OS X Snow Leopard Installation Process Changes Described?

[rcstockman25]

Windows Partition - Snow Leopard

If I upgrade to Snow Leopard, will I have to install Windows again through boot-camp or will it keep my partition?

 

[scottuf]

What is rosetta and will i need to install it?

removing rosetta support is completely asinine!!! apple and this forum will be flooded with people complaining that snow leopard broke their quicken (or whatever) and it will have to be explained to every single one of them to go and do a reinstall and go into options and check the little rosetta box. they are making the install a zillion times more complicated for the uninformed.

i guess a 10.6.1 release within days to resolve this by installing rosetta with the .1.

 

[Mal]

removing rosetta support is completely asinine!!! apple and this forum will be flooded with people complaining that snow leopard broke their quicken (or whatever) and it will have to be explained to every single one of them to go and do a reinstall and go into options and check the little rosetta box. they are making the install a zillion times more complicated for the uninformed.

i guess a 10.6.1 release within days to resolve this by installing rosetta with the .1.

Huh? Rosetta isn't gone. It's an optional install. In fact, IIRC, it's installed the first time you try to run a PPC app (dunno if it can grab it over the internet or if you'll have to pop in the SL disk, but it should prompt you), so those trying to run those apps won't even have to have a clue what's going on, as long as they can follow instructions.

jW

 

[ryuworks]

removing rosetta support is completely asinine!!! apple and this forum will be flooded with people complaining that snow leopard broke their quicken (or whatever) and it will have to be explained to every single one of them to go and do a reinstall and go into options and check the little rosetta box. they are making the install a zillion times more complicated for the uninformed.

i guess a 10.6.1 release within days to resolve this by installing rosetta with the .1.

HAHAHA... No I believe you don't need to do a reinstall to get rosetta. There will be a "install optional components/software" option when you insert your OS X disc.

Rosetta was really never meant to be a long term tech.

It cracks me up to see everytime there's news about Snow Leopard people scream and cry foul about Snow Leopard not having the ability to install on a blank drive when we don't even know if that's true.

What is true at this pt of time is;

1. The current dev release can install on blank drives

2. the 29USD Snow Leopard may, or may not check for an existing OS X 10.5 installation upon starting up the installer.

3. The 9.95 USD Up to Date discs have always required and checked for an existing installation before allowing you to run.

4. There's really not that many people who install on completely blank drives. If you have a Mac Pro with an existing OS X 10.5, it works fine even if you decide to install 10.6 on an extra drive that happens to be blank, so long you have an existing 10.5 anywhere on your system. That's goes for everyone who wants to install 10.6 on an ext FW HDD as well. And this is all if Apple does put in the installation check in the 29USD discs as well, and we DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CASE.

 

[*LTD*]

Apple made the installation process easier.

What's up with the 28 negatives??

 

[mvasilakis]

Well you must've had the bewitched versions of Mac OS X upgrade discs. They don't ask you anything, they auto-check for a previous install of Mac OS X. If it's not there (such as you installing a brand new empty drive) a message will appear saying something to the effect of, "This version of Mac OS X cannot be installed on this volume, no current installation found".
The only discs that qualified for what was referred to as an "upgrade" disc was the up-to-date discs or the drop-in discs that were placed inside boxes of new Macs that didn't come shipped with the latest OS on the drive image. If you had any of these discs and they did not perform a check for a preinstalled version of OS X then as I said earlier you had the bewitched versions.
You're certainly welcome to doubt all you want but tell us please, why do you think Apple said the $29 version was for Leopard users? If it didn't perform a check then why would Apple require you to be a Leopard user? Answer that if you will.

You are correct. I have never tried the "up to date disks" I was referring to my experiences with Apples "retail" upgrade disks. I was likewise referring to my expectations of the $39 "upgrade" disks and not the $10 "up to date" disks.

I do have the option to buy an "up to date" disk but from what you state I will opt for the full retail disk. I also wonder if the "up to date" program disk will identify Mac's that only shipped with Leopard and therefore will not require any hoops to install. For example the new MacPro's 4,1. They are only available with Leopard so why bother asking for a pre-existing system in this case. And IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE on launch date I highly recommend customers leave feedback.

And for anyone wondering feedback is taken seriously. Especially if many people ask for something. I asked for iPhone application management in iTunes about 6 months ago. Now it's rumored to be in the next release. I'm quite certain that for Apple to invest the time on this ALLOT of people made the same suggestion. So if you have to jump through hoops to install the "up to date" disks ON HARDWARE THAT ONLY SHIPPED WITH LEOPARD I would definitely leave POLITE feedback.

I am sorry if there was a misunderstanding. My "prediction" of Apples handling of the upgrade process was based purely on their handling of previous retail ($129) upgrade disks. And thanks again. I may cancel my $10 disk because I don't feel like dealing with it. If I keep the $10 disk I will wait to see what needs to be changed on the upgrade disk to make it work like a full retail and do that myself. (I did something similar with my Leopard install disk so that it did not require a reboot in order to install the system. It was convenient so that I could install onto an external drive (USB stick for emergency) without having to reboot. I probably won't need it that way (No computers running Tiger or older anyway) but its something that irks the crap out of me so I'd have to fix it.

No hard feelings.

 

[jbilgihan]

Full Install (Erase) then restore from TM

What I would like to do is do a clean (Erase/Install) and then restore relevant files from the Time Machine backup on my current Leopard Installation.

Does anyone know if this is possible? Devs?

james

 

[scottuf]

Huh? Rosetta isn't gone. It's an optional install. In fact, IIRC, it's installed the first time you try to run a PPC app (dunno if it can grab it over the internet or if you'll have to pop in the SL disk, but it should prompt you), so those trying to run those apps won't even have to have a clue what's going on, as long as they can follow instructions.

jW

ok - i meant removing it as a default. if it asks to install it the first time it runs, then i guess it wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[*LTD*]

What I would like to do is do a clean (Erase/Install) and then restore relevant files from the Time Machine backup on my current Leopard Installation.

