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OS X Lion Allows Running Multiple Copies on the Same Machine (Virtualization)
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For the average user yeah virtualization has no use but if you run a server or software dev it is a great tool being able to sandbox things or to provide different test beds for things. Having to restart one of the server does not force you to restart the entire computer or server. That and you can only mess up the virtualized OS.
My only guess is if you go beyond 2 you really should be buying more licenses. I think even MS limits you to a certain number as well.
Also remember Apple is killing off its server grade stuff and since it does not have any server grade hardware there is no real need to go beyond 2.
Just installed Lion GM and the few bugs that were there in DP4 w/ Update 1 seem to be gone. Also, the instructional videos for the gestures are now present and the login has been modified slightly to where you have to perform a gesture to get to the "Start Using Lion" button. One change in the dock is that Mission Control's icon was put to the left of Launchpad. A purely cosmetic change that I'm not sure I like as my dock is filled with enough apps that I launch from the dock. For Mission Control, I have to set to use four fingers up, which by the way, now works! This was one bug that survived DP3's Updates 1 and 2, DP4 and the one update to DP4 that was released. Finally, that is also fixed as part of the GM version.
After installing the GM, there is a ThunderBolt fix that shows up in Software Update, which requires a restart. iTunes 10.5 is NOT part of Lion GM and neither is iCloud, which will remain betas beyond Lion's final release, as that has more to do with iOS 5 than OS X Lion.
The Evernote client for OS X (2.2.2 beta 1) kept crashing in DP4 w/update but now it works great in the GM release.
My 2 cents as I'm coming up on one full month of using Lion exclusively. ;-)
After installing the GM, there is a ThunderBolt fix that shows up in Software Update, which requires a restart. iTunes 10.5 is NOT part of Lion GM and neither is iCloud, which will remain betas beyond Lion's final release, as that has more to do with iOS 5 than OS X Lion.
The Evernote client for OS X (2.2.2 beta 1) kept crashing in DP4 w/update but now it works great in the GM release.
My 2 cents as I'm coming up on one full month of using Lion exclusively. ;-)
Not applicable to me as its a home computer. Hope ones can uninstall this to reduce space usage.
You *really* don't understand what's being discussed here, do you?
Are the 'virtual' instances running in parallel, or is it a series (in a box)?
In other words, is one instance going to be slower?
It would be great to just be able to 'switch' logins, so that there's no performance degradation. But i'm not sure that's even possible (probably not)
I imagine it's just like VMware, except with OS X exclusively, which would be useful for testing stuff, but that's about it.
In other words, is one instance going to be slower?
It would be great to just be able to 'switch' logins, so that there's no performance degradation. But i'm not sure that's even possible (probably not)
I imagine it's just like VMware, except with OS X exclusively, which would be useful for testing stuff, but that's about it.
We use to use Media Shout, but because of lockup problems all of the time with some moving backgrounds and videos, we switched to ProPresenter and the Mac platform. Ever since, everyone at the church wants a Mac.
I am completely aware of what is being discussed.
Used VMWare Fusion, Parallells, etc for many OS's. I believe you might have misread my comments.
I tried it but I keep on getting "Waiting for boot device"
I think its similar to the problem I had before
edit: I have to try this below and see if it will fix it
http://www.obviouslogic.com:8080/solutions/lion-vmware
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They all run at the same time. Virtualization performance is great. Even on my MB Air Fusion runs Win7 at a decent speed with 2GB of ram dedicated.
On slightly larger equipment I can run 2-3 VM's of Server 2008 R2 and the host OS and performance remains decent and thats on a dual dual core 2.0ghz Xeon 2 gens old.
When we do a lot with remote desktop the server that the actual clients log into is a VM on a host box. Have a hundred people using virtual remote terminal sessions on a VM and you'd never know.
Performance is mostly effected by disk speed, the faster the disk the better the performance is, which probably explains why its so decent on the Air even with the low CPU speed.
