move mouse to corner
2) Click on Apple
3) Click on Shutdown
4) Click on Confirm
If there was a default way to shut down in two mouse clicks from anywhere there'd probably be a whole lot of cases of people randomly shutting down their computers.
Why updates past 10.8.1 suck!
My biggest gripe with updates following 10.8.1 is removal of ability to keep the MBP's internal display turned off while keep the lid open in clamshell mode.
In 10.8.1, you just had to enter "sudo nvram boot-args=iog=0x0" command in terminal to restore the screen behavior to what we had in 10.6. But Apple decided to **** it up in 10.8.2 and further releases and now it'll most likely never be fixed.
Thanks Apple!
My biggest gripe with updates following 10.8.1 is removal of ability to keep the MBP's internal display turned off while keep the lid open in clamshell mode.
In 10.8.1, you just had to enter "sudo nvram boot-args=iog=0x0" command in terminal to restore the screen behavior to what we had in 10.6. But Apple decided to **** it up in 10.8.2 and further releases and now it'll most likely never be fixed.
Thanks Apple!
Sorry, I should have said 3 clicks, but it certainly isn't a 'whole freaking lot of mouse clicks' as you stated before.
1.) Move mouse to corner - expose charm
2.) Click on "gear"
3.) Click on "power"
4.) Click on Shutdown.
I count "4" unique mouse movements.
Same as OS X, in fact.
