Because we masturbate to watching our macbooks restart.
Why the hell do people keep asking this? It's a bug and it should be fixed that's all.
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Because we masturbate to watching our macbooks restart.
Why the hell do people keep asking this? It's a bug and it should be fixed that's all.
Why ask why?
Why?
Yup, and no.
Great, happy for you. Glad it works for you, for the rest of us, not so much.
You already answered your own question. Many people use Bootcamp-Windows to game (as OS X is much slower with games and doesn't have all of the games) and some people use professional software that requires full access to hardware that is slow to use via virtualization (which means they reboot daily during work week).
Why ask why ask why?
To begin with, finally we got a stable Finder. I was uploading 3-4 Finder crash reports every week to Apple during Leopard and SL and they kept replying to me with the same old "this is a known bug" for almost 3 years until it was finally fixed in Lion. And I don't think I had a single Finder crash since I installed ML. Big file transfers between AFP connected computers were completely unreliable, so I was always using cd to copy things over 10GB since Finder could crash at any time and waste 20 minutes of copy process.
Safari finally got actual smooth scrolling in ML, now I can read without fatigue during slow scrolling.
iCloud finally made sense in ML, I keep all my text edit files on cloud now and gone are the days I have to copy everything I typed on my laptop to my Mac Pro when I got home that day. Now the only thing I need is to have that ability on TexShop. Then I won't worry about syncing work and home ever again.
XCode got changed so we finally have an up to date compiler for default on OS X. It was a pain in the ass for me to install up to date versions of gcc on Leopard or SL because XCode came with a 3 year old version. Now we are using the latest version of LLVM all the time due to frequent LLVM updates in XCode.
QuickLook got much much better in ML especially, now we can open pictures in Preview after taking a look at QL. That really speeded up my process of checking my photos with QuickLook. Before, every time I chose a photo to look in detail, I'd have to memorise the name and then go back and search for it in the folder and then open it. Now I can actually use QuickLook for a quick browse.
And this is only the stuff I can think of in 10 minutes. I'm not even mentioning all the component updates we got during the last 3 years, like OpenGL 3 support. I don't play many games but World Of Warcraft finally got updated this year for OpenGL 3 and runs better on Lion/ML. The 64 bit kernel got standard and all libraries got updated for it so using X11 ports became less of pain in the ass. There were way too many issues when SL first got released, many ports didn't work and took long to iron out the issues to compile. I know this is not Apple's doing, but still. Anyway...
Or it works for the rest of us and not for you.
Then tell me, why are there still many on SL, why after stop selling SL Apple decided to get it back, why do so many people prefer SL.
I never had SL, could not upgrade from PPC back then but it was similar to Leopard and probably the best/better OS.
I have an old PB on Leopard and a 2012 Mini, had to get used to ML, like it better than before but if I had the choice to go to SL I would go back.
Plenty of unnecessary eye candy in ML, still plenty of bugs although it is getting better.
Plenty of dumbing down the OS and some of them do not even work that well, TM for instance, not needed when there is CCC or the build in command line tools, yes the latter is geeky but CCC not so much.
iTunes, Appstore are slow as molasses, they sometimes don't even recover from slow or internet dropouts, really not that nice if you are on a capped internet connection.
Plenty of reasons I think ML still has too many problems, they won't get resolved like so many bugs in Lion, Apple will just release the next (unstable) OS without even addressing most of the bugs in the former OS.
Do you know something about the adoption rate we don't know about? This is true for every OS X release, not everyone upgrades. There were tons of Leopard users during SL as well especially since SL didn't offer many end-user oriented features over Leopard.
Same is true for SL. It had more unnecessary eyecandy compared to Leopard/Tiger imho. Get used to it. Every new OS release will have more eyecandy to tax the computer GPU more.
There's no such thing.
Nothing to do with the OS version.
True, but was true for every OS release as well. Too many SL bugs still persist. Hell too many Tiger bugs still persist.
There are (plenty) of threads here about people going back to SL
Yes there is, I prefer it doing the way I want instead of doing it the way Apple thinks is best for you.
This of course again is personal.
Well not with the version but they do come with the OS.
Like there were plenty threads about People going back to "insert old OS version"?
I ask again, do you know the adoption rate? If you have numbers, post them. Also you need to remember that OS X userbase is constantly growing. It tripled between 2007 and 2009. So more and more people are using OS X so more and more people will be complaining and posting on forums every time they don't like something. The number of "I'm going back" posts is only indicative if you take into account the growth.
So don't use an Apple OS then. It's not like it's the first time Apple is deciding to change/remove certain things in OS X. It was always like this. Apple's way or the highway. OS X never offered enough customisation. I hate it as well but that's the way it has always been and nothing specific to Lion or ML. I also miss the old Expose.
iTunes comes with SL as well. App Store also with the latest update of SL.
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What about this one:
http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_version.php?1=1&timeframe=last_6&interval=month&chart_id=4&fltr_br=&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=&limit%5B%5D=mac
Why, I am not saying it is a bad OS, I just point out things, nothing more, nothing less.
You are having a laarf aren't you?
yep I can scroll Safari Version 6.0.4 (8536.29.13) in ML (10.8.3) really quickly and smoothly, except most of the time its initially scrolling over whitespace as it hasn't rendered that part of the page yet.
No, its not the rig, network etc as I also run Safari 5.1.7 (7534.57.2) in Vista on a VM on the same kit and don't have any such issues at all.
