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OS X Lion Allows Running Multiple Copies on the Same Machine (Virtualization)
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I am not sure. The license for Snow Leopard for example seems to say that you can install and use _one_ copy of Snow Leopard on _one_ Apple-branded computer. There is no mention of virtual machines. Running Snow Leopard plus a copy in a VM would be against the license, but having only one copy installed on a Macintosh and running it in a VM doesn't seem to be against the license.
The money people piss away into the collection plate has to be used for something besides luxury cars for the priest/minister/chaplain/conartist/whatever, right?
Apple makes their money in hardware. The Johnny-come-lately iDevice sackriders weren't around for the last time Apple tried to license the OS… it wasn't pretty.
Here is one source; http://osxdaily.com/2011/06/06/mac-os-x-lion-galaxy-andromeda-space-wallpaper/
I'm sure you could find even more impressive images when looking for images frome the Hubble space telescope.
Interesting... So, if we were running Lion as the main OS, then running Snow Leopard in a VM wouldn't be violating the license? Again, interesting, if true...
Also has anyone gotten the
http://9to5mac.com/2011/02/27/10-7-lion-allows-multi-user-remote-computing/
http://www.joostteam.com/2011/05/16/lion-preview-3-no-more-multi-user-screen-sharing/
To work in GM?
http://9to5mac.com/2011/02/27/10-7-lion-allows-multi-user-remote-computing/
http://www.joostteam.com/2011/05/16/lion-preview-3-no-more-multi-user-screen-sharing/
To work in GM?
Interesting? I wouldn't care if God killed a kitten every time if I could run SL inside Lion! Bring it on! I can keep my printer and Rosetta and my legacy apps!
But How?!?!
I've done a clean install with the new GM Build and it appears the last few bugs were worked out from Dev Prev 4. This idea of virtualizing is interesting but I couldn't get it to work. Has anyone figured out how or are we just waiting on Parallels and VM Ware to issue updates to their software?
I've done a clean install with the new GM Build and it appears the last few bugs were worked out from Dev Prev 4. This idea of virtualizing is interesting but I couldn't get it to work. Has anyone figured out how or are we just waiting on Parallels and VM Ware to issue updates to their software?
XenClient?
I think this might be opening the door for legal XenClient.. If that's the case - this is fantastic news. Just bought my first mac the other day and while most tings have been fantastic - dealing with built in php / mysql has been a bear for setting up my environment. If i could just run that off a linux box in parallel I could get back to work!
I think this might be opening the door for legal XenClient.. If that's the case - this is fantastic news. Just bought my first mac the other day and while most tings have been fantastic - dealing with built in php / mysql has been a bear for setting up my environment. If i could just run that off a linux box in parallel I could get back to work!
Come on guys, explain me that in a smooth way...I tried to run Tiger via VMaware here in my GM but it did not work. Am I getting it right? Is it really possible to run Tiger ( for instance ) on Lion GM through some virtualization application like VMaware or Parallels?...Forgive me if I'm being that stupid...
Come on guys, explain me that in a smooth way...I tried to run Tiger via VMaware here in my GM but it did not work. Am I getting it right? Is it really possible to run Tiger ( for instance ) on Lion GM through some virtualization application like VMaware or Parallels?...Forgive me if I'm being that stupid...
No, Tiger, Leopard or Snow Leopard's EULA doesn't allow you to virtualize them at all. Only Lion can be virtualized on top of Macs.
Come on guys, explain me that in a smooth way...I tried to run Tiger via VMaware here in my GM but it did not work. Am I getting it right? Is it really possible to run Tiger ( for instance ) on Lion GM through some virtualization application like VMaware or Parallels?...Forgive me if I'm being that stupid...
Previous OS X versions are not allowed under virtual machines by Apple. Some of us, like you, are wanting to install previous Mac OS versions in a virtual machine, but it is still not clear if Apple will allow it. The main reason is to be able to run Leopard or Snow Leopard and run Rosetta for PowerPC Apps.
True. For example: start Windows from a Boot Camp physical partition, use Snow Leopard in a virtual machine.