Supporting more VT features in the CPU helps too, I think there are 4-5 core features but for most users only a couple really matter unless your getting into larger enterprise installations where your trying to squeeze out every last bit.
even if you could, you probably wouldn't want to
In one case you can - you can run a VMware ESX hypervisor in a virtual machine. I don't know if tricking other VM monitors with config editing would work, but it could as long as the VMM does not require hardware VT acceleration.
But, because of the last point, nesting VMs would result in much poorer performance because the nested VMs would not be able to use the hardware VT acceleration. Much more emulation would be required.
Running ESX as a VM is a handy development tool for testing ESX environments. It is not a reasonable deployment environment, however.
In one case you can - you can run a VMware ESX hypervisor in a virtual machine. I don't know if tricking other VM monitors with config editing would work, but it could as long as the VMM does not require hardware VT acceleration.
But, because of the last point, nesting VMs would result in much poorer performance because the nested VMs would not be able to use the hardware VT acceleration. Much more emulation would be required.
Running ESX as a VM is a handy development tool for testing ESX environments. It is not a reasonable deployment environment, however.
So then you can run Classic. And run a virtual OS (OS 9) on your virtual OS (10.4) on your actual OS (10.7).What's that suppose to mean?...That I can run Tiger on my Mac 2010?
Or just get sheepshaver. But yeah but not as cool as OS9 in OS10.4 in OS10.7.
I too want EasyWorship for Mac. I sent them an email andy they replied:
We want to release a Mac version as soon as possible. However, it looks
like it may be fall before we see a beta released.
You can periodic updates on the progress by sending an email to
notifyme@easyworship.com
I agree, but I'll be surprised if Apple allows this. Then it would allow people with what Steve Jobs would call "junk hardware" to run Apple's precious OS. Buy a $30 copy of the OS, load it up in VMware for Windows on a cheapie $300 laptop, and instant Macbook, without many of the hardware and driver problems that hackintoshes normally involve.
So it seems to me that there is a total of three physical machines and/or virtual machines that you can license to. This is great if you use, say:
1 part of the license for updating your current machine
1 part of the license for running a possible virtual machine like described in posts above
1 part of the license as a reserve, for upgrading. Say you bought a used Mac on eBay, but apparently it came with Snow Leopard and the original buyer never upgraded. Instead of complaining how this was not part of the "unwritten" contract, how it's not what you expected etc... You can now save yourself all the hassle and just upgrade. No big deal now.
Nowhere on the EULA* it says you have to use it on your current Mac, as Macrumors implies.
This last option isn't posted anywhere. Why come no-one thought of this in this thread?
Because you didn't read the license terms properly. For non-commercial use, you can install and run _any_ software from the MAS on all the Macs that you own and control anyway, including Lion. In addition, Apple allows you to install two additional copies of Lion on _each_ Mac that you own and control.
Two additional copies on each _Macintosh_ that you own.
Virtualization is not emulation. Tiger virtualized would be x86 Tiger, which didn't support Classic. So your scenario is impossible with virtualization in this case.
And no, this is a change to Lion's EULA, not older OSes' EULAs. So you can't virtualize Tiger, Leopard or Snow Leopard if I'm reading the article correctly, only Lion.
Correct - Classic is 100% dependent on the PPC architecture if I remember right.
That is also correct. Apple would have to alter the EULAs of what essentially two discontinued products and one product (x86 Tiger) that was only released OEM with Intel Macs.
Apple has been known to change terms on older products, I believe, so it's still not impossible.
Like many others here, the dropping of Rosetta is a critical issue for me. To upgrade all of the software that I have that requires Rosetta to run (or at least that software for which upgrades exist) would cost me close to $2,000. That's a pretty high price to pay for upgrading an operating system. And given that none of my software has any issues with running right now, I have no other motivation to pay the upgrade cost. Now, if I could sandbox those apps that need Rosetta into a virtual machine, that would make the Lion upgrade much more plausible.
Here's hoping that this is the route that Apple is taking...
Just because it's not interesting to you doesn't mean it's interesting to no one
Actually it was very interesting to me, i didn't know such a thing existed.