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Hi Everyone,

A Newbie to the site here, but long time Mac user.

Apple is telling me to move from MobileMe to iCloud. I can't move to iCloud unless I'm running Lion. I have lot's of expensive 3D animation and Video Production software that runs perfectly right now. What is likely to happen if I load Lion now?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Brian
 
I don't think iCloud is anything special, honestly (edit: to be clear, once it's all working and implemented properly it will be useful but it's fairly buggy and doesn't do much yet in 10.7...and that's unlikely to get changed before 10.8). If you have computers you're trying to get real work done I'd stick with 10.6 and skip to 10.8 when it's ready.
 
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briang61 said:
Hi Everyone,

A Newbie to the site here, but long time Mac user.

Apple is telling me to move from MobileMe to iCloud. I can't move to iCloud unless I'm running Lion. I have lot's of expensive 3D animation and Video Production software that runs perfectly right now. What is likely to happen if I load Lion now?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Brian[/

Hard to say without having more detailed information about your hardware and software.

Can you clone your present system disk onto a different hard drive, install Lion onto that hard drive and test Lion by booting from that new hard drive?
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Yebubbleman said:
That release date chart you've put there is wrong past 10.2 as from that point on, you are posting announcement dates, not release dates. That being said, even with Mountain Lion on the horizon, Lion is still the most recent release of the OS until Mountain Lion comes out to officially succeed it.
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I think you missed the point. Even if the dates are wrong, the year of release is correct. The point was that Apple used to release a new OS update every year, and usually showed it off at MacWorld Expo, and then they went off that schedule and went to about every two years. I bought all those updates, and still have the discs, so I know it was every year for the longest time.

So everything i said in that post is valid. Even if the months of release are not accurate. What was your point?
 
Hardtimes said:
Girlfriends running lion on her 2006 iMac with 3gb ram. Runs perfectly.

However she isn't allergic to change.
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not even pennies? :D

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Dc2006ster said:
briang61 said:
Hi Everyone,

A Newbie to the site here, but long time Mac user.

Apple is telling me to move from MobileMe to iCloud. I can't move to iCloud unless I'm running Lion. I have lot's of expensive 3D animation and Video Production software that runs perfectly right now. What is likely to happen if I load Lion now?

Can you clone your present system disk onto a different hard drive, install Lion onto that hard drive and test Lion by booting from that new hard drive?
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Yes. That is exactly the process I used to try it out.

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polaris20 said:
I am not "defending" Lion, but of the 25% of my company running Macs, over half are on Lion, and no one has any problems with it. Of those that were upgrades, no one wants to go back to SL.

Perhaps not a scientific study, and surely anecdotal. But I don't think it's a bad OS at all. I think the vocal minority posting about it on the Internet is just that; a minority.
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I have it installed but I do have a problem with it... no Rosetta

I have a second boot disk with SL on it.... I do use it less now than I did to be honest, but it is still an annoyance.
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DavidRavenMoon said:
I think you missed the point. Even if the dates are wrong, the year of release is correct. The point was that Apple used to release a new OS update every year, and usually showed it off at MacWorld Expo, and then they went off that schedule and went to about every two years. I bought all those updates, and still have the discs, so I know it was every year for the longest time.

So everything i said in that post is valid. Even if the months of release are not accurate. What was your point?
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No, the year of release is also wrong. Your point has to do with the time elapsing in between releases which you got wrong here. I also bought and installed the OS every day from day 1 dating all the way back to Panther. Apple only had their OS release annually at the beginning, following Panther, it slowed down a bit to once every almost two years. Go to Wikipedia if you don't believe me.
 
Yebubbleman said:
Go to Wikipedia if you don't believe me.
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Um, where do you think I got that time line? I copy and pasted it from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9#Version_history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_OS_X

Plus if you can read, go back and read what I wrote in earlier posts. You are now repeating what I said earlier. They had annual OS updates until Panther. They also said they were not going to announce the releases at Mac World Expo.

Let's start at System 7. I personally started with 7.1.2.