This tells me still 1/3 of mac users use SL. Nothing surprising here. There were more Leopard users a year after SL's release as well.
The problem is that the things that annoy you aren't specific to ML.
35% is quite remarkable for a 4 year old OS, but again that is my opinion.
As I told you before, I never had so many problems before, maybe I am lucky, but maybe I am not alone.
Oh, and I am not that easily annoyed.
(It does not annoy me, just remarks)Considering Windows XP (12 years old) still is the dominant Windows OS, I don't know. And I also don't know if those numbers are accurate. http://www.netmarketshare.com/?source=NASite shows that 10.8 has 1.5 times more marketshare than 10.6 which conflicts your data. But even that site shows 10.6 has a 28% marketshare. But none of this is surprising. Old OS's continue to get used.
As I told you before, I never had so many problems before, maybe I am lucky, but maybe I am not alone.
Oh, and I am not that easily annoyed.
I had the most problems with 10.0. As did everyone probably. You are lucky you weren't around back then I suppose.
Actually I was about to edit my last post to, If those numbers are true I really think it is high, ML-only 28% after 1 year, just a few more % than Lion, and still fairly far behind SL.
Edit: Don't get your link.
I was there, started on Classic and got the 10.0b when it was released, have used all of them except 10.6 and 10.7, just because the G3 Pismo and later on the PB G4 were going strong, still use the last one daily.
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You are having a laarf aren't you?
yep I can scroll Safari Version 6.0.4 (8536.29.13) in ML (10.8.3) really quickly and smoothly, except most of the time its initially scrolling over whitespace as it hasn't rendered that part of the page yet.
Before Safari wouldn't show you what it didn't render, now it shows you a blank page until it renders. It's a change in behaviour only. Not an actual issue.
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Ah sorry
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
This is the actual link. ML has 44% share and Lion/SL have 28%.
Well then you cannot say you have more issues with 10.8 than you had with 10.0.
10.0 was a mess. 10.1 as well.Not completely true here...and whether its an issue or not is just opinion.
Agree behaviour has changed, 5 appears to render the text first and then the graphics, so you can at least start reading the page whilst waiting for the accompanying fluff to appear.
Behaviour 6.0.4
Yes is completely blank initially, then appears to be:
- Completely render horizontal slice of page (typically what it thinks is on display)
- Render rest of page
So quite easy to create nonsense display by:
- Navigate to page
- Start scrolling to where you think relevant content may be
- Have part rendered
- Scroll up and down and see white-space above and below
- Page is now useless for a while
This may be exactly what the developer intended it to do. In my opinion, not useful - issue.
Also, for me, 5 almost invariably renders the full page more quickly than 6; and remember 5 is running on a VM.
lol. Lets see how long the Snow Leopard lovers can cling on to their oh so beloved and bug free OS that's full of unicorns.
Soon you'll stop receiving security updates, then software will stop been supported for your OS, then hardware will promptly follow suit.
I guess Windows 8 or 9 will be in your futures soon.
Soon you'll stop receiving security updates, then software will stop been supported for your OS, then hardware will promptly follow suit.
I guess Windows 8 or 9 will be in your futures soon.
ML 40.5%
SL ~26%
L ~25.5%
In the end which site is more accurate????
Well then you cannot say you have more issues with 10.8 than you had with 10.0.
Nitpicking
, both you and I know they weren't good and that we talk about min. Leopard and SL.
What are the pro's of SL compared to ML? SL worked fine, ML works faster, just more bugs. If Apple would fix the bugs, I don't see why anyone would stay on SL. Am I missing something? (probably you gonna answer "Yes, ......")
Our company hosts many heavily-used websites for which we run Google Analytics. In the last month, the breakdown of Macintosh OS usage is as follows:
Lion 36.2%
Mountain Lion 31.2%
Snow Leopard 25.9%
Over the past 3 months, Lion usage has dropped a little, Mountain Lion has increased by four percentage points. Snow Leopard has increased by about half a percentage point.
Well in that case, I don't have this problem as both my machines restart within 10 or so seconds
Are you suggesting That the lack of those particular extensions explain the performance difference?
No, I would say that he is arguing the case that since Apple isn't spending the time to provide said extension functionality for HD 3000 hardware then it is highly likely that they're not going to spend the time and money on optimising the existing code already either. It is important to realise that issues with OpenGL I would say half have more to do with the design of OpenGL (for reasons only known to Apple) than necessarily the drivers with the other half have to do with developers unfamiliar with how to get the most performance for the game when using the OpenGL implementation provided by Apple. I've seen games that have resulted in performance improves, such as Civilisation V, over several releases because it has required the vendor to put some time and effort into ensuring that they're doing things in the most efficient way possible. For years games developers have had no qualm spending such time when developing for DirectX so I don't see why it should be any different when it comes to vendors optimising their code for OS X.
The biggest reason to stick with 10.6.8 and not upgrade is performance. Some nice things in .7 and .8 but personally I don't find enough to outweigh the down sides and recommend upgrading. It used to be that major updates were a no brainer, I don't think there was ever an OSX update where people recommended against upgrading to the degree that happened with 10.6.8 and the versions after it.
For machines that can't run 10.8, I'd recommend staying with 10.6.8 indefinitely.
"More bugs" seems to answer your own question. And ML isn't faster for many users (it is faster than 10.7 at least).