Excuse me Brad, I don't mean to be rude but I'm getting thoroughly tired of people here questioning my posts as if it's something I just made up out of thin air. Apple has done it this way for many of their upgrades. My 10.2 Jaguar uprade disc, my 10.3 Panther uprgade disc, my 10.4 Tiger upgrade disc and my 10.5 Leopard upgrade disc have ALL allowed me to do a full erase and install of Mac OS X once it checked to see that a previous version of Mac OS X was installed.
Many of you talk as if you are new Mac users, and I'm starting to suspect that you are. For some reason many of you act like Apple's never offered the option for a full reformat and install from an upgrade disc. For me, every new Mac I have bought was right before the release of the next version of Mac OS X so I do have some experience in these upgrades.
Please do not be like others on here who blatantly insult people with comments such as "My claim of fact". Did I say anything about FACT? Don't throw words in my mouth. If you think I'm wrong, then show facts of your own to prove me wrong, otherwise please keep your shrewish comments to yourself.
Sorry, Dan. It took me awhile to scroll back through time. I'm also sorry that you are feeling put upon, or at least my part in it. Let's address the phrase "claim of fact" first, shall we?
This is part of the original post that I had questioned:
Q. Are the $9.95 and $29 Snow Leopard DVD's actually "upgrade" discs only?
A. No. Both prices include a full version of Mac OS X Snow Leopard. They are called upgrades because both will only install on Macs with OS X Leopard pre-installed. Each DVD will allow you to fully erase, format and install Snow Leopard once it checks for a pre-installed version of Leopard.
Q. Why would I want to buy the boxed set?
A. The boxed set will include a DVD of Snow Leopard that does not require you to have Leopard pre-installed. In fact you can install it on an empty hard drive. Also included will be the iLife suite.
Stated as a fact. The only corroborating language I can find, from Apple or Amazon, is:
Please note, that only Apple OS X Leopard users are eligible for the Snow Leopard upgrade. Tiger & earlier OS users will need to purchase either versions of the upgraded Mac Box Set. Also, Snow Leopard will only run on intel-based Mac computers.
That only seems to imply a EULA stipulation (like single user vs Family pack); the only stated physical requirement of installation is an Intel processor. So I asked:
And right off the bat, you questioned my experience, philosophy, threw in a :rollseyes: for good measure, and failed to answer my question. Here is the quote:
How do I know? It's been that way since OS X 10.1. When did you become a Mac user? Also, I am speaking from experience, your philosophy is just wrong. If it doesn't require detectable instal of 10.5 then explain to all of us here why Apple says snow leopard upgrade is for Leopard users? How would it know unless it detected it?
Check the full quote: you stick your tongue out at somebody else who asked you the same thing I did.
Honestly, we just wanted to know how you knew there was going to be a difference between the $29 installation disk, and the one to be included in the boxed set. Further down, you say:
Please re-read my post of Q&A's. Nowhere did I say the boxed set requires a pre-installation of Leopard. I did in fact state that the upgrade discs do. Thanks.
Another claim of fact.
Here is the fact: NOBODY HERE KNOWS (arn?) what the installation will require. At least not as I'm typing this. I've read, appreciated and have taken into consideration the arguments you've presented. You should expect that, despite your venerable experience in the field, people may actually question you from time to time, particularly when you say something that demands further explanation.
Now let's talk about the concept of "proof". If you're talking about Snow Leopard, I have made no claims, only guesses, and several corroborating points. Reading my posts in the relevant threads, you know this. If you find differently, please let me know.
It looks like you are basing your guess on your experience of buying your Macs within the qualifying window, and receiving upgrade disks (for $9.95?). Those disks were not available off the shelf or to just anybody, you had to qualify to even get them, correct? As it happens I have never ordered hardware before an upgrade release, and have only received 10.1 as part of a goodwill program from my reseller. What sort of disk it was, I cannot say.
My experience is with buying retail copies, from System 7 on. With the (potentially ironic) exception of 10.1, every package was purchased from a reseller, or the Apple store, and I was never required to provide proof of previous version. Well, I want to say never, but if 10.1 is the exception, then so be it--I had OS X Server licenses for 10.0 and 10.1, and didn't run OS X in a production environment until 10.2 client.
So it seems foreign to me to pass muster via installation or disk check, at least as far as Apple is concerned. It seems foreign to you to do it any other way.
Thus the remaining problems with our "philosophies" per se, is the concept of Upgrade versus Retail, and how Apple will handle this unique situation. Class?
WE DON'T KNOW.
But we can guess.
So, regarding claims, facts, and opinions, the Shrew is through.
Peace, brother. We have back-ups to do.