7.0 June 1991
7.0.1 October 1991
7.0.1P March 1992
7.1 August 1992
7.1P January 1993
7.1.1 (Pro) October 1993
7.1.1 October 1993
7.1.2 March 1994
7.1.2P July 1994
7.5 September 1994
7.5.1 March 1995
7.5.2 June 1995
7.5.3 January 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2 May 1, 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2.1 August 7, 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2.2 August 7, 1996
7.5.5 September 27, 1996
7.6 January 7, 1997
7.6.1 April 7, 1997

8.0 July 26, 1997
8.1 January 19, 1998
8.5 October 17, 1998
8.5.1 December 7, 1998
8.6 May 10, 1999

9.0 October 23, 1999
9.0.2 February 2000
9.0.3 March 2000
9.0.4 April 4, 2000
9.1 January 9, 2001
9.2 June 18, 2001
9.2.1 August 21, 2001
9.2.2 December 5, 2001

10.0 "Cheetah" - March 24, 2001 (6 months)
10.1 "Puma" - September 25, 2001 (11 months)
10.2 "Jaguar" - August 24, 2002 (13 months)
10.3 "Panther" - October 24, 2003 (18 months)
10.4 "Tiger" - April 29, 2005 (30 months)
10.5 "Leopard" - October 26, 2007 (22 months)
10.6 "Snow Leopard" - August 28, 2009 (22 months)
10.7 "Lion" - July 20, 2011 (11 months)
10.8 "Mountain Lion" - Summer 2012
 
DavidRavenMoon said:
Um, where do you think I got that time line? I copy and pasted it from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9#Version_history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_OS_X

Plus if you can read, go back and read what I wrote in earlier posts. You are now repeating what I said earlier. They had annual OS updates until Panther. They also said they were not going to announce the releases at Mac World Expo.

Let's start at System 7. I personally started with 7.1.2.

7.0 June 1991
7.0.1 October 1991
7.0.1P March 1992
7.1 August 1992
7.1P January 1993
7.1.1 (Pro) October 1993
7.1.1 October 1993
7.1.2 March 1994
7.1.2P July 1994
7.5 September 1994
7.5.1 March 1995
7.5.2 June 1995
7.5.3 January 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2 May 1, 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2.1 August 7, 1996
7.5.3 Revision 2.2 August 7, 1996
7.5.5 September 27, 1996
7.6 January 7, 1997
7.6.1 April 7, 1997

8.0 July 26, 1997
8.1 January 19, 1998
8.5 October 17, 1998
8.5.1 December 7, 1998
8.6 May 10, 1999

9.0 October 23, 1999
9.0.2 February 2000
9.0.3 March 2000
9.0.4 April 4, 2000
9.1 January 9, 2001
9.2 June 18, 2001
9.2.1 August 21, 2001
9.2.2 December 5, 2001

10.0 "Cheetah" - March 24, 2001 (6 months)
10.1 "Puma" - September 25, 2001 (11 months)
10.2 "Jaguar" - August 24, 2002 (13 months)
10.3 "Panther" - October 24, 2003 (18 months)
10.4 "Tiger" - April 29, 2005 (30 months)
10.5 "Leopard" - October 26, 2007 (22 months)
10.6 "Snow Leopard" - August 28, 2009 (22 months)
10.7 "Lion" - July 20, 2011 (11 months)
10.8 "Mountain Lion" - Summer 2012
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Now you have the correct dates. Before you didn't.
 
Let's start at 6.0 instead:
DavidRavenMoon said:
6.0 April 1988

7.0 June 1991 (three years)
7.1 August 1992 (over a year)
7.5 September 1994 (nearly two years)
7.6 January 7, 1997 (a little over two years)

8.0 July 26, 1997 (six months)
8.1 January 19, 1998 (six months)
8.5 October 17, 1998 (nine months)
8.6 May 10, 1999 (nine months)

9.0 October 23, 1999 (five months)
9.1 January 9, 2001 (a little over a year)
9.2 June 18, 2001 (six months)

10.0 "Cheetah" - March 24, 2001
10.1 "Puma" - September 25, 2001 (6 months)
10.2 "Jaguar" - August 24, 2002 (11 months)
10.3 "Panther" - October 24, 2003 (13 months)
10.4 "Tiger" - April 29, 2005 (18 months)
10.5 "Leopard" - October 26, 2007 (30 months)
10.6 "Snow Leopard" - August 28, 2009 (22 months)
10.7 "Lion" - July 20, 2011 (22 months)
10.8 "Mountain Lion" - Summer 2012 (a year)
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"Every year" is a fallacy. It lasted from 10.1's release to 10.3's. Prior to that span, (the "Classic Mac OS" era) releases were *VERY* erratic, with no set pattern at all. And we don't count x.x.x releases, only x.x. The third-dot releases are just patches. In the OS X era, they're pure "patches", in the Classic Mac OS era, they were, by and large, releases solely to add new hardware support, with the occasional "bug fix only" patch.

And even a few of the x.x releases weren't much more than patches. 7.1 wasn't much more than "7.0 plus a few add-in software now delivered stock." Same with 8.1 over 8.0, and 8.6 over 8.5.