If through the App Store you purchase the low cost upgrade from Snow Leopard to 10.7, then (at this time) it may be safest to assume that you do not explicitly have the right to continue using the one Snow Leopard, which you upgraded, at the same time as 10.7. Assume that to use both systems at the same time, you should have for Snow Leopard a separate license that is not upgraded.
Please see preceding pages, in particular post 88 and please, read the license in its entirety after publication by Apple.
Current exceptions to that statement include Mac OS X Server.
it's emulation, just not full ISA emulation
By the definition of the English word - it certainly is. The guest OS sees an emulated system that is not the same as the physical system (my VM has a graphics "card", but it doesn't see it as the Quadro that's actually in the box - the VM has a CPU that doesn't have VT-x support, even though the hardware has VT-x, ....).
Apple users often think that "emulation" only means "full instruction set architecture (ISA) emulation" such as was the case for Windows on Virtual PC on PowerPC Macs. The term can be applied to any case where the software sees something that isn't physically there.
Even with hardware accelerated virtualization, some instructions have to be emulated. Kernel code that accesses the hardware directly must be trapped and emulated. Hardware accelerated virtualization speeds these traps (and eliminates some by hardware emulation or sandboxing of the instruction) - but instruction emulation is occuring.
It's a semantic distinction - if you mean full ISA emulation, say so. If you claim that x64 virtualization on x64 does not involve emulation, you're on shaky ground.
By the definition of the English word - it certainly is. The guest OS sees an emulated system that is not the same as the physical system (my VM has a graphics "card", but it doesn't see it as the Quadro that's actually in the box - the VM has a CPU that doesn't have VT-x support, even though the hardware has VT-x, ....).
Apple users often think that "emulation" only means "full instruction set architecture (ISA) emulation" such as was the case for Windows on Virtual PC on PowerPC Macs. The term can be applied to any case where the software sees something that isn't physically there.
Even with hardware accelerated virtualization, some instructions have to be emulated. Kernel code that accesses the hardware directly must be trapped and emulated. Hardware accelerated virtualization speeds these traps (and eliminates some by hardware emulation or sandboxing of the instruction) - but instruction emulation is occuring.
It's a semantic distinction - if you mean full ISA emulation, say so. If you claim that x64 virtualization on x64 does not involve emulation, you're on shaky ground.
The guys at Hardmac.com were able to install Snow Leopard on virtualbox. So this looks promising:
http://feeds.hardmac.com/~r/hardmac/~3/K2t8Y2Jx-EA/a-snow-leopard-vm-on-mac-os-lion
http://feeds.hardmac.com/~r/hardmac/~3/K2t8Y2Jx-EA/a-snow-leopard-vm-on-mac-os-lion
I have Snow Leopard Client working stable in both VirtualBox and VMware Fusion on a Mac Pro and an iMac both running Lion GM. It works like a charm
I have Snow Leopard Client working stable in both VirtualBox and VMware Fusion on a Mac Pro and an iMac both running Lion GM. It works like a charm
Can you please explain how you were able to do so using VMware Fusion on a Mac Pro? Everyone I've discussed this and several posts online seem to indicate that the current version of VMware Fusion needs to be updated for Snow Leopard to work.
Excellent info. Just tried this. Works like a charm.
I hope we can get the reverse done as well. Run OSX Lion client in VMware on a MacPro running Snow Leopard.
How to Install in Virtualbox
How did you get Snow Leopard (non-server version) installed in Virtualbox?
I have Snow Leopard Client working stable in both VirtualBox and VMware Fusion on a Mac Pro and an iMac both running Lion GM. It works like a charm
How did you get Snow Leopard (non-server version) installed in Virtualbox?
It is very easy. Create a new machine in Virtual Box, tell Virtual Box that it is going to be an OS X Leopard (Snow) Server (either 32 or 64 bits) machine but use a Leopard (Snow) Client DVD or disk image (dmg or iso) to install.
No hacking required, except that you might want to change the resolution to something bigger than the standard choosen 1024x768. You will find instructions to do this in the online Virtual Box Manual:
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#efividmode Look for "Video modes in EFI".
Virtual Box allows a lot more than VMware and Parellels