Does anyone know if this is possible? Devs?

james

I'm sure there will be an obvious option for it, either right out in front, from a drop-down menu, etc. It isn't like previous methods of installing OS X were difficult. Just roll with it.

 

[RMo]

The $29 version can't be an "upgrade CD" if it allows you to do an erase and install...

Thus, what is the difference between the $29 disc and the $169 box set in terms of just the OS itself? I realize the latter comes with ilife and iwork but besides that what is different? How is it able to distinguish, when doing an erase and install (thus assuming it can install snow leopard on a blank hard drive), from tiger and leopard?

You misunderstood what I said: I am guessing that the "upgrade" CD would only work to do upgrades (hence the name), but it would really contain a full version. That's what would still allow and Erase & Reinstall (not to mention, avoid doing two installs!). This is how most Windows upgrade CDs work, and if you don't already have the previous version installed, inserting the previous version's install media when prompted is usually the alternative verification method.

Of course, we don't have much to compare this to with Apple, since 10.1 was the last time they did this--and I don't remember what they did then, but I'm pretty sure the upgrade CD was basically full version in disguise (with a similar verification mechanism).

 

[dmmcintyre3]

I'm about to do an erase and install of my Mac. It is so slow and I am wondering if this will speed it up.

Also doesn't Apple use erase and install for diagnostics?

Expect me gone for today

 

[ichiban06]

this should be helpful, Snow Leopard install guide from a Brazilian magazine http://alturl.com/fhkn

 

[brad.c]

this should be helpful, Snow Leopard install guide from a Brazilian magazine http://alturl.com/fhkn

FYI: That site is linked to in this thread.

 

[dfs]

Clean install

I haven't read all the 180+ posts in this string, but at the risk of maybe repeating a point already made, am I correct in thinking that if I ever have to do a clean install on my Mac I would have to 1.) make it from my original Leopard install disk, 2.) download and install the jumbo 10.5.8 updater, and then 3.) reinstall Snow Leopard? Whew, that sounds like a lot of work!

 

[ThirteenXIII]

A part of me wants it to require Leopard to be preinstalled because it's more convenient, another part of me wants it to require you to put in your included restore disc to verify if you are a Leopard or Tiger user. I would like to get rid of these hackintosh users that think they are so smug by violating eula's. The way to do that is to make every customer require to put in their included restore disc to verify being a Leopard user.

And if anyone flames me about the hackintosh crap, just remember, if you are a legit user there's no reason for you to flame me. 😉

Im wondering if you place the SnowLeopard disc in....it will check the logicboard/type of your system, if it was detects the intel cpu, version of the mac (ie; MacBookPro 17" Early 2009, etc etc) without having to insert any other discs into your system and allow you to do which ever type of installation youd like and verify the system is leopard compatible?

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Im wondering if you place the SnowLeopard disc in....it will check the logicboard/type of your system, if it was detects the intel cpu, version of the mac (ie; MacBookPro 17" Early 2009, etc etc) without having to insert any other discs into your system and allow you to do which ever type of installation youd like and verify the system is leopard compatible?

That wouldn't work for any Mac that came with Tiger and then later Leopard, like the mid-'07 Mac mini.

 

[twoodcc]

yes, i noticed this today when i installed

 

[infodriveway]

removing rosetta support is completely asinine!!! apple and this forum will be flooded with people complaining that snow leopard broke their quicken (or whatever) and it will have to be explained to every single one of them to go and do a reinstall and go into options and check the little rosetta box. they are making the install a zillion times more complicated for the uninformed.

i guess a 10.6.1 release within days to resolve this by installing rosetta with the .1.

If you don't install Rosetta initially, the very first time you run a PPC app, Software Update will download and install Rosetta. Painless.

 

[mvasilakis]

As far as the upgrade process will work its possible were thinking a bit backwards. The installer may actually look to see if Tiger is installed and then require the $169 disk. If no OS is present or Leopard is present then install = go.

I highly doubt the retail $29 disk will have an issue installing on qualifying a machine with no OS. It's not Apple to require you to install one OS and then "upgrade" to the next one. But it would make sense that if Tiger were present and a Leopard install was not found then you might have a problem.

It would also be a real moot point to add any type of verification on these things. How hard will it be for someone to offer for download a stripped down version of Leopard for copy to a USB drive that the installer will recognize as legit?

Making legit users jump thought hoops to install would be a large waste of resources. If the only reason for doing this is to prevent a $29 jump from Tiger to SL the ones who would do something like this will quickly and easily find a way. In the end the legit users pay the price.

 

[charlituna]

Huh? Rosetta isn't gone. It's an optional install. In fact, IIRC, it's installed the first time you try to run a PPC app

as I understand it, you can add Rosetta and Quicktime 7 in the options/customize screens (not sure what it will say). so if you know that you are using something like CS4 or Quicken then you can pop it on.

I highly doubt the retail $29 disk will have an issue installing on qualifying a machine with no OS. It's not Apple to require you to install one OS and then "upgrade" to the next one.

i would advise caution on using "but Apple never does it this way" as proof on anything. times have changed. after all, Apple has never offered a $29 price on a new OS before. if we go with history they should be charging $129 for a single. period. they aren't. and that they aren't could be a sign that this go around the technicals could be different also. it is possible that yes you will have to install Leopard first and then SL, every time. who knows at this point.

 

[DELLsFan]

Well, that sure cleared it up. Not. I want to be able to install SL clean, on a blank drive. It looks like that won't be very easy.