And if we only count PAID upgrades, the list drops further, as every 9.x was a free upgrade to 9.0 owners.

Here is the list of only paid upgrades:
6.0 April 1988
7.0 June 1991 (38 months)
7.5 September 1994 (39 months)
7.6 January 7, 1997 (28 months)
8.0 July 26, 1997 (6 months)
8.5 October 17, 1998 (15 months)
9.0 October 23, 1999 (12 months)

10.0 "Cheetah" - March 24, 2001
10.2 "Jaguar" - August 24, 2002 (17 months)
10.3 "Panther" - October 24, 2003 (13 months)
10.4 "Tiger" - April 29, 2005 (18 months)
10.5 "Leopard" - October 26, 2007 (30 months)
10.6 "Snow Leopard" - August 28, 2009 (22 months)
10.7 "Lion" - July 20, 2011 (22 months)
10.8 "Mountain Lion" - Summer 2012 (a year)
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By showing only paid upgrades, the release time stretches out considerably, with only one paid release (8.0) coming less than a year after its predecessor. (And that one is largely explained by Steve Jobs return and using the release to drive out the clone business.)
 
I'm confused. I have a "mid-2007" white macbook, model A1181. This isn't mentioned, but I'm assuming given it's prior to those that are that this won't be getting ML. It's getting pretty slow anyway tbh...
 
Lion = Big Mistake

the email program sucks big time in Lion, they could not have made it worse..I think they hired the design team from MS Windows 95 to do mail...i photo bad too.
No Disc backup for the OS...what were these microsoft workers thinking...."sink the apple" that's what.:confused:
 
wikus said:
I didn't know all mac users have a trackpad??? Or am I the only one that uses a mouse?
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You don't need a trackpad for the gestures. I use a mouse too...the new Apple one with multitouch. The Magic Mouse works great with the gestures and I no longer have pain in my wrists as a bonus. The poor ergonomics of traditional mice that require you to grip the mouse and hold your hand in a gripping motion is very bad for your wrists after prolonged use.

It's the way the Magic Mouse is designed that makes it more ergonomic to use. The flat design means you don't have to grip it. You just keep your hand mostly flat and can rest your arm on the desk/table while you use it. When making the multitouch gestures you kind of just hover over it rather than gripping it. The gripping and constant arched fingers and bent wrist when using traditional mice is what causes the carpal tunnel stress.
 
newagemac said:
You don't need a trackpad for the gestures. I use a mouse too...the new Apple one with multitouch. The Magic Mouse works great with the gestures and I no longer have pain in my wrists as a bonus. The poor ergonomics of traditional mice that require you to grip the mouse and hold your hand in a gripping motion is very bad for your wrists after prolonged use.

It's the way the Magic Mouse is designed that makes it more ergonomic to use. The flat design means you don't have to grip it. You just keep your hand mostly flat and can rest your arm on the desk/table while you use it. When making the multitouch gestures you kind of just hover over it rather than gripping it. The gripping and constant arched fingers and bent wrist when using traditional mice is what causes the carpal tunnel stress.
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Why do you consistently make assumptions? Despite owning a laptop, I don't user the trackpad and I certainly would never allow myself to be tortured by some of the worst mouses on the planet; Apple Mouses.

I have no desire to use either as they are nowhere near as good as logitech mouses. I personally use the Mx510 and Mx518.

I know for *sure* that many others feel the same as I do about the 'magic' mouse.

Having said that, you should take the time to accept that not everyone and possibly a majority of people DONT use stock apple peripherals and opt for superior third party peripherals.
 
wikus said:
Why do you consistently make assumptions? Despite owning a laptop, I don't user the trackpad and I certainly would never allow myself to be tortured by some of the worst mouses on the planet; Apple Mouses.

I have no desire to use either as they are nowhere near as good as logitech mouses. I personally use the Mx510 and Mx518.

I know for *sure* that many others feel the same as I do about the 'magic' mouse.

Having said that, you should take the time to accept that not everyone and possibly a majority of people DONT use stock apple peripherals and opt for superior third party peripherals.
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Pot, kettle. Wow.
 
wikus said:
Why do you consistently make assumptions? Despite owning a laptop, I don't user the trackpad and I certainly would never allow myself to be tortured by some of the worst mouses on the planet; Apple Mouses.

I have no desire to use either as they are nowhere near as good as logitech mouses. I personally use the Mx510 and Mx518.

I know for *sure* that many others feel the same as I do about the 'magic' mouse.

Having said that, you should take the time to accept that not everyone and possibly a majority of people DONT use stock apple peripherals and opt for superior third party peripherals.
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The simple fact that the Logitech mouses you mentioned don't have multitouch mean they are inferior in my and many other experienced users eyes. The Magic Mouse in combination with BetterTouchTool gives you almost limitless possibilities and a whole heck of a lot more power and functionality over traditional mice like the Logitech. I can literally control every function of my computer using gestures and set it up exactly how I want in BetterTouchTool with the Magic Mouse.

I never liked any of the old Apple mice but the Magic Mouse is on an entirely different level. I will never go back to a non multi-touch mouse again. And like I said, the ergonomics are simply better and that's important to me since I often work on my computer 12 hours a day for my business.

One of the best things is that there is literally no moving parts so nothing can really break and it's just a smooth glass surface so it's really easy to clean. I have had mine for a few years now and it's like I just bought it.

One of Apple's best products yet in my opinion.
 
newagemac said:
The simple fact that the Logitech mouses you mentioned don't have multitouch mean they are inferior in my and many other experienced users eyes. The Magic Mouse in combination with BetterTouchTool gives you almost limitless possibilities and a whole heck of a lot more power and functionality over traditional mice like the Logitech. I can literally control every function of my computer using gestures and set it up exactly how I want in BetterTouchTool with the Magic Mouse.

I never liked any of the old Apple mice but the Magic Mouse is on an entirely different level. I will never go back to a non multi-touch mouse again. And like I said, the ergonomics are simply better and that's important to me since I often work on my computer 12 hours a day for my business.

One of the best things is that there is literally no moving parts so nothing can really break and it's just a smooth glass surface so it's really easy to clean. I have had mine for a few years now and it's like I just bought it.

One of Apple's best products yet in my opinion.
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I'm glad that you love your Magic Mouse and that it works so well for you. In the world why I live, however, people rely on keyboards to boost their efficiency, not gestures. In my case, that's a Microsoft Natural Keyboard at work. And at home, I use a JSCO Noiseless Mouse so that I don't drive anybody nuts with the clicking noise.

To be honest, I don't even really use any magical gestures on my smartphone, only the straightforward stuff. I'm a child of the 80s and use computers like Flynn used to do it in the original Tron movie, I do not use magic wands like Harry Potter.
 
Apple Strategy

No, no , no. What Apple will do is buy Facebook. Tim Cook would move to COO and Mark Z would focus on products as the 21 st century heir to Steve Jobs. Together Apple-Facebook will be unbeatable. Mark Z is the new Steve Jobs ( whether starting in a garage or dorm room). Apple know this as Tim Cook is not a creative person - he is a dour, intelligent businessman. Apple need more than Ive who is full of self importance and cant do what Mark Z can.
 
Ray Bart said:
No, no , no. What Apple will do is buy Facebook. Tim Cook would move to COO and Mark Z would focus on products as the 21 st century heir to Steve Jobs. Together Apple-Facebook will be unbeatable. Mark Z is the new Steve Jobs ( whether starting in a garage or dorm room). Apple know this as Tim Cook is not a creative person - he is a dour, intelligent businessman. Apple need more than Ive who is full of self importance and cant do what Mark Z can.
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Mark Z doesn't know "things".... He may know how to sell demographics to advertisers, but - as far we know - he doesn't know about things you actually need to pick up.
 
newagemac said:
The simple fact that the Logitech mouses you mentioned don't have multitouch mean they are inferior in my and many other experienced users eyes. The Magic Mouse in combination with BetterTouchTool gives you almost limitless possibilities and a whole heck of a lot more power and functionality over traditional mice like the Logitech. I can literally control every function of my computer using gestures and set it up exactly how I want in BetterTouchTool with the Magic Mouse.

I never liked any of the old Apple mice but the Magic Mouse is on an entirely different level. I will never go back to a non multi-touch mouse again. And like I said, the ergonomics are simply better and that's important to me since I often work on my computer 12 hours a day for my business.

One of the best things is that there is literally no moving parts so nothing can really break and it's just a smooth glass surface so it's really easy to clean. I have had mine for a few years now and it's like I just bought it.

One of Apple's best products yet in my opinion.
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Nobody is taking away your magic mouse. Thats not even something you should be defending. I'm telling you that not everyone wants to or can use the devices from apple.

The problem that youre ignoring is that apple restricts users with features and doesnt offer a lot of workarounds/solutions. Mission Control is a prime example of how to ruin a perfectly good feature (expose) and then not allow the continued use of it UNLESS you use a trackpad or magic mouse (which, for some reason you seem to be defending?!)
 